Michigan Growers Tell Your Plans for This Year

Klo$etBreeder

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Dank I didn't say anything about driving to Detroit, and honestly could give a Fuck about what you think, I wasn't doggin you at all just making the point that most inner cities are far more expensive than the country due to the population and the fact that there's more money, and there's a huge population of outdoor growers closer to the country, im not talking bullshit genetics that some retards created, I never am, I'm talking 100% quality bud. Which is lacking in many areas. Look in magazines reporting prices even usually say 400 an oz in detroit,

Same.reason prices in cali for a good lb are 2500 or less and in NY there close to 5000,

Maybe do some research before you run your mouth.

I wasn't tryn to be a prick or arrogant at all just saying you may find cheaper prices outside of the cities and that statement was for everyone.

If I was such a huge prick believe me I wouldn't be on this thread hic, rzza, gd, wouldn't allow it. Or possibly that's why they keep me around LOL.
 

Klo$etBreeder

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Kloset, it's not that bad down here with prices. When I first got my med card I started calling this delivery service called AntFarm, which was 60 an 8th and 115 a qtr when i first started going to them, now it's anywhere from 50-65 an 8th and 90-125 a qtr. Needless to say i've been going thru them for awhile now, and I have been talking to the owner, Anthony, since they first started doing delivery using just regular sandwich baggies hah, and him and I were talking about me maybe being a rep for the eastside, and start delivering medicene in the East Macomb County area like eastpointe, st clair shores, roseville, and grosse pointe to name a few. Prices from him for weight, is anywhere from 3,100 - 3750 depending on quality. He has had some decent stuff, he's been getting bigger lately, getting shipments from cali, but also had some indoor stuff too. They also have there own clinic for 200 for doctor referals for anyone WITHOUT RECORDS and is legit, and 150 for renewal, but rzza said he found a place that does it for 50 which is not bad either. Basically, not everything down in the city is pricey. But before I can do all that, I still gotta move outta my ma's basement ahaha, but things will change when I can take on patients once i'm 21. (:
I fully understand that the dispencerys have to make money and almost all, well call them pharmacists, have a double you money rule, as in buy for 10 sell for 20, which is fine for those wanting to pay that but realize 60 an 8th is 480 and oz 50 is 400 so really my tags are true. I sell for no more than 10 a gram unless I don't like the person or don't know them, then its like a stranger fee, shit and my patients get least 6 oz free every 2 months and charged no more than 250 an oz after that.

As for card prices that ranges and is getting cheaper as ppl compete. Depends on who you know.
 

Klo$etBreeder

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Which bags are you using rzza, I keep telling myself I'm going to buy some but have been making oil, and just gumby hash, aka poor man's gravity hash.

You got any meds to trade here in a week or so I harvest Thurs/fri bout a week after that it should be dried and curing, but I've been looking for something new and I told ya I'd bring ya a sour kush cut, and like hic said way earlier we all need to pre-outdoor smoke and talk shop for good luck. Maybe I can convince you into going on an outdoor run, and I can talk yall into organic growing and networking,

Hic - I'm still very interested in meeting and talking breeding I think we could both learn a lot from one another, I'm ready to get down to business quit my job and go all in.
 

rzza

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closet, anytime bro. let me know when your ready. ya gotta get outta the cheap hash options. bubble is the way to go no doubt. i bought this set of 8 online for 80 bucks.
 

Klo$etBreeder

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80$!? no shit i thought a small set like 4 bags was 150$ damn thats a good deal, have you made the butane oil yet? its kinda harsh but if you roll a cigg or a bud in it its not bad and the weed rolled in it burns super slow.

I also plan to make cotton candy buds, if you dont know what they are its a bud of your choice dipped in oil, rolled in keif, then dipped agian, and rolled in keif once more. the result is a bud thats just rock hard and covered in crystal and does look somewhat like cotton candy. i've also seen, cron-doh theres another name for it too that similar, but anyways its a 50/50 mix of hash and oil making a play-doh like concentrate that isn't stick to the touch and can be molded to fit whatev your smoking out of.

