McShnutz's Muts [No-Till/ water only]

Budz.Bunny said:

What's your plans with the LAB ?

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I'll be fermenting aloe and SST of varying seeds to make biostimulants tailored to each phase of growth.
Also after I've finished cultivating blue-green algae (spirulina), I want to play around with fermenting it for its high N value and the plethora of other benefits.
Ultimately the end goal is just to restock all my fermented extracts I use.

I don't use pesticides, fertilizer salts, or bottled nutrient of any kind. I solely dependent on sustainable farming or KNF methods. It's alot of work, but I feel the end results are superb.

McShnutz said:

I'll be fermenting aloe and SST of varying seeds to make biostimulants tailored to each phase of growth.
Also after I've finished cultivating blue-green algae (spirulina), I want to play around with fermenting it for its high N value and the plethora of other benefits.
Ultimately the end goal is just to restock all my fermented extracts I use.

I don't use pesticides, fertilizer salts, or bottled nutrient of any kind. I solely dependent on sustainable farming or KNF methods. It's alot of work, but I feel the end results are superb.

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I went fully organic and I've been looking into LABS I also been reading alot on DIY bokashi but I forgot you can use LABS to make fermented plant extracts (one step at a time lol)...I have the rice just need some milk but could i use LABS to ferment the corn being used for the SST like we talked about earlier?

Budz.Bunny said:

I went fully organic and I've been looking into LABS I also been reading alot on DIY bokashi but I forgot you can use LABS to make fermented plant extracts (one step at a time lol)...I have the rice just need some milk but could i use LABS to ferment the corn being used for the SST like we talked about earlier?

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Yes absolutely, you can ferment any SST. I like to make them individually and then mix up different extract to favor whatever growth stage I'm in.

Barley is great for seedling because it promotes a massive root structure.
Alfalfa for the veg. Corn and mung for flower.
If you use a 50/50 durring the 2 week transition to flower, you get really nice stacking and it helps control stretch. Basically I treat any biostimulant just like you would with veg or bloom nutrients. Tapper down one, while gradually increasing the other.

Day 40 of 12/12
Day 26 of true flower

Quick update, flowers have doubled in girth in the 3rd week. Approaching week 4 and already outer branches are sagging from the weight, and the middle top really rock back n forth in the breeze. Time to break out the bamboo poles and yo-yo's. Next run I'll definitely have her in a scrog, that's the intended style she was bred for.






Clones took nicely. F1s are nice and green, S1 isn't getting the light she needs and from the bigger plant leaning over on her.



Deathstarx alien tec Seedlings are chugging slowly. Meh- F1s

So I ordered these widemouth fermenting/curing lids the other day. I don't cure in jars, I prefer to use my C-vaults. BUT............
I'm thinking these would be great for Aloe/SST ferments. They have a one-way button valve to prevent pressure building inside the jars. Came with a little pump to pull out the o2 and have month/Day markers.

Day 32 of true flower

Night shots

Clones are chugging along. Gonna hit everyone with some fresh corn SST today.
I'm hoping the clones kick it in high gear but I know they didn't have any time either to develop a larger root mass. They clearly found the goodies tho in ground. The clone in the pot you might ask, clear comparison to her counterparts as to why a larger volume of soil is better with organics.

Following. Nice clear journal. Beautiful plants.

Corn SST has been fermenting for 3 days now. I think it's done. It formed a cap and then settled back down. Very minimal bubbles so im thinking its done already.

It's time to harvest some Aloe.
I want to make divisions of the pups and repot them. No way possible to do that without damaging the mothers. So sensibly, I'll make an Aloe ferment.


Again, I'm using my 1 gallon fermentation vessel. I added a splash of LAB serum. Not necessary but helpful. The Aloe leaf has a ton of bacteria already on it, even LAB. Under the right conditions LAB proliferate and create an inhospitable environment for other microbes. Adding LAB is my way of ensuring a quick start to creating those conditions that are favored for fermentation.


I don't weight out my Aloe. Approximately 1 gallon of diced Aloe, topped off with 2lbs of Turbinado sugar. Then I press and pack it all down tight. Helps to remove some oxygen and reduce the natural oxidation of Aloe when it comes in contact with air.


I like to use a heat mat, you don't have to. Things speed up with gentle heat. This aids in reducing potential contamination.


Here is what I have left. A rough chop and then adding it to the compost tumbler.


Looks like I still have my work cut out for me.

Looks really nice, like I said in the other thread Ive had a hard time with my organic coco using liquid nutes (bio bizz). I might have to try your method with mixing in the true living type amendments. Would be awesome if you would share your full recipie with amounts added. Do you pH the water or just let the soil take care of all that too? And do you end up having to topdress or feed teas towards the middle/end of the cycle?

jaked3800 said:

Looks really nice, like I said in the other thread Ive had a hard time with my organic coco using liquid nutes (bio bizz). I might have to try your method with mixing in the true living type amendments. Would be awesome if you would share your full recipie with amounts added. Do you pH the water or just let the soil take care of all that too? And do you end up having to topdress or feed teas towards the middle/end of the cycle?

