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CanadianCoyote

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They don't have the golden 60 yet, they have 59. ALMOST enough. However, if the Obama admin doesn't pull up its pants and start getting results... I have a feeling a flood of Republicans will gain Senate seats in next year's election.
 

medicineman

New Member
They don't have the golden 60 yet, they have 59. ALMOST enough. However, if the Obama admin doesn't pull up its pants and start getting results... I have a feeling a flood of Republicans will gain Senate seats in next year's election.
Well, Franken is a slam dunk, just a matter of time, in fact I wouldn't be surprised to see a few more repukes change sides/names. The repukes have absolutely nothing going for them. they are the party of no, that's it, obstructionists.
 

CanadianCoyote

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Their constituents are freaking the fuck OUT now, though. Don't underestimate the ignorance of the American masses... especially those nestled comfortably in the bosom of the religious right. They're convinced the End Times are upon us... and are voting accordingly.
 

BadDog40

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They don't have the golden 60 yet, they have 59. ALMOST enough. However, if the Obama admin doesn't pull up its pants and start getting results... I have a feeling a flood of Republicans will gain Senate seats in next year's election.

Really? Opinion polls beg to differ, and the most telling poll is that only 1 in 5 people claim to be republican.
 

Mcgician

Well-Known Member
It is extremely apparent that the right has lost their way. Fishing for cruel things to say to the left and actually having no agenda other than the stinkin leftist commie pinko socialistic bastarde are winning, what can we do to throw a monkey wrench into their plans. The repukes are now the party of NO. The libertarians are torn asunder, all they can do is yell anti-commie bullshit, they have no real agenda other than saying NO to all Obamas plans, yeah, lets go back on the gold standard when there is not enough gold to fund even a small bank, let alone the US economy, Idiots all. How would the founding fathers do it, who cares. This is 2+centuries later. In case you haven't noticed, a few things have changed. We have automobiles and TV, McDonalds and movies, TIVO and computers. Most kids are exposed to more information by the time they are 5 or 6 than the founding fathers were in a lifetime. The party of retards cannot roll back the hands of time, sorry charlies.
Typical blah, blah, blah from the left is more like it. More hate-speech.......how unique and such a surprise! You should feel so proud of yourself for such a thoroughly thought out summary of the one and only truth! LOLOL!! I read through that entire thing and nowhere along the way, aside from not being able to "roll back time" are there any actual FACTS, then again, facts have never been a part of the liberal's arguments have they? Hahaha. Keep your head in the sand if you want to, and keep on with the "pie in the sky" empty promises from the left if you want......you can count me out. Here's an article from TODAY by the AP that shows that even they're not buying into Obama's BS promises and fuzzy math. Until now, they've treated him with kid gloves and fed him softball pitches, but it appears even now, they're getting tired of the same old lies. Enjoy! :)


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT
" Apr 29, 9:23 PM EDT


FACT CHECK: Obama disowns deficit he helped shape

By CALVIN WOODWARD
Associated Press Writer


AP Photo/Jeff Roberson

FACT CHECK: Obama disowns deficit he helped shape

WASHINGTON (AP) -- "That wasn't me," President Barack Obama said on his 100th day in office, disclaiming responsibility for the huge budget deficit waiting for him on Day One.

It actually was partly him - and the other Democrats controlling Congress the previous two years - who shaped the latest in a string of precipitously out-of-balance budgets.

And as a presidential candidate and president-elect, he backed the twilight Bush-era stimulus plan that made the deficit deeper, all before he took over and promoted spending plans that have made it much deeper still.

Obama met citizens at an Arnold, Mo., high school Wednesday in advance of his prime-time news conference. Both forums were a platform to review his progress at the 100-day mark and look ahead.

At various times, he brought an air of certainty to ambitions that are far from cast in stone.

His assertion that his proposed budget "will cut the deficit in half by the end of my first term" is an eyeball-roller among many economists, given the uncharted terrain of trillion-dollar deficits and economic calamity that the government is negotiating.

He promised vast savings from increased spending on preventive health care in the face of doubts that such an effort, however laudable it might be for public welfare, can pay for itself, let alone yield huge savings.

A look at some of his claims Wednesday:

OBAMA: "We began by passing a Recovery Act that has already saved or created over 150,000 jobs." - from news conference.

THE FACTS: This assertion is flawed on several levels. For starters, the U.S. has lost more than 1.2 million jobs since Obama took office, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Even if Obama's stimulus bill saved or created as many jobs as he says, that number is dwarfed by the number of recent job losses.

But Obama's number is murky, at best. The White House has not yet announced how it intends to count jobs created by the stimulus bill. Obama's number is based on a job-counting formula that his economists have developed but have not made public. Until that formula is announced - probably in the coming week or so - there's no way to assess its accuracy.

Whatever the formula, economists who study job creation say it will require some creative math. That's because Obama has lumped "jobs saved" in with "jobs created." Even economists for organizations that stand to benefit from the stimulus concede it probably is impossible to estimate saved jobs because that would require calculating a hypothetical: how many people would have lost their jobs without the stimulus.

