Maximising yield in a commercial grow

Bucket.. how long do u veg ur GG4 until u flower and what size pot from Veg to finish

oswizzle said:

Bucket.. how long do u veg ur GG4 until u flower and what size pot from Veg to finish

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I run two rooms, so I have a room come down every month.
Just finished a "turn" this weekend.

I take cuttings from mom (and teen clones) on the 20th of the each month. Those will go into quart size plastic pots (about 200 of em) on or about the 5th. They veg till the next turn in about 3 weeks and will be anywhere from 18 to 24 inches tall. I FIM them all to be about 16 inches, put them in 5 gal smart pots, and plunge into darkness for 24 hrs, then we're off to the races.

There is at any time, several generations in my operation.

Unrooted clones, unruly teens, young ladies and mature ladies, and hanging and curing ladies. And every 30 days or so, they all shift one space up.

Since we just did a flip, there is all five generations in there right now. Trimmers are scheduled to be here in about 5 days. I expect 25 to 30 lbs this harvest.

It is a constant and very predictable dance.

But, to answer your question short version: I veg them for about three weeks in 5 x 5 pots, then into 5 gal smart pots for 60 days.

My wife and I are the only ones working this, with a Rolodex full of professional tradesmen: electricians, plumbers, diesel mechanics, and trimmers.
It is a full time job for two old folks; but, it keeps us moving, and alive.

So they only spend 24 hours in the 5 gallons b4 u flip to flower? Whats your average yield per plant and how long are u flowering.. 8..9..10 weeks etc
Also do u defoliate at any stage

oswizzle said:

So they only spend 24 hours in the 5 gallons b4 u flip to flower? Whats your average yield per plant and how long are u flowering.. 8..9..10 weeks etc
Also do u defoliate at any stage

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Yes, I transplant and put in darkness for 24 hrs the first day.
Personally, I don't compute yield per plant because it is really not very telling. Each plant is different. One plant may yield more than the other (usually do) and since there is 144 of them in a room, I find averages to more useful.
I go by lbs per light. I want to see 2 lbs per light. Since there are 12 plants per light, that would be about 75 grams per plant? Or a little under 1 gram per watt. (I'm doing all this in my head, so, forgive rounding errors).

Each room goes down every 60 days, so I get a turn every month.

Thanks for answering my questions bro

Renfro said:

The whole genetic degradation is a myth. You can clone from clones.

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My thinking is, clone from clone at some point will succumb to environmental evolution. Will know one day. So far only 2 years on 1 strain. Want to see the differences in 5, 10...20

oswizzle said:

Also do u defoliate at any stage

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Forgot to answer this one.
I do a SCROG, so at about three or four weeks I clear everything below the netting. Everything.

If a branch doesn't reach the net ... SNIP.
A leaf? SNIP.
A bud site on the main branch? SNIP.

I want to be able to see to the other side underneath. Keep air moving thru there, and wifey can see to reach to that back fourth plant to water and feed.

If you look under the skirts of my ladies, they are clean shaven.

Madriffer said:

My thinking is, clone from clone at some point will succumb to environmental evolution. Will know one day. So far only 2 years on 1 strain. Want to see the differences in 5, 10...20

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Yea, I like to test common wisdom too ...
I have been running the same GG4 genetics for four years. Clone directly from teenage clones, and a mom that I keep fresh by growing a clone to a mom. Four years - eight crops a year ... 32 generations.
I am just now beginning to see some nanners, and one of my runs had a couple of seeds in it. (Brokers freaked out and it cost me money). I did have some heat/humidity issues during a four day power outage so that may have been the cause of that - dunno for sure.
I do know that GG4 is an unstable genetic, and does not respond well to stress. It will hermie at the drop of a hat.

But, I bought some GG4 seeds from a reputable dealer and started a new mom. Probly a good policy just for giggles.

HashBucket said:

Yea, I like to test common wisdom too ...
I have been running the same GG4 genetics for four years. Clone directly from teenage clones, and a mom that I keep fresh by growing a clone to a mom. Four years - eight crops a year ... 32 generations.
I am just now beginning to see some nanners, and one of my runs had a couple of seeds in it. (Brokers freaked out and it cost me money). I did have some heat/humidity issues during a four day power outage so that may have been the cause of that - dunno for sure.
I do know that GG4 is an unstable genetic, and does not respond well to stress. It will hermie at the drop of a hat.

But, I bought some GG4 seeds from a reputable dealer and started a new mom. Probly a good policy just for giggles.

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I have the original #4 breeder cut and it's still going strong.

I'm not suggesting degradation, yet rather adaptation to its environment. In other words, will my original #4 be identical to Renfros in 5 years? Or will they adapt to and respond differently in their respective environments.