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It would be difficult to give my exact recipe as my soil has been re-fortified many times, either by tilling or top dressing.

Follow a general guideline of 2 cups /cuft for NPK ammendments. 4 cups/ cuft of rock dust
1/2 cup/ cuft of epson salts
1/2 cup/ cuft oyster flour
Obviously use common sense on which paticular ammendment and its NPK value before you go throwing in 2 cups of everything/ anything. Choose ammendments that when combined will have a broad spectrum of needed elements.
I put little pockets of veggie/fruit scraps under my mulch for worms. Occasionally I'll use teas and fermented extracts to top water. But the way I address nutrient management is not as simple as top dressing with compost. Not saying you can't or it won't be as beneficial. It's just the way I do things.

I'll give tea anytime, even if it's just ewc and molasses.

McShnutz said:

It would be difficult to give my exact recipe as my soil has been re-fortified many times, either by tilling or top dressing.

Follow a general guideline of 2 cups /cuft for NPK ammendments. 4 cups/ cuft of rock dust
1/2 cup/ cuft of epson salts
1/2 cup/ cuft oyster flour
Obviously use common sense on which paticular ammendment and its NPK value before you go throwing in 2 cups of everything/ anything. Choose ammendments that when combined will have a broad spectrum of needed elements.
I put little pockets of veggie/fruit scraps under my mulch for worms. Occasionally I'll use teas and fermented extracts to top water. But the way I address nutrient management is not as simple as top dressing with compost. Not saying you can't or it won't be as beneficial. It's just the way I do things.

I'll give tea anytime, even if it's just ewc and molasses.

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Awesome, Im def going to do some research try to get back into the coco whith this method. I dont know why but for some reason im drawn to the medium. It just seems cleaner, dosent get to wet, and easy to water. Appreciate the info!

jaked3800 said:

Awesome, Im def going to do some research try to get back into the coco whith this method. I dont know why but for some reason im drawn to the medium. It just seems cleaner, dosent get to wet, and easy to water. Appreciate the info!

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If you have any questions on the do and don't, do not hesitate shooting me a message. I'm happy to work with you and help formulate a complete recipe when your ready.

Day 49 of 12/12
Day 44 of true flower.

Some of the fans look beat up. I've been playing with hydrostatic soil pressures, light intensity and temps to evaluate stress triggers & tolerances. No bananas on the S1, F1 has 2 just starting in the first pic. Top of the cola. But the F1 is not a keeper in my opinion anyways, despite the bananas. But to be fair, im intentionally stressing, so the F1 is still a decent pheno and a generous yielder. I have a lot of seed to go through yet of my mendo x banana wifi batch. I'm sure I'll stumble upon something else that's similar.

Not much to say. Plants are still doing their thing. F1 is a longer flowering pheno, and the bud structure is closer to the mendo side. She is still 90% white pistils, and growing.
I'll be plucking out the couple naners with tweezers.



S1 is approaching the ripening stage. About 90% orange pistils. Flower structure is very kush like, like the banana wifi but has a resemblance of mendo in regards to the calyx structure and accentuation. A bit more resin production too.



So far I'm pretty satisfied with this grow. It's hard to appreciate just how much bud I actually have here. If I had to guesstimate on yield of the center 2 plants, ... 1 - 1.5lbs dry. Maybe more. Flowers are rock hard, even the shit inside the canopy, tho its hard to see with all those leaves.

Quite impressed buddy love the level of input here that’s a lot of amendments to adjust at the end how day keep up with that llol
I just had ph fuckup due to carbonate in water as my ro filter had got too old lol messed my head so much showed mg def and wasn’t

this is quite informative love the use ofteas I need to get brewing again I dropped off when thecouldn’t figure out the ph swing in case they did itread about them altering phs lol

McShnutz said:

Yes absolutely, you can ferment any SST. I like to make them individually and then mix up different extract to favor whatever growth stage I'm in.

Barley is great for seedling because it promotes a massive root structure.
Alfalfa for the veg. Corn and mung for flower.
If you use a 50/50 durring the 2 week transition to flower, you get really nice stacking and it helps control stretch. Basically I treat any biostimulant just like you would with veg or bloom nutrients. Tapper down one, while gradually increasing the other.

