Memo my former employer put out on friday

Dr Kynes said:

so if i choose to employ people and institute a No Liberals policy,, i can fire you if i find out you voted for a democrat green or socialist right?

what about No Sodomy rules in employment contracts?
Tobacco prohibition in employment contracts?
prohibition of abortion in employment contracts?

your employer should not be able to test you and fire you for ANYTHING you do on your own time, including political, sexual,, and recreational activities.

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But the way I see it, is it's my business and if I want like minded people working for me, then thats what will happen. Actually, it's exactly what I did. I figured years ago I get enough debate and argument in my life that I don't need to go to my own business and have to listen to it from my employees as well.

Its amazing how much you can learn about a person before hiring them if you take them and their family out to dinner before hand. I've not hired people before just because their wife was crazy. Crazy calls work 20 times a day and sends my employee to work feeling like a piece of shit because she had to cuss him out for 30 minutes before he went to work. Fuck that, I dont have to deal with that shit at my home, and I don't want to hear about it at work either. Things like that lower productivity. At the very least, it's something that I don't have to deal with, so I don't by never inviting it in.

Dr, please disambiguate: do you mean the fun kind of stoning, or ... ? cn

*maleficarum

Dr Kynes said:

your employer should not be able to test you and fire you for ANYTHING you do on your own time, including political, sexual,, and recreational activities.

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That is not true. Any activities that effect your work, or your employer deems will effect your work, can be used to dismiss you.

I.e.
-coming into work late everyday because you decided that your recreational activities the night before were more important.
-If you come into work with a slight hint of liquor on your breath from drinking the night before, but blow a .00, they can send you home, or fire you.
-If you get a DUI in a federal position, you can be fired.
-If you smoke pot only when you are off work, your employer holds the right to drug test, and if found in your system, you can be fired.
-Recently, a woman who posted "Another 4 years of that n*****! Maybe this time he will get assassinated" on HER FACEBOOK, outside of work, was fired from her position at work, and is facing charges.

There are other examples as well. There is a fine line between worker discrimination and termination as a result of negative actions.

id say pot is a victimless crime and if your fired solely on a piss test . .would be discrimination . . . . now match that piss test to a performance reviews showing other piss test and lack of performance as a result of increased or continued use . . . .now thats mash potatoes

i see a lot of wrongful termination suites . .employers are not an exception to the stupid rule(70%)

Samwell Seed Well said:

id say pot is a victimless crime and if your fired solely on a piss test . .would be discrimination . . . . now match that piss test to a performance reviews showing other piss test and lack of performance as a result of increased or continued use . . . .now thats mash potatoes

i see a lot of wrongful termination suites . .employers are not an exception to the stupid rule(70%)

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Pot is classified as a drug... You can most definitely terminate someone who tests positive for a federally illegal substance that can not only land that individual in jail, but if caught at work, could even land the employer or other employees in jail.

Every federally funded company is required to mandate drug tests for their employees, and moreover, the employees have to pass the test based on the federal definition. It's law..

Lastly, just because you file for a wrongful termination suit, does not mean you will win. Of course many ATTEMPT to sue to wrongful termination, I doubt many win. Especially if their reason for wrongful termination was that they failed a pot drug test. The judge will laugh them out of the court room...

look up what a drug is and anything, almost, can be described as a drug . . like chocolate cake or a big mac . . . . . . . if your going to get literal at least be relevant

drug (drug) 1. a chemical substance that affects the processes of the mind or body.
2. any chemical compound used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of disease or other abnormal condition.
3. a substance used recreationally for its effects on the central nervous system, such as a narcotic.
4. to administer a drug to.


drug testing is done as insurance that the company did all it could to keep its employees and business safe, keeping them not liable for any of the druggies mistakes or actions that effect teh business and or its employees negatively

its a way to not get sued thats it, a bad employee gets fired for lack of perfoemnace

a piss test firing is just a way to stay non liable dont get it twisted

Samwell Seed Well said:

look up what a drug is and anything, almost, can be described as a drug . . like chocolate cake or a big mac . . . . . . . if your going to get literal at least be relevant

drug (drug) 1. a chemical substance that affects the processes of the mind or body.
2. any chemical compound used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of disease or other abnormal condition.
3. a substance used recreationally for its effects on the central nervous system, such as a narcotic.
4. to administer a drug to.

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Nutrients are generally excused from classification as drugs. IV glucose is sort of both. cn

fb360 said:

Pot is classified as a drug... a federally illegal substance
employees have to pass the test based on the federal definition. It's law..

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Samwell Seed Well said:

look up what a drug is and anything, almost, can be described as a drug . . like chocolate cake or a big mac . . . . . . . if your going to get literal at least be relevant

drug (drug) 1. a chemical substance that affects the processes of the mind or body.
2. any chemical compound used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of disease or other abnormal condition.
3. a substance used recreationally for its effects on the central nervous system, such as a narcotic.
4. to administer a drug to.