SB- your deff in the right place to learn about the great outdoors, you can also look back to the begining of this thread, lol I know its ALOT to look thru but you can see everything we did thru last year. where are you located-ish no specifics especially since your going to be a new guerilla farmer this year. myself, hic, GD definitely have a wealth of knowledge between us, among other that are here to but us three are on here everyday for the most part.

what is your plan for the spring SD? any problems you have or questions plz feel free to ask anything at all, we all have different techniques and use different nutrients, I myself use both organic and chem ferts outdooors, and plan to go all organic on some plants and chem on others to find what works best for me. do you plan to grow close to home or out on LEO country.

check out this video...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6eCpRPcHOY&feature=fvwrel

if you want I can write up a complete breakdown of how i do my plants outside, which lead me to what you see in the video, I cant promise you plants that size but a good harvest none the less. and a way to give them the nutrients they need at all times without every being there every week. I plan to make a guerilla grow video this summer that covers everything pertaining to outdoors in michigan, there isn't any videos out there yet and I plan to be the first!

oh also I'd like to be able to go out and get some footage of others plants around harvest time just to have some variety in the especially if someone on here comes into a problem (not wishing this on anyone here but it happens). so anyone willing to have some footage taken and possibly an interview let me know. no real names will be used and you can be blacked out or rockin a bandana like me! But I do plan to actually make this a yearly video and make an actual DVD, just another way to get the ''KBZ meds" name out there, I have a friend that is amazing with video editing and has a studio in his apartment so it wouldnt be just a cheaply made camcorder video on VHS lol.
 

rzza

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i bought them at hydrowarehouse.com but i just looked for ya to get the link and they must have stopped selling them.
 

Klo$etBreeder

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hmm thats shitty...

heres some info on organics outdoors and super soils

Danny Danko’s Magic Organic Mix for 5-gallon Buckets
3 parts Canadian sphagnum peat mix, coco coir or Pro-Mix
1 part large chunky perlite
1 part worm castings
1/2 cup greensand
1/2 cup of dolomite lime
1/3 cup of Peruvian seabird guano
1/4 cup Epsom salts
Mix it all together and soak it all down for at least a day or two before you plan to use it to get all the contents blended up and oxygenated. It should be wet throughout but not over-saturated.
The first few waterings should be done with plain water as the fresh planting mix is fairly “hot” (nutrient-rich). Let water sit out for at least 24 hours to evaporate chlorine that will kill off your beneficial microbes. Airstones at the bottom of the bucket with an air pump will speed up this process as well.

From then on, use compost teas and diluted liquid seaweed throughout growth and add some high-phosphorus bat guano tea during flowering. No need to flush towards the end, simply use milder tea for the last two weeks of flowering. Some natural yellowing will occur on fan leaves but this is a good thing as nitrogen is leaching out of the plant’s cells.

Making Organic Teas
The same 5-gallon buckets are perfect for brewing custom teas for each stage of plant growth. Early on, a compost tea is perfect for both watering and foliar spraying. Fill a nylon stocking with your chosen ingredients, which can include compost, guanos from both seabirds and bats and a little bit of molasses to feed the microorganisms. Fill the bucket with water and use an air pump and air stone bubblers to oxygenate the water for a few hours (this helps remove chlorine and other potential pollutants). Now, dunk the nylon sock into the water and steep for two days while stirring occasionally and allowing the airstones to bubble throughout the process to keep everything aerobic (oxygenated).

Now you’re ready to use the tea. Let it sit for a half hour or so to settle and then strain it into another bucket. You can feed this tea directly to the plants roots by saturating the growing mix in your buckets and/or spray the leaves for the added benefit of suppressing foliar diseases. Use the tea immediately. It’s only at it’s most effective for an hour or so.

Organics Outdoors
It’s even easier to grow organically outdoors. If you’ve got the space, start a compost pile with leaves and kitchen scraps as well as lawn clippings (and even spent rootballs and used bubblebag scraps). Turn the pile once a week with a shovel or compost fork and you’ll have plenty of free compost (a.k.a. “black gold”) to mix into your outdoor soil and use as a nutritious mulch for your pot plants.

Outdoors, the bigger your container - the better. Loose organic mixes and plenty of sunshine encourage roots to grow at tremendous rates, leading to huge bushes that yield over a pound-per-plant and more! Better yet, dig your own hole deep and fill it with a variety of organic materials for a custom “seasoned” spot you can re-use year after year by simply replenishing the mix. Liquid seaweed and liquid fish as well as compost and guano teas combined with a healthy regimen of organic additives will keep plants happily thriving in the sun. Before long, you’ll be growing trees with trunks that need a hacksaw to take down!