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Man I shout this and get called an idiot lol had a debate on here about different seed teas having different effects like I use corn and mung for intermodal stacking haha
I was told there all the same and I was stupid lol I gave all links to it and he persisted to say they all have the same enzymes haha

I feel a good follow here my mind isn’t very literate typing but damn you seem to have read everything I have lol respect as can’t wait to see what happens here
I stopped most of what u do due to peeps saying it was my problems I had now I know it was tap water carbonates I can get back into flow you ain’t coot hiding are ya ? Lol

2cent said:

Quite impressed buddy love the level of input here that’s a lot of amendments to adjust at the end how day keep up with that llol
I just had ph fuckup due to carbonate in water as my ro filter had got too old lol messed my head so much showed mg def and wasn’t

this is quite informative love the use ofteas I need to get brewing again I dropped off when thecouldn’t figure out the ph swing in case they did itread about them altering phs lol

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I just replaced all my membranes and filters too.

Thanks for the kind words. The amendments are variable. It's just a little bit of what's all in the mix from its virgin days. I use what I have at the time. I make all my own compost so that's what all the good good goes into, amendment wise.

2cent said:

Man I shout this and get called an idiot lol had a debate on here about different seed teas having different effects like I use corn and mung for intermodal stacking haha
I was told there all the same and I was stupid lol I gave all links to it and he persisted to say they all have the same enzymes haha

I feel a good follow here my mind isn’t very literate typing but damn you seem to have read everything I have lol respect as can’t wait to see what happens here
I stopped most of what u do due to peeps saying it was my problems I had now I know it was tap water carbonates I can get back into flow you ain’t coot hiding are ya ? Lol

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Nobody's going to dictate what I do in my own garden. Don't let anyone tell you how to grow.

Nope no coots

McShnutz said:

Nobody's going to dictate what I do in my own garden. Don't let anyone tell you how to grow.

Nope no coots

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Nice man
How do you use half a cup of Epsom salts wow isn’t that Gona burn like I guess my mg comes kelp and compost but not seen a notill add any Epsom realy

I got mg def from soil ph sorted now like but I sprayed a gram Epsom ina little and the hooked up on me instantly I had to wash em off lol

citric acid restored what my ro filter damage did didn’t know it was that old the ppm was 280 carbonates I’m sure I got enoughca atm if not too much so I won’t add any crab this time but will add grass for the chitin but I don’t want more lime effect atm
Got a liquid ca from eggshell if I see any spots

mines just stretched so I know my deficiency isgoing off week 2 flower they was halted in growth

Going to have a look at your posts a bit more cause I am like the illiterate version of you the farmer that grunts and no one can understand, but I do what I know and know what I do lol

how big is that grow bed there
Ya not thought to make ur own leds I hit 2gpw with my own Beating my hlg grow ? Saw u had led problems at one point

2cent said:

Nice man
How do you use half a cup of Epsom salts wow isn’t that Gona burn like I guess my mg comes kelp and compost but not seen a notill add any Epsom realy

I got mg def from soil ph sorted now like but I sprayed a gram Epsom ina little and the hooked up on me instantly I had to wash em off lol

citric acid restored what my ro filter damage did didn’t know it was that old the ppm was 280 carbonates I’m sure I got enoughca atm if not too much so I won’t add any crab this time but will add grass for the chitin but I don’t want more lime effect atm
Got a liquid ca from eggshell if I see any spots

mines just stretched so I know my deficiency isgoing off week 2 flower they was halted in growth

Going to have a look at your posts a bit more cause I am like the illiterate version of you the farmer that grunts and no one can understand, but I do what I know and know what I do lol

how big is that grow bed there
Ya not thought to make ur own leds I hit 2gpw with my own Beating my hlg grow ? Saw u had led problems at one point

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Insect frass is ideal for chitin and a little N. I use shrimp, crab, crayfish and lobster dry ammendments in my soil and compost. Justbdepends on what I have accumulated on hand. I did ferment some raw shrimps shells in the past for a liquid chitin. That was back when I ran 20gallon fabric pots. I had alot of leechate so I burned through the liquid chitin. Since I went with the 4x8 bed I use little of any liquid ferment. Shit seems to stay in the bed. I never have runoff. Amino acids, fulvic acid, SST and aloe are really all I add, and not very often. Occasionally some addittional sulfur in the form of epson salts.

1/2 cup / 1.5 cuft seems to do the trick. It may be a bit heavy but that was back when I first formulated the soil. I add a very little bit to any AACT I bree. Seems to help get the foam quickly.

Some strains have more noticeable growth spurts in flower where it seems like they stalled or slowed down, but then boom they throw more flowers.
I've grown other strains that don't seem to have spurts, they just go full speed. If they look healthy and the leaves are nice I let it slide and wait to see what they do. Less is more with organics and you can always add more if need be. Once it's in the soil tho, that's not so easy to fix. But i tend to grow heavy feeders so if I do get a sensitive one, I'll just let it burn and get what I can from it. It's virtually impossible to care for individual plants in a bed. They all get the same.

I've been playing with the idea of making my own lights. I am pretty handy and I have all the tools already and a work shop with alot of equipment. Fabricating the frame and assembly of components would be very convenient for me. You got any suggestions on a parts list and sourcing.