Medi legalization in AZ

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$toned che$$

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So when do you think it'll happen? The federal government under the Obama administration is already suing the state of AZ for harsh Mexican immigration laws, so why don't we just rebel? :-D Lol

Seriously though, I don't think (but I fervently hope) it will happen this time around. There are too many Sheriff Joe Arpio supporters, AKA ancient conservative republicans, most of which will die off in the next 5-7 years. That's when I think it will pass. Too many of us youngsters & whippersnappers smoke for the old nay-sayers to keep us down for long xD

Discussion/opinions from other AZ dwellers?
 
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Yea, too many damn conservatives/Reefer Madness-era people who have been brainwashed against herb. You're probably right, but hope is hard to kill.

There are countless smokers & the prop will be on the ballot this year. It's getting quite a bit of buzz. I'll be really suprised if it passes this year and even more suprised if it doesn't pass within the next 10 years
 
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Your going off of the political history of the state which is obviously conservative but I think it will pass and it won't be close just like the other 2 times it passed in 1996 and 1998 but was repealed by the legislature because of the language. The people of Arizona do want Medical Marijuana and the most recent poll showed it winning 54% to 32% opposed. It will win....mark my words.
 
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Damn, I hope you're right. It also looks like you've put more thought/research into it than I have, kudos on that front. All I know is I'm definitely hitting up the polls on this one
 
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I definitely am in the know about what is going on over there. I have family in Chandler, Mesa, and Apache Junction area and I was a resident for my first 21 years myself. This proposition will get more attention than any other proposition on the ballot. The state media covers this pretty favorably and the executive director of Arizona's Marijuana Policy Project wrote a decent bill filled with many loopholes. The only thing that I would like to change is allow any patient to grow, not just the patients that live 25 miles outside a dispensary. We gain a dispensary for every 10 pharmacies that pop up in the valley so more than likely there won't be a place in Metro Maricopa that isn't 25 miles or more from a dispensary. I definitely am not in favor of paying $20 a gram for top shelf herb when I could grow it in bulk myself for $150 a pound. I am curious what the prices at the dispensaries are going to be considering that they are required to be non-profit.

We passed MMJ initiatives in 1996 with California and 1998 with Oregon but the language included the word "prescription" instead of "recommendation", so it was repealed by the state legislature because it failed to protect doctors and patients. This initiative is pretty much a model from Colorado and Michigan only it fixes a couple of issues with both of those systems. People in this state are definitely more receptive to MMJ than they were in 96 and 98 despite the ultra conservative legislature. It will pass!!! So light up and be merry!! :-o
 
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No way, your family lives in the same area as me & some of my family, aka mesa, chandler, gilbert, etc. What a trip

Oh don't get me wrong dude, I can find freelance-grown chron from any one of like 50 friends for half the price of the medi shit (even though it's usually not quite the grade you get from dispensaries). If the law passes, all that will change for me is the fact that I'll have a medi card and be able to grow with minimal risks, probably smoke most of it & sell the rest at a hook up price to eager buyers. What are the specifications in cali, no more than 8 plants per medi card holder? I could make that work :-P

Hmm, so by prescribing marijuana rather than recommending, you break your own laws as a government. That seems redundant, because the government oversees the dispensaries & taxes the hell out of them anyway. Lawmakers are hypocrites
 
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$toned che$$ said:
No way, your family lives in the same area as me & some of my family, aka mesa, chandler, gilbert, etc. What a trip

Oh don't get me wrong dude, I can find freelance-grown chron from any one of like 50 friends for half the price of the medi shit (even though it's usually not quite the grade you get from dispensaries). If the law passes, all that will change for me is the fact that I'll have a medi card and be able to grow with minimal risks, probably smoke most of it & sell the rest at a hook up price to eager buyers. What are the specifications in cali, no more than 8 plants per medi card holder? I could make that work :-P

Hmm, so by prescribing marijuana rather than recommending, you break your own laws as a government. That seems redundant, because the government oversees the dispensaries & taxes the hell out of them anyway. Lawmakers are hypocrites
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Remember...you can only grow if you are 25 miles away from a dispensary. Since you said you are in the East Valley I doubt you are going to be 25 miles away from your local dispensary. As far as Cali's specifications...it varies to what your doctor limits but typically 6-12 plants is what is allowed. As far as the political language...the government plays off of words all the time. By prescribing...you might have the possibility of insurance claims while recommending is technically only a suggestion and more than likely will never be covered by health insurance. Not that I think it would anyways because of its current schedule 1 status with the Controlled Substances Act.
 