Madriffer said:

I'm not suggesting degradation, yet rather adaptation to its environment. In other words, will my original #4 be identical to Renfros in 5 years? Or will they adapt to and respond differently in their respective environments.

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I’m growing royal gorilla now I’m hoping it’s as good as original GG and I can find a high thc high yielder amongst the beans. Can’t get a gg4 clone or decent seed where I am

Never considered adaption sounds possible but do plants adapt to their environment over time or are you talking about Darwinism which requires breeding?

SamWE19 said:

I don’t have any problems or deficiencies growing with seeds. I wouldn’t want to switch to clones on the basis that they are “easier” to grow.. renting isn’t possible atm.

I’m interested in how clones will produce higher yield than seeds though based on profit per year not per harvest or plant in this instance though.

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If ur doing a sog from seed it would be the first i saw.

SamWE19 said:

Interested in your opinions.

I have only limited space starting my business in a loft since it’s gone legal. Don’t have any more space.

It’s all been insulated etc.

I currently have a vertical system setup on the larger section of the loft with 90 plants with 1ft2 per plant. And a tiny dwc setup on the other side with 1/4sqft2 per plant.

My initial thought was to try and keep plants as single colas, cram 90 in the small area first and 12/12 from seed. Let them start to bud and then move them for the final 5-6 weeks into the larger area.

Got another 6 weeks to go to see how the yield turns out doing it this way but wonder if anyone has any better ideas for quicker turn arounds or increasing yield when space is limited.

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How many days until u harvest a plant 12/12 from seed? Just curious. I thought it would take at least 3 months. If thats the case u save at least 1 month per cycle. Growing 90 plants in a loft would seem uncomfortable. Unless its a big ass loft

bdt1981 said:

If ur doing a sog from seed it would be the first i saw.

How many days until u harvest a plant 12/12 from seed? Just curious. I thought it would take at least 3 months. If thats the case u save at least 1 month per cycle. Growing 90 plants in a loft would seem uncomfortable. Unless its a big ass loft

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It’s a big loft but yeah it’s tight.

Going with clones soon. Going to take my first round of clones in a week or so then pick a keeper

SamWE19 said:

It’s a big loft but yeah it’s tight.

Going with clones soon. Going to take my first round of clones in a week or so then pick a keeper

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You know what though. I switched my nute line this grow round from start to finish and I can see a massive difference in the plants yeah I’ve only ever done seeds. But I had 100 skunk XL seeds last run and I’m doing 100 skunk XL seeds again this run and every single plant out of 100 looks way way better than before.

I never bought much into nute hype before but obviously the ratios in ionic bloom were crap. Veg+bloom powdered base atm and I’ve never seen so many crystals on small buds... only about 2 weeks in bloom .

HashBucket said:

Yes, I transplant and put in darkness for 24 hrs the first day.
Personally, I don't compute yield per plant because it is really not very telling. Each plant is different. One plant may yield more than the other (usually do) and since there is 144 of them in a room, I find averages to more useful.
I go by lbs per light. I want to see 2 lbs per light. Since there are 12 plants per light, that would be about 75 grams per plant? Or a little under 1 gram per watt. (I'm doing all this in my head, so, forgive rounding errors).

Each room goes down every 60 days, so I get a turn every month.

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PS:
Trimmers just left and I have a final count on the last turn.
12 lights --- 31.3 lbs
VERY nice harvest. 2.58 lbs per light.

If you want or need help, commercial help, get off the forum... no offense to Rollitup but i doubt many people here operate industrial grows putting out a quality product at an afforbale price for their market and that are profitable and at lowest possibles cost...


If you want help DM me

lol ya dont ask for help/advice on a public forum with many outstanding growers, instead pm some random dude on the same forum lol

Sorry but i found that funny lol

diggs99 said:

lol ya dont ask for help/advice on a public forum with many outstanding growers, instead pm some random dude on the same forum lol

Sorry but i found that funny lol

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Makes sense ... why confuse yourself with a bunch of FACTS,

SamWE19 said:

Nah mate. They have immediately started growing entirely upwards into the plants above. I will start a proper journal when I get my next batch in with a proper net.

I have come to the conclusion I need individual plant cages as a single net will limit my access.

I’m not sure how I will attach a diy plant cage to those vertical pipes yet. If anyone has any ideas I’m all ears.

I’m considering small pvc pipe with a frame/net attached to each pipe.. just not sure how they will mount to the vertical pipes yet

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Maybe a few pics to entertain us?

HashBucket said:

I have to stick to GG4

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Thats a killer cut. Did you get the clone only gg4 real deal? I love mine.