Organic Pest Control
There are beneficial insects to combat every plague and dozens of natural sprays that are effective and non-toxic ways to eliminate the pests that damage plants. Chemical bombs and synthetic pesticides have no place in any cannabis garden. Predator mites and ladybugs are simple to acquire through the mail and it’s actually kind of fun to watch them devour their prey – the evil vegetarian bugs that have been feasting on your plants. Smoke a big spliff, get a nice-sized magnifying glass and watch the massacre unfold. It’s like Discovery Channel, but with weed!

Reliable Companies Selling Organic Products
Foxfarm, Advanced Nutrients, General Hydroponics, Canna, Age Old, Earth Juice, Biobizz, Botanicare, Guano-Gro, Maxicrop, Higrocorp, Humboldt Nutrients, Organics Alive, Safer, Technaflora, Atami, Bio Nova, Vita Grow, Alaska, Hydrodynamics, Budswel.
 

Klo$etBreeder

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SUBCOOLS SUPER SOIL

There’s nothing that compares to the flavor of properly grown organic pot: The subtle tastes and aromas created by using only “Mother Earth” are overwhelming to the senses when it’s done properly. As with vegetables, a rich organic soil can bring out the best in cannabis.

Over the past 20 years, I have tried almost every possible way to cultivate our favorite plant. And while hydro is certainly faster and the yields blow soil away, I’ve developed an organic-soil mix that consistently performs extremely well, with very little guesswork involved (i.e., I don’t have to worry about pH or ppms ever).

I spent a few years developing the recipe for this Super Soil mix, and using it in 7-gallon nursery pots, I can run from start to finish adding only plain water. Other than a bit of sweat equity every 90 days or so, using this soil takes a huge amount of the science out of gardening and puts nature back in charge. Also, the recipe is always changing in slight ways as I continue to fine-tune it in my efforts to achieve perfection.

The Base


Start with at least six to eight large bags of high-quality organic soil. This is your base soil—i.e., your regular potting soil without the additives. The selection of your base soil is very important, so don’t cut corners here. I can’t begin to discuss all the different products out there, but I will mention a few in this article. A good organic soil should cost you from $8 to $10 per 30-pound bag. Since I want to give you a very specific idea of what I consider to be a balanced soil, take a look at the ingredients in a product called Roots Organic:
Lignite, coco fiber, perlite, pumice, compost, peat moss, bone meal, bat guano, kelp meal, greensand, soybean meal, leonardite, k-mag, glacial rock dust, alfalfa meal, oyster shell flour, earthworm castings and mycorrhizae.

Another local product we’re trying out now, Harvest Moon, has the following ingredients:
Washed coco fibers, Alaskan peat moss, perlite, yucca, pumice, diatoms, worm castings, feather meal, fishmeal, kelp meal, limestone, gypsum, soybean meal, alfalfa meal, rock dust, yucca meal and mycorrhizae fungi.

So far we’ve found that Roots Organic produces a more floral smell in the finished buds, while Harvest Moon generates larger yields.

If you have access to a good local mix like these, then I highly recommend starting with a product of this type. We’ve also had decent results using commercial brands, but never “as is.” The best results we’ve had to date using a well-known commercial soil has been with Fox Farms’ Ocean Forest soil combined in a 2-to-1 ratio with Light Warrior. Used on its own, Ocean Forest is known for burning plants and having the wrong ratio of nutrients, but when cut with Light Warrior, it makes a pretty good base-soil mix.

You can also just use two bales of Sunshine Mix #4, but this would be my last choice, since plants grown in this mix may not respond well to my “just add water” method of growing.

After choosing your base soil, the Super Soil concentrate is placed in the bottom one-third to one-half of the container and blended with the base soil. (With strains that require high levels of nutrients, we’ll go so far as to fill ¾ of the container with Super Soil, but this is necessary only with a small percentage of strains.) This allows the plants to grow into the concentrated Super Soil layer, which means that in the right size container, they’ll need nothing but water throughout their full cycle. One of the things I like best about this soil mix is that I can drop off plants with patients, and all they have to do is water them when the soil dries out.

Stir It Up


There are several ways to mix these ingredients well. You can sweep up a patio or garage and work there on a tarp, or you can use a plastic wading pool for kids. (These cost about 10 bucks apiece and work really well for a few seasons.) Some growers have been known to rent a cement mixer to cut down on the physical labor. Whatever method you use, all that matters in the end is that you get the ingredients mixed properly.