docsativa

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I voted yes PROP 203 . Im tired of not being able to smoke bcuz of the law. When its legal ill have a legit reason. I have a feeling its going to pass. Thats whats up you guys. Mesa, Tempe, Scottsdale, Phoenix metropolitan. Very near me =)
 
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My friend did some work in the polls, she says that last she knew, Maricopa county was 49.5% in favor, 50.5% not in favor. She said almost all of the Maricopa ballots had been counted (and I think only Maricopa is voting on this one). In short, it's a close race but we probably won't know the final outcome for 3 weeks or more. Stupid slow ass system
 
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That sucks, how the MMJ bill for Arizona is written, only being able to grow if you live 25 miles or more from a dispensary. It's in the news how votes are still being counted because its so close. I don't put much faith in the computerized voting machines and the people who run them, the DIEBOLD scandal shows how the establishment can still crush winning votes.I wish everything was done the old paper punch card way.

But anyway, the Arizona MMJ bill is too strict. The New Jersey MMJ bill has to be the worst... no MMJ patient can have a home grow PERIOD. If a person has the MMJ recommendation then that person should be able to grow. I grow my own MMJ in Colorado, and if the state here ever banned home growing to force all MMJ people to buy it from a dispensary ... I know for certain that I wouldn't be the only one who ignored it and kept on growing. If a state has a MMJ bill lawfully allowing the use for those with MMJ recommendations, then they should also allow those same MMJ users to cultivate their own if the MMJ user chooses to.

Growing your own is SO MUCH CHEAPER.It takes only pennies on the dollar to grow, after you make your initial investment in a ballast,reflector,inline fan and a few odds n' ends. A lot of people just can't afford to buy the amount of herb they need at dispensary rates.As one of the posters above said about "recommending" and "prescribing" , and insurance coverage , even if the Feds rescheduled to CLASS II ... the insurance companies still would never pay for MMJ. I've known quite a few chronic back pain sufferers like myself that I would talk to inside the pain clinic I went to for 6 years on how many insurance companies wouldn't cover certain pain medicines like Oxycontin and even for other pain meds that they would cover...they would only pay for so much, for so long out of the year, that after the "doughnut hole" as the insurance companies call it ran out, if the pain clinic person continued taking the pills it would have to come out of their own pocket.

MMJ is just going to be one of those things that medical insurance won't cover, they already balk at having to cover opiate pain medicine, I just don't see coverage ever happening for MMJ.

I bet there will be MANY MANY MMJ people in Arizona that won't abide by the bullshit 25 mile rule and grow anyway, and I say "more power to you". Some will get found out, they'll be court fights, public out-crys about jailing MMJ users who grow their own on some technicality about being inside some freakin 25 mile radius mark, then Arizona MMJ users will be left alone. Watch it happen, if that Arizona MMJ bill goes through as it is, MMJ people are going to grow regardless of that 25 mile from the dispensary rule, public sympathy and outrage over MMJ users getting jailed over growing their own on a technicality will get that changed.

New Jersey folks, they have it worse than any other MMJ state. Besides a MMJ person not being allowed to grow, New Jersey says the grow center can't have MMJ that's too potent, imagine that bullshit, if the THC level is over a certain limit, it must be destroyed. WTF ? That's the whole purpose behind MMJ , to have a potent natural medicine for ailments. The higher the THC , the better the relief. >

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/10/nj_health_official_says_medica.html
 
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Gloooory gloooory haleluuja

If y'all haven't heard or dnt live in AZ, we WON BY 4,300 VOTES!

Check it my fellow supporters http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/11/15/2010-11-15_proposition_203_to_legalize_medical_marijuana_in_arizona_passes_with_narrow_vict.html

The change of laws won't go into effect for about a year, but I hope you're all with me when I say "Hell yea, we're finally stickin it to the man. He don't own the goddam desert". Or maybe a catchier slogan would be better
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Hey friend...the law takes effect on November 29th. AZ Department of Health has 120 days to implement the program. Dispensary and Med Card approvals won't happen until March and first medicine won't be distributed until summer of 2011. We might be permitted to grow once our cards are issued since you technically couldn't buy from your local dispensary until it is up and running. After that...the 25 mile rule applies. Im telling you that if I am ever permitted to grow....I will always grow and I am sure everyone will as well who has a desire to do the same.
 
docsativa

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We are alllowed to pre-register. If you really have a problem it needs to be in your medical records, and your Dr. has to write you a recommendation. But dispensaries should be open by April, I think it said people will be allowed to have 6-12 plants until then.
 
