Methods for highest possible yield indoor

Porky101

Porky101

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Dr. Who said:
Did it years ago in a homemade ebb system that sat in a metal frame I welded up. Res. tank at the bottom so it simply was pumped up and when the pump stopped it flowed back to the res. I jus bought the tray, tank and pump. Used other things laying around for the remaining parts (no shortage). Just broke 3 per by single cola running and using rockwool in it....It was a 2x2 area I used to dial in feeding rates, etc. For new strains when I ran hydro.......I still have that whole unit stored away....I attempted the 3 per thing to see if I could do it in that...It took several tries and strains to nail it.

The best result in soil was 64 plants in a about a 4.5x4.5 area filled with a heavy yielding strain in one gallon pots (a perticular brand of pots - deep and with a 6" diam. Flipped at between 6.5 to 8 inch's in the plants height (hard to get 64 plants to grow at the same rate to size). Yields were averageing over a zip a plant and had one harvest come out to just over 2200 grams. That was with a 600w light so about 3.67 grams per...
This took a cpl of tries to get the strain dialed and the size to bloom at, before result was successful.

Most of the learning is in you......Find the right strain. Dial that in for best results. Go for it!
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That's an absolutely amazing result.

I'm going to try this :)
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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lux, par, lumens, w/e it takes, i can't affrod the led light meters, so i use my old lux meter..and it isn't accurate on leds, which is one reason i don't already know the answer to this question 8)
 
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Illinois Enema Bandit

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jimmykimmel said:
Hey guys, so I've been growing for a few years now and I'm wondering if there would be a better way to utilise the space I've got.

It's in a bedroom about 3.5mx3m

I usually stick 20-26 in there in 15 litre pots and use 4 600w hps

They usually get to about 3 foot including pot

Yield wise it's usually between 80-125 ounce which I am happy with but I'd like to hear your opinions on increasing yield.

Could I get more on less plants? Maybe a scrog or a sea of green.

And also if i have less plants I'm
Guessing veg time is going to be a lot longer so would it be worth it in the long run?

Appreciate any advice
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You didn't post your veg time or the length from start to harvest.

On a sq ft basis no grow method I've seen can beat the SOG single cola zero veg style like I copied from Al B Fuct.

In a 4ft x 8ft flood table I grow 50 rooted clones with 6-8 tightly grouped bud nodes with all side branching pruned off,from day 1 to harvest is 7.5-8 weeks max,on the low side each plant yields 2.5 ounces of dry cured product,on the high side each plant will yield 4 ounces of dry cured product every 8 weeks.

Using the single cola sea of green perpetual harvest flood & drain style I pull an average of 9 lbs cured product from each 4x8 table every 8 weeks using 3 600 watt hps per table,each 4x8 table yields 6 harvests per year for roughly 50 pounds every 12 months,I've yet to see another grow style best the single cola zero veg SOG style over the course of a year for balls out production .
 
GardenGnome83

GardenGnome83

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Gaz29 said:
Are you buying or have you got any cobs,?,as your post a couple up from this says "look for cobs. Efficiency.!" But you tell me Ushio hps is what YOU use. I agree cobs are most efficient, what do you recommend as best cob.? I myself use sunmaster hps dual spectrum bulbs. But looking into cob lighting. Would appreciate your opinion..
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Start up costs for cobs is high.
I am running only 1k watts right now, and when I fill another room, leds will go in there. I am going to use ushio until that happens, because it is better than straight red. And cheap, which allows me to get profits to purchase lights that make double weight buds.
 
GardenGnome83

GardenGnome83

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Porky101 said:
LEDS produce more light compared to HPS watt for watt.

However as LIGHT is a form of heat, ultimately the quantity of heat will be the same if they use they use the same amount of watts.
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Dude, just give it up. You are wrong. Instead of arguing, just look it up, grow as a gardener for fucks sake.
 
Alexander Supertramp

Alexander Supertramp

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Porky101 said:
whats the correct logic then?
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Study the law of conservation of energy and the thermodynamic properties of light. You will find the correct logic.
Photons carry energy which can then be converted to thermal energy under certain conditions, but photons definitely aren't heat themselves (especially since photons are massless and heat/temperature is the average kinetic energy of something's particles).
 
Porky101

Porky101

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Alexander Supertramp said:
Study the law of conservation of energy and the thermodynamic properties of light. You will find the correct logic.
Photons carry energy which can then be converted to thermal energy under certain conditions, but photons definitely aren't heat themselves (especially since photons are massless and heat/temperature is the average kinetic energy of something's particles).
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your right. photons arent heat themselves. Photons are photons.

What I am saying still holds true though.
 
GardenGnome83

GardenGnome83

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Porky101 said:
yes thats the topic we discussing. what did I say that I am wrong about? you cant just say im wrong about the entire topic...lol....you would make a terrible teacher.
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No, a teacher can only present the info, it is up to the student to learn.
Just reread the thread with an open mind.
 
Alexander Supertramp

Alexander Supertramp

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Porky101 said:
your right. photons arent heat themselves. Photons are photons.

What I am saying still holds true though.
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No it is not true different types of light of the same wattage emit equal amounts of heat. You just are not willing to do the research that will prove to yourself that you are wrong. Your statement saying light is heat is untrue also.
 
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Illinois Enema Bandit

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Alexander Supertramp said:
No they will not. LED is more efficient at turning electricity into light. Led yields more light per watt and less heat. HID is the opposite. Law of conservation of energy. check it out. Light energy vs Heat energy.
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Sitting here listening to my Class A amplification HiFi system & reading your post made me realize you are 100% correct about light heat,watts are watts no matter the intended use & that got me thinking about different types of amplifiers & the different heat created by exact wattage amplifiers of a different Class/design ,the same rules apply with lighting as amplification.

For instance a 600 watt Class A amplifier design generates massive heat due to its design,much like magnetic ballasts,a Class A/B amplifier of the same 600 watts generates less than 1/4 the heat of the Class A design,much like digital ballasts,then there is the Class D design amplifiers most active subwoofers have built in them,they generate nearly zero heat at 600 watts up to 5,000 watt models I've seen,much like LED.


The design of the bulb & ballast, as well as the bulb/ballast efficiency play a huge role in how much radiant heat the bulb creates .
 
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