Medical-2000W--sealed room-CO2-Ebb & Flo-PK,Mango,Papaya, Orange Crush Deisel

Bro that is fucking forest going on there, just beautiful man. They grew extremely fast in the last few days.

Damn dude the CO2 is gonna kick things up a notch. I am super stoked that you are thinking about trying out some more mediums, that is awesome, you know I am all for experiment. There is no question that you will kickass regardless of the medium but it will be really interesting to see a terrific grower like you compare the differences between the different mediums. Not pushing you or anything but since you have two rezzys it would be sick to pick some other well respected nutes and test them out in one of the rez.

do you know the measurements or your hoods?

bender420 said:

Bro that is fucking forest going on there, just beautiful man. They grew extremely fast in the last few days.

Damn dude the CO2 is gonna kick things up a notch. I am super stoked that you are thinking about trying out some more mediums, that is awesome, you know I am all for experiment. There is no question that you will kickass regardless of the medium but it will be really interesting to see a terrific grower like you compare the differences between the different mediums. Not pushing you or anything but since you have two rezzys it would be sick to pick some other well respected nutes and test them out in one of the rez.

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Ya there is no doubt that they are growing faster than I have ever experienced. I agree, the nute experiment would be cool. I think though I would have to run the same strain. I want to run two strains, one in each tray unless ofcourse I find two strains like the papaya and mango that grow identically so I can run them in the same tray. I am excited to see how the ocd turns out, because it looks vigorious now. I think I am like you and if I had the perfect strain, it would be easy to run two trays full. However, trying to find that perfect strain may be a life long journey. lol

rzza said:

do you know the measurements or your hoods?

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The largest reflectors in the industry. Reflector dimensions: 38½ in. Long x 29½ in. Wide x 9½ in. Tall
I also use light spreaders. I didn't use my light mover, but will be using it next run as well. The movers aren't necessary with the ochos and spreaders, but I think it is always good to have the lights move back and forth a few inches to get better light penetration.

nothing wrong with always looking for something better. I guess at least from time to time, may be every few round introduce new genetics, pic the keepers and then run them for a bit. LOL that is exactly what both of us are doing already.

Bro the Casey is getting some serious competition from all three of the other strains. The way GFH grow is the most appealing to me, I do want to pick the cuts already for next round so I could start vegging. So I might have to go just based on the looks here. GFH and G Rom are my number 1 and two at the moment. I just posted some pics, take a look and tell me which two look like keepers, I know pictures ain't much but your input would be valuable. GR and GFH are also have some serious fruit spicy nutty smell.

interesting..... hmmm..... I would trim the bottom leaves on the heavy stretchers a little bit more.... that's where the auxin's are really building up on you

TLD, auxins is a new one for me. So do you mean all foliage or just fans? I have removed everything under the screen on the tall tray. You think I should take more off. They are stretching like crazy and I have noticed the internode spacing is finally getting closer now on the mango and papaya (the stretchers)

looks good raider! all i will say is i noticed in the pics the leaves at the bottom are all drooped, dunno if thats what hes gettin at or not

as for stretching, is it your first time running the strains? has the PK stretched more than usual?

HookedOnChronic said:

looks good raider! all i will say is i noticed in the pics the leaves at the bottom are all drooped, dunno if thats what hes gettin at or not

as for stretching, is it your first time running the strains? has the PK stretched more than usual?

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I know, I have been taking off bottom leaves everyday. A couple of the pk that are next to the ocd have stretched much more than ever before. I think the reason they stretched so much is because they were too crowded. I took off a large garbage bag full of branches tonight..took me a while. It was a fucked night all the way around. I was filling a res and trimming and didn't notice it was full until it was over flowing all over the floor. Fortunatley the pond liner on the floor made it easy to clean up with the shop vac. I found a damn king snake wedged under my door trying to get in tonight. He had managed to get under the tape, but couldn't get throught the velcro holding on the plastic plastic zipper door. Anyway, I was going to throw him outside, but he wasn't very friendly so he didin't make it. Crazy night for sure. I added the Yellow Bottle Bloom Phat tonight at 5ml per gal along with other nutes and topped of the reserviors. Starting to see pre-buds now.
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Hey raider, bro sorry to hear you had a rough night. WTF was king snake trying to do, it might have been a stoner snake.