Sr. Verde

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docsativa said:
We are alllowed to pre-register. If you really have a problem it needs to be in your medical records, and your Dr. has to write you a recommendation. But dispensaries should be open by April, I think it said people will be allowed to have 6-12 plants until then.
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Do you know where to find out a list of the defined ailments that make you qualified for MMJ in AZ?

I think the bill basically said that the state can add more illnesses in the future as research continues to conclude that it helps certain other illnesses.

Pretty dumb I think, I like how CA did it but eh. I guess AZ is just trying to get it to the people who REALLY need it (with cancer, aids, glaucoma, multiple sclerosis etc.)

I'm glad that the people that REALLY need it have MMJ as an option in AZ regardless of ability to grow or whatever. At least they have legal access to such a wondrous plant.


But what is to stop someone from getting a cheap residence 25mi from a dispensary so they could grow? Yeah it would suck but it could be cheaper than buying from dispensaries.. also I would assume some/most people would move a little on the side and that would be enough to pay some cheap rent yeah?
 
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Sr. Verde said:
Do you know where to find out a list of the defined ailments that make you qualified for MMJ in AZ?

I think the bill basically said that the state can add more illnesses in the future as research continues to conclude that it helps certain other illnesses.

Pretty dumb I think, I like how CA did it but eh. I guess AZ is just trying to get it to the people who REALLY need it (with cancer, aids, glaucoma, multiple sclerosis etc.)

I'm glad that the people that REALLY need it have MMJ as an option in AZ regardless of ability to grow or whatever. At least they have legal access to such a wondrous plant.


But what is to stop someone from getting a cheap residence 25mi from a dispensary so they could grow? Yeah it would suck but it could be cheaper than buying from dispensaries.. also I would assume some/most people would move a little on the side and that would be enough to pay some cheap rent yeah?
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What is stopping anyone from moving to a residence 25mi from a dispensary so they could cultivate? Technically speaking....nothing...but you have to remember while the total number of dispensaries is currently capped at 124...you have to take into consideration that for every 10 pharmacies that open, the state is eligible for another dispensary. In 2010...the state opened 55 pharmacies. So I would imagine we would gain around 5-6 dispensaries every year. If you live in populated Maricopa county...I would imagine it would be hard to find a residence that doesn't have a dispensary within 25 miles.

I would imagine that if you are permitted to grow and than a dispensary opens near your home you would be allowed to harvest your current home grow and thereafter would have to purchase from a dispensary. Take zoning into mind...most of these dispensaries are going to be located in Chandler, Gilbert, Mesa, Tempe, Scottsdale, Phoenix, and the west valley. Anyone who lives in Northern and Southern Arizona is going to have the most flexibility when it comes to home growing.
 
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Thats Not cool I hope they let us grow anyways here in Phoenix! Its really stupid if we wont be allowed to grow and forced to buy or become a dispenser
 
Sr. Verde

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USNDEVIL said:
What is stopping anyone from moving to a residence 25mi from a dispensary so they could cultivate? Technically speaking....nothing...but you have to remember while the total number of dispensaries is currently capped at 124...you have to take into consideration that for every 10 pharmacies that open, the state is eligible for another dispensary. In 2010...the state opened 55 pharmacies. So I would imagine we would gain around 5-6 dispensaries every year. If you live in populated Maricopa county...I would imagine it would be hard to find a residence that doesn't have a dispensary within 25 miles.

I would imagine that if you are permitted to grow and than a dispensary opens near your home you would be allowed to harvest your current home grow and thereafter would have to purchase from a dispensary. Take zoning into mind...most of these dispensaries are going to be located in Chandler, Gilbert, Mesa, Tempe, Scottsdale, Phoenix, and the west valley. Anyone who lives in Northern and Southern Arizona is going to have the most flexibility when it comes to home growing.
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Yeah that's logical. Kind of what I was thinking in the back of my mind.

Damn though.. people have to move across the damn state to grow huh?
 
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