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If you read my post, or better yet, the excerpts I left you above, you will notice everything I mentioned is relevant. It's not my fault that the federal government associates pot as an illegal drug

It is not my opinion. My opinion is that the war on pot is ridiculous and that pot should have never been controlled and classified as an illegal substance.

cannabineer said:

Nutrients are generally excused from classification as drugs. IV glucose is sort of both. cn

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but it has an effect on the body similar to other dopamine and serotonin releasing drug, chemicals

its not that it effects us that make sit a drug its how

and many things in life parelel these effects on teh body

fb360 said:

If you read my post, or better yet, the excerpts I left you above, you will notice everything I mentioned is relevant. It's not my fault that the federal government associates pot as an illegal drug

It is not my opinion. My opinion is that the war on pot is ridiculous and that pot should have never been controlled and classified as an illegal substance.

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how about you show there relevence vs proclaim it

i have been through ten years of substance abuse treatment........ i have seen every single deplorable person in for a million reasons . . ..

the word drug is vastly misunderstood, and how many things in life effects us is also very misunderstood,

and seeing that the GOP wonder team science committee thinks legit rape is real, id say it makes sense that most alcoholics see them selves as diseased and victim vs wired wrong,

the genetics code does not contain enough information to pass on diseases they are very complex sometimes more so then our own genetic code . . . . ..


educate yourself people

Samwell Seed Well said:

how about you show there relevence vs proclaim it

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I did you buffoon...
Let me do this one last time for you.

fb360 said:

Pot is classified as a drug... a federally illegal substance
employees have to pass the test based on the federal definition. It's law..

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I didn't proclaim anything brah, merely restated the factual information regarding the federal stance on pot.
Why don't you go to the nearest police station, confront them by smoking a blunt in their face, and tell them that pot isn't a drug.

Sam,
You should stick to C&P. I actually understand those posts and they have "effect" and "affect" used properly.

Samwell Seed Well said:

i have been through ten years of substance abuse treatment........ i have seen every single deplorable person in for a million reasons . . .. the word drug is vastly misunderstood, and how many things in life effects us is also very misunderstood, and seeing that the GOP wonder team science committee thinks legit rape is real, id say it makes sense that most alcoholics see them selves as diseased and victim vs wired wrong, the genetics code does not contain enough information to pass on diseases they are very complex sometimes more so then our own genetic code . . . . .. educate yourself people

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In your estimation, what would I have to do to do/say it better? cn

Smoking, being too heavy, boss doesn't like the way you look, "doesn't meet expectations", damn near anything if you don't have some sort of contract.

fb360 said:

How? If they are receiving federal funds, it is required that the company abides by federal laws, which strictly prohibit the consumption of marijuana...
Even if they are not, it is the choice of any private employer to set the restrictions he wants in terms of the social status of his employees; businesses fire employees all the time after finding out they were given a DUI.

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Employers have to careful about that kind of shit. Every state has different laws that regulate how an employer is allowed to treat his/her employees. For example, in Illinois, an employer could fire an employee who refused to give them access to their facebook information. A few months ago, the Governor signed a bill that takes that right away from employers. Chesus brought up the smoking thing, 30 states have since banned that practice. I think someone implied that they only hire people with similar political beliefs. That's illegal as shit in most states (perhaps even all states), though probably difficult to prove. This issue of employees being allowed to smoke marijuana outside of work has come up a few times and each time the courts have sided with the employer. I'll bet there are more court battles yet to be fought on this issue and if no victories are made there then the issue could be resolved through legislation.

This employer from the original post found out the hard way that they aren't allowed to do whatever they want. They once fired a guy for being a Muslim. That decisions ended up costing them about 100k. Actually I got caught in the middle, which is why they are my former employer.

Red1966 said:

Smoking, being too heavy, boss doesn't like the way you look, "doesn't meet expectations", damn near anything if you don't have some sort of contract.

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Again, while this might be true, employers have to be very careful about how they do this. Every state constitution protects employees from discrimination. Each state can define discrimination differently. In some cases, the fatties might be protected.

fb360 said:

Pot is classified as a drug... You can most definitely terminate someone who tests positive for a federally illegal substance that can not only land that individual in jail, but if caught at work, could even land the employer or other employees in jail.

Every federally funded company is required to mandate drug tests for their employees, and moreover, the employees have to pass the test based on the federal definition. It's law..

Lastly, just because you file for a wrongful termination suit, does not mean you will win. Of course many ATTEMPT to sue to wrongful termination, I doubt many win. Especially if their reason for wrongful termination was that they failed a pot drug test. The judge will laugh them out of the court room...

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My wages are funded by a DOE grant. I've never been tested for drugs. But I also am classified as a "professional". Also, filing a wrongful termination suit can net you a decent amount of money, even if you doubt you will prevail. They usually will settle out of court for a small settlement just to avoid litigation.

Red1966 said:

My wages are funded by a DOE grant. I've never been tested for drugs. But I also am classified as a "professional". Also, filing a wrongful termination suit can net you a decent amount of money, even if you doubt you will prevail. They usually will settle out of court for a small settlement just to avoid litigation.

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You are absolutely correct on this. I've been through it. The lawyers I talked to estimate that a company will spend a minimum of 10 grand going to court over eeoc complaints. Even when a company is confident that they can win, they will sometimes settle just to avoid the bad PR.

Yeah man these days you can sue somebody for almost anything, and especially with the economy being in restoration mode its not hard to win a wrongful termination lawsuit today