The plants look amazing, I was going to mention the lollipop, but I already know you were gonna do. The current lollipop job looks great, I know you are tired but in a few days you might need to do a bit more aggressive lollipopping, at least for the stretchers.

You are planning on cutting out the CO2 ~2 weeks before the harvest right?

Nice preflowers and wonderful genetic line up, cannot wait for this round to finish up and see all your finished products.

calismoke28 said:

lolloping is when you take of all the bottom foliage from the plant that doesn't get any or much light. all the bud down there just is airy and takes useful nutrients and energy from the top of the pant that is getting good light...



now my question is how often do you change the water in your reservoirs? once a week or at all?

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Can you effectively take the bottom foliage off if the plant has been flowering for a month already? I notice i am unimpressed with the looks of the vey bottom, and don't think they will be of use.

#1Raiderfan420 said:

TLD, auxins is a new one for me. So do you mean all foliage or just fans? I have removed everything under the screen on the tall tray. You think I should take more off. They are stretching like crazy and I have noticed the internode spacing is finally getting closer now on the mango and papaya (the stretchers)

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Your papaya is stretching? I have some papaya growing with some gorgeous node spacing...an inch or so apart all the way up the stock. How far away are your lights? I used a cool white, plant/aquarium combo to veg, so i was able to keep the light super close. I think that helped.

Papaya and mango are the same strain - Nirvana just switched the name - is what I have heard anyway.

PassiveNature said:

Can you effectively take the bottom foliage off if the plant has been flowering for a month already? I notice i am unimpressed with the looks of the vey bottom, and don't think they will be of use.

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Well there is not time set in stone for lollipopping, but I think 2 weeks in bloom is a good time to do a very aggressive lollipop. If the strain is a stretcher then another lollipop session might be necessary.

I am a true believer in lollipopping, with aggressive enough lollipopping you will only end up with high grade nuggets.

bender420 said:

Hey raider, bro sorry to hear you had a rough night. WTF was king snake trying to do, it might have been a stoner snake.

The plants look amazing, I was going to mention the lollipop, but I already know you were gonna do. The current lollipop job looks great, I know you are tired but in a few days you might need to do a bit more aggressive lollipopping, at least for the stretchers.

You are planning on cutting out the CO2 ~2 weeks before the harvest right?

Nice preflowers and wonderful genetic line up, cannot wait for this round to finish up and see all your finished products.

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Bro, I have lollipopped twice now. I will do one more at the two week mark. It is crazy though, a lot of the lower branches reach the top of the canopy, so last night I was taking 2 foot branches off. I will do a final lollipop though in a few days. Believe it or not, there is light getting to everything at the moment, but I still have a lot of thinning to do. My goal is to leave one or two buds in each square.

PassiveNature said:

Can you effectively take the bottom foliage off if the plant has been flowering for a month already? I notice i am unimpressed with the looks of the vey bottom, and don't think they will be of use.

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I have taken off crowded branching a month into flower only if I have to. Trimming that late will shock the plant a bit.

PassiveNature said:

Your papaya is stretching? I have some papaya growing with some gorgeous node spacing...an inch or so apart all the way up the stock. How far away are your lights? I used a cool white, plant/aquarium combo to veg, so i was able to keep the light super close. I think that helped.

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This is the third time growing the mango, so I when I say they are stretching more than normal, I mean the node spacing is as much as 3 inches in places. I veg under t-5's and always have. I am sure it is because I let them get too crowded in veg and the were fighting for the light.

PassiveNature said:

Papaya and mango are the same strain - Nirvana just switched the name - is what I have heard anyway.

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I would believe that, because they look identical. Also, my mango was self idenditified by me. So it could be papaya now that I see how close they look. We will see when the buds start forming.

bender420 said:

Well there is not time set in stone for lollipopping, but I think 2 weeks in bloom is a good time to do a very aggressive lollipop. If the strain is a stretcher then another lollipop session might be necessary.