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OBAMA: "We must lay a new foundation for growth, a foundation that will strengthen our economy and help us compete in the 21st century. And that's exactly what this budget begins to do. It contains new investments in education that will equip our workers with the right skills and training; new investments in renewable energy that will create millions of jobs and new industries; new investments in health care that will cut costs for families and businesses; and new savings that will bring down our deficit." - news conference.

THE FACTS: While the budget does set a roadmap for achieving the president's goals, it says nothing about how to pay for his health plan, expected to cost more than $1 trillion over the next 10 years. And while the deficit, under the plan, would drop to $523 billion in 2014, it achieves it with unrealistic assumptions, such as projections that spending in Iraq and Afghanistan will amount to only $50 billion a year.

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OBAMA: "Number one, we inherited a $1.3 trillion deficit. ... That wasn't me. Number two, there is almost uniform consensus among economists that in the middle of the biggest crisis, financial crisis, since the Great Depression, we had to take extraordinary steps. So you've got a lot of Republican economists who agree that we had to do a stimulus package and we had to do something about the banks. Those are one-time charges, and they're big, and they'll make our deficits go up over the next two years." - in Missouri.

THE FACTS:

Congress, under Democratic control in 2007 and 2008, controlled the purse strings that led to the deficit Obama inherited. A Republican president, George W. Bush, had a role, too: He signed the legislation.

Obama supported the emergency bailout package in Bush's final months - a package Democratic leaders wanted to make bigger.

To be sure, Obama opposed the Iraq war, a drain on federal coffers for six years before he became president. But with one major exception, he voted in support of Iraq war spending.

The economy has worsened under Obama, though from forces surely in play before he became president, and he can credibly claim to have inherited a grim situation.

Still, his response to the crisis goes well beyond "one-time charges."

He's persuaded Congress to expand children's health insurance, education spending, health information technology and more. He's moving ahead on a variety of big-ticket items on health care, the environment, energy and transportation that, if achieved, will be more enduring than bank bailouts and aid for homeowners.

The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimated his policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years, even accounting for his spending reduction goals. Now, the deficit is nearly quadrupling to $1.75 trillion.

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OBAMA: "I think one basic principle that we know is that the more we do on the (disease) prevention side, the more we can obtain serious savings down the road. ... If we're making those investments, we will save huge amounts of money in the long term." - in Missouri.

THE FACTS: It sounds believable that preventing illness should be cheaper than treating it, and indeed that's the case with steps like preventing smoking and improving diets and exercise. But during the 2008 campaign, when Obama and other presidential candidates were touting a focus on preventive care, the New England Journal of Medicine cautioned that "sweeping statements about the cost-saving potential of prevention, however, are overreaching." It said that "although some preventive measures do save money, the vast majority reviewed in the health economics literature do not."

And a study released in December by the Congressional Budget Office found that increasing preventive care "could improve people's health but would probably generate either modest reductions in the overall costs of health care or increases in such spending within a 10-year budgetary time frame."

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OBAMA: "You could cut (Social Security) benefits. You could raise the tax on everybody so everybody's payroll tax goes up a little bit. Or you can do what I think is probably the best solution, which is you can raise the cap on the payroll tax." - in Missouri.

THE FACTS: Obama's proposal would reduce the Social Security trust fund's deficit by less than half, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

That means he would still have to cut benefits, raise the payroll tax rate, raise the retirement age or some combination to deal with the program's long-term imbalance.

Workers currently pay 6.2 percent and their employers pay an equal rate - for a total of 12.4 percent - on annual wages of up to $106,800, after which no more payroll tax is collected.

Obama wants workers making more than $250,000 to pay payroll tax on their income over that amount. That would still protect workers making under $250,000 from an additional burden. But it would raise much less money than removing the cap completely.

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OBAMA: "My hope is that working in a bipartisan fashion we are going to be able to get a health care reform bill on my desk before the end of the year that we'll start seeing in the kinds of investments that will make everybody healthier."

THE FACTS: Obama has indeed expressed hope for a health care plan that has support from Democrats and Republicans. But his Democratic allies in Congress have just made that harder. The budget plan written by the Democrats gives them the option of denying Republicans the normal right to block health care with a Senate filibuster. The filibuster tactic requires 60 votes to overcome, making it the GOP's main weapon to ensure a bipartisan outcome. The rules set by the budget mean that majority Democrats could potentially pass health care legislation without any Republican votes, sacrificing bipartisanship to achieve their goals.

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Associated Press writers Matt Apuzzo, Kevin Freking and Jim Kuhnhenn contributed to this report.

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I particularly enjoy how Obama lumped jobs created into the jobs saved category which makes it impossible to actually confirm. Typical, but expected from this administration. I'm also unsure whether or not the people are smart enough NOT to fall for it. If you want to err on the side of higher taxation, and bigger, more liberty-stealing government, go right ahead. I for one, will fight it every way I can- and that includes responding to ridiculous OPINION pieces like yours! Lol.