This can be a lot of work, so be careful not to pull a muscle if you’re not used to strenuous activity. On the other hand, the physical effort involved is good for mind and body, and working with soil has kept me in pretty good shape. But if you have physical limitations, you can simply have someone mix it up for you while you supervise. As far as the proper steps go: Pour a few bags of base soil into your mixing container first, making a mound. Then pour the powdered nutrients in a circle around the mound and cover everything with another bag of base soil. In goes the bat poop and then more base soil. I continue this process of layering soil and additives until everything has been added to the pile.

Now I put on my muck boots, which help me kick the soil around and get it mixed up well using my larger and stronger leg muscles instead of my arms. The rest is simple; as my skipper used to say, “Put your back into it.” This is hard work that I obsess over, even breaking up all the soil clods by hand. I work on the pile for at least 15 minutes, turning the soil over and over until it’s thoroughly mixed.



Then I store my Super Soil in large garbage cans. (And before using any of it, I pour the entire load out and mix it well once more.) Once it’s placed in the cans, I water it slightly—adding three gallons of water to each large garbage can’s worth. Though it makes stirring the soil harder, adding water will activate the mycorrhizae and help all the powders dissolve.

Before Planting


So we’ve added the water, and now we let it cook in the sunshine—30 days is best for this concentrate. Do not put seeds or clones directly into this Super Soil mix or they will burn. This is an advanced recipe to be used in conjunction with base soil. First you place a layer of Super Soil at the bottom of each finishing container; then you layer a bed of base soil on top of the Super Soil concentrate; and then you transplant your fully rooted, established clones into the bed of base soil. As the plants grow, they’ll slowly push their roots through the base soil and into the Super Soil, drawing up all the nutrients they need for a full life cycle. The Super Soil can be also be used to top-dress plants that take longer to mature. I’ll use this mix for a full year.

Buds grown with this method finish with a fade and a smoother, fruitier flavor. The plants aren’t green at harvest time, but rather purple, red, orange, even black—plus the resin content is heavier, and the terpenes always seem more pungent. This method is now being used by medical growers all over the world, and with amazing results. The feedback I’ve received is really positive, including reports of hydro-like growth and novice growers producing buds of the same high quality as lifelong cultivators. So give it a try! You won’t be disappointed.

The Mix


Here are the amounts we’ve found will produce the best-tasting buds and strongest medicines:

8 large bags of a high-quality organic potting soil with coco fiber and mycorrhizae (i.e., your base soil)
25 to 50 lbs of organic worm castings
5 lbs steamed bone meal
5 lbs Bloom bat guano
5 lbs blood meal
3 lbs rock phosphate
¾ cup Epson salts
½ cup sweet lime (dolomite)
½ cup azomite (trace elements)
2 tbsp powdered humic acid

This is the same basic recipe I’ve been using for the past 15 years. The hardest ingredient to acquire are the worm castings (especially since many people don’t even know what they are. FYI: worm poop). But don’t decide to just skip them: Be resourceful. After all, worms comprise up to ¾ of the living organisms found underground, and they’re crucial to holding our planet together. Also, don’t waste money on a “soil conditioner” with worm castings; source out some local pure worm poop with no added mulch.
 

convict156326

Active Member
i screwed up a bunch, but these will be alot better next go round, would have died without the help of quite a few on here, i know their small, and you wouldnt brag on em, but damnit its my first indoor, and i cant wait to taste em, View attachment 1466346View attachment 1466347View attachment 1466348IMG_0275.jpgIMG_0295.jpg

Twog, C-red
the crappy ipod camera, doesnt show the trich justice, they are covered. like sugar strawberries, green sugar strawberries, and blue strawberries.
 

Green Dave

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KB
Have you ever used AN Heavy Harvest ?
I Plant in the big burlap bags filled with
1 bag FFOF
1 bag (cow)
1/3 cup polymer water crystels

No digging just set the bag out where you want to plant
The burlap soakes up morning dew and the roots grow through the sack so no root problems
Found this on another thread on RIU worked out Great
 

rzza

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hic my t-5 fell last night and crushed all the hic fem babies. crushed and burned. FML

i had already placed in the final pots and topped:(
 

dankshizzle

Glassblowing Moderator
hic my t-5 fell last night and crushed all the hic fem babies. crushed and burned. FML

i had already placed in the final pots and topped:(
Yo yos? And shouldn't it be called in-doh not chron-doh.. sounds less like 9th grader made it up.

Are you air cooling ur hood?
 

rzza

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dank, actually the ceiling fell in LOL

it was only attached to a ceiling tile and it fell finally.

not air cooling, its a t5. i air cool the 1k hps's.
i didnt say chron, where did you see that?
 
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