I am a true believer in lollipopping, with aggressive enough lollipopping you will only end up with high grade nuggets.

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I concur. LOL It is much easier to trim those hard dense nugs too than all that pocorn shit if you don't lollipop well enough.

#1Raiderfan420 said:

I know, I have been taking off bottom leaves everyday. A couple of the pk that are next to the ocd have stretched much more than ever before. I think the reason they stretched so much is because they were too crowded. I took off a large garbage bag full of branches tonight..took me a while. It was a fucked night all the way around. I was filling a res and trimming and didn't notice it was full until it was over flowing all over the floor. Fortunatley the pond liner on the floor made it easy to clean up with the shop vac. I found a damn king snake wedged under my door trying to get in tonight. He had managed to get under the tape, but couldn't get throught the velcro holding on the plastic plastic zipper door. Anyway, I was going to throw him outside, but he wasn't very friendly so he didin't make it. Crazy night for sure. I added the Yellow Bottle Bloom Phat tonight at 5ml per gal along with other nutes and topped of the reserviors. Starting to see pre-buds now.
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Theres your answer. Crowding=fighting for light= stretching, auxins= hormones/energy stored in the cell structure of the plant related to plant growth rates and types of growth.

And surprisingly wiki has some good info on auxins...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auxin

Looks sick bro. Subscribed.

So can crowding plants be used in a good way?

theloadeddragon said:

Theres your answer. Crowding=fighting for light= stretching, auxins= hormones/energy stored in the cell structure of the plant related to plant growth rates and types of growth.

And surprisingly wiki has some good info on auxins...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auxin

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Thanks TLD, I appreciate the info and I read up on my new word " auxins" It is always fun to expand my limited growing vocab. I took about half of what you saw in the last pics out last night. I really don't like the stretchy lanky stems, but I will know next time to either shorten veg or use less plants. That damn re-veg really got me off my system this run and some sat in my crowded veg room too long, thus causing the axins to stimulate verticle growth as they faught for light. I will need a lot of bamboo and the screen is almost useless in the mango papaya tray. I am going to stop raising the light, because every time I do they stretch up to it again the next day. There are a few tops that are inches away and seem to be taking it fine. I am assuming it is a combination of the new refelctors, spreaders, and the CO2 that is allowing them to get so close without any burning or bleaching. Hey TLD, while I have you here, do you have any experience with the Orange Crushx NYC Deisel? I am thinking of running the pk and the ocd next run. I have rooted clones now, so I am going to have to decide on strains soon.

Integra21 said:

Looks sick bro. Subscribed.

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Thanks man, and welcome.

whodatnation said:

So can crowding plants be used in a good way?

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If you want tall lanky plants than yes, but I usually try to keep my plants short and stout.

You can LST the stretchy plants lightly to pull them down a little bit (to the outside away from the light source and down, opening up the canopy). Start from the highest outer edges and work your way in, should be able to pull the tops down about 5 inches or so. Doing this will allow for better light penetration and air flow. Your plants will feel less crowded, and your auxin movement will focus more on flowering development (creating bud sites) instead of fighting for light/life . I had a similar occurrence over the winter in my flower room. I added a light, and removed two plants all together from the room, and it worked wonders for me.

Im fairly certain that it wouldn't matter what you do, with equal veg time the OCD will always get up above the PK. My advice in regards to that is to just veg the PK a little longer (take the cuttings sooner), and get it into flower first. Veg the OCD a little less (take the cuttings later), and get it into flower second, but also more directly under the lights. About a 3 week separation would even things out a bit. Im assuming it would make for an easier harvest as well.

Im glad you trimmed some more under the canopy. Your plants need the airflow, especially since your administering CO2.

This is such great info on auxins. Im soakin it all in over here. Thanks TLD. I just ran into the same situation in my shed but I didnt have any Idea why they stretched so much in just a couple days. Now I know. Reading this also put me at ease a little cause I just found out that 1/2 of my plants were male and I had to lst the remaining plants to fill the tray evenly. Based on what has been said above this should all be due to overcrowding the tray(which was very packed in) and now with 1/2 the plants and more airflow for my co2 to move around I should be much better off. Am I thinking correctly?