Translation- Obama = L-I-A-R




Really? Opinion polls beg to differ, and the most telling poll is that only 1 in 5 people claim to be republican.
Fuck polls. Polls are never thorough enough, and their methods of data determination are rarely up to scientific standards. Besides, who gives a shit about OPINION anyway except for the libs? Facts and governing based on unwavering ideals and a commitment to them are far more important than public opinion polls. I quote Benjamin Franklin- "When the people find they can vote themselves more money, that will herald the end of the republic." The spending the Obama administration is doing equates to exactly that. All the while, most of the dumbshits that are so enamored with him have no idea that all that "stuff" still has to be worked off by the American public somehow! For all you lefties out there that believe in socialism, just see my sig. That should make perfectly clear what ideology many of you unwittingly align yourselves with. Btw, if you're going to claim something like that, how about a credible link? Pfft...
 

Mcgician

Well-Known Member
Mcgician, You are a complete idiot. :spew:
Struck a nerve did I? Lol. You sir, are incapable of well reasoned argument backed up by any hard facts and in the typical fashion of most lefties, and all you have left is name calling. And we all know how hard that is to do. Hahaha. Go pound sand.
 

Mcgician

Well-Known Member
Read it and weep McDoofus.........

'There is a warning sign for the GOP in the new poll: 21 percent of those surveyed said they identify as Republicans, the fewest to do so in a Post-ABC poll in more than 25 years.'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/25/AR2009042503120_2.html?sid=ST2009042600036
And you sir, can see my previous comments on polls. Or did you miss that part? Also, I don't recall being polled. Were you? I can poke holes in that poll's methods all day long. Try again.
 

CanadianCoyote

Well-Known Member
Read it and weep McDoofus.........

'There is a warning sign for the GOP in the new poll: 21 percent of those surveyed said they identify as Republicans, the fewest to do so in a Post-ABC poll in more than 25 years.'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/25/AR2009042503120_2.html?sid=ST2009042600036
Ahh, but people who say they're republicans aren't the only ones who VOTE for republicans. There are a growing number of independents out there who'll vote for either party. Not to mention people who say they're from one party but have been known to vote for a candidate from the other party. If you check my voter's registration, you'll find a nice neat lil 'R' stamped beside party affiliation. But I didn't vote that way during the last election (nor the one before that, even).
 
Struck a nerve did I? Lol. You sir, are incapable of well reasoned argument backed up by any hard facts and in the typical fashion of most lefties, and all you have left is name calling. And we all know how hard that is to do. Hahaha. Go pound sand.

Here is a fact mcflurry; the Bush occupation created this economic downturn. FACT. don't let the door hit you on the way out.:hump:
 

Mcgician

Well-Known Member
Here is a fact mcflurry; the Bush occupation created this economic downturn. FACT. don't let the door hit you on the way out.:hump:
Way out? FACT? Lol. Once again, statements like yours prove that libs are incapable of seeing things for what they really are. Bush never drafted any of the TARP legislation, all he did was sign off on it (which pisses me off because he abandoned core conservative values and instead acted like a lib). But your democrat friends have had the congressional majority since after the 06 election. Since then, Bush was a lame duck president and republicans have been powerless to enact ANY new legislation. Your blame is misplaced. I realize that many libs unwittingly support a dictatorial form of government, but we're not quite there yet. See if you can grasp the incredibly complex idea that congress shapes legislation and the president can only sign it or veto it. If the dems are the only ones "looking out for the people", the fact that they did nothing to stop it means that they're either 1. incompetent, or 2. they're really don't care about the people. Either way, they lose. Sorry, but that's the FACT.
 

ViRedd

New Member
Bush was no conservative ... slam.

Obama is the most dangerous person to enter U.S. politics since Woodrow Wilson. Slam.

We now have a coalition government ... one party with definite communistic/fascistic leanings. Slam!

Watch for a serious move on the part of classical liberals (Libertarians/conservatives/independents) to force a constitutional convention to repeal the 16th Amendment. Trust me ... its coming.


Vi
 

jfgordon1

Well-Known Member
Bush was no conservative ... slam.

Obama is the most dangerous person to enter U.S. politics since Woodrow Wilson. Slam.

We now have a coalition government ... one party with definite communistic/fascistic leanings. Slam!

Watch for a serious move on the part of classical liberals (Libertarians/conservatives/independents) to force a constitutional convention to repeal the 16th Amendment. Trust me ... its coming.


Vi
That's saying a lot considering Wilson RUINED America. and yet.. i couldn't agree more. a very dangerous man he is.

great post


EDIT: I hope they do repeal the 16th. Your obviously for the repeal, right? i read it as if you were against .
 

ViRedd

New Member
I'm not hip to American history, so ... could you tell me what Woodrow Wilson did to ruin this country?
Sure ...

In addition to presiding over the Federal Reserve Act and the Federal Income Tax, Wilson has a history of economic and political abuses rivaled only by Lincoln, FDR ... and now Obama.

This is Wilson's history in a nutshell ...


http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0205/p09s01-coop.html

And JFGordon ...

Yes, I am definately against the federal tax on income. Why? For the simple reason that any labor taxed is labor owned. Labor owned is economic slavery.

Vi
 
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