Michigan Medical Marijuana Act & Rules

We need to grow it between the squash and the corn.

There are members of other groups, who some do not want mentioned, that are actively engaged. For instance, one of those organizations has a representative appointed to the new conditions panel. Last summer members of several groups testified, wrote, and called to stop the harsh bills in Lansing that would have seriously restricted the protection of the law. One group had a hired lobbyist. It became a central effort by those groups, and a number of the more prominent groups released a letter, signed by all, to the legislature for the same purpose. There is some under the radar cooperation among people in those groups, to include professionals in their fields. Did anyone here bother to contribute? If not, you have options. Pull something together here, or find organizations you are comfortable enough to work with. An informed individual effort works nicely too. Putting letters in the public comment files in legislative committees is a marvelous touch. Wasting half an hour of your Senator's or Representative's or Governor's staff time, or better if you can buttonhole the rep, is always pleasant conversation. Imagine passing one between the two of you. Standing outside the capitol is always amusing, and there was the '08 election. These are only several of the many ways to contribute to the process.

It's that or sit it out. Anyone choosing to do that should not make immature comments or sharpshoot from the cheap seats.

FYI, The illegal transport law, Public Act 460, is going to court using the Koon decision as a defense in the 82nd District Court in West Branch.

Tread carefully guys. An appeals court in michigan has ruled that pot brownies (and any type of extract) is NOT usable marijuana that is included as part of your limit. This means oil, cannabutter, candy, brownies, and virtually anything that is not literally made from flowers and leaves is flat out illegal. This means pot brownies are illegal for everyone including legal medical patients.

I know it's totally asinine and doesn't make any sense, but some guy went to jail this month over it. That is where the ruling came from.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2013/07/pot_brownies_not_usable_under.html

It's just one hoop after another makes me pissed sometimes.

beuffer420 said:

It's just one hoop after another makes me pissed sometimes.

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C'est la guerre. Hang tough.

guy incognito said:

Tread carefully guys. An appeals court in michigan has ruled that pot brownies (and any type of extract) is NOT usable marijuana that is included as part of your limit. This means oil, cannabutter, candy, brownies, and virtually anything that is not literally made from flowers and leaves is flat out illegal. This means pot brownies are illegal for everyone including legal medical patients.

I know it's totally asinine and doesn't make any sense, but some guy went to jail this month over it. That is where the ruling came from.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2013/07/pot_brownies_not_usable_under.html

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Some of us have come to regard the Affirmative Defense more closely because medibles are permitted under that section of law, and any charges that arise from that are required to be dismissed as long as you have your ducks in a row. I plan to insert and recommend a non disclosure clause to the following agreement to protect both patient and caregiver from loose talk. It is not intended to be sent to the state. Keep it under the radar. You may have to go to court, but this keeps you out of prison.

Patient/Caregiver Agreement to Engage in the Medical Use of Marijuana

I,______________________________________, swear and affirm that I am a patient under the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act, Initiated Law 1 of 2008.

__Dr._____________________________, a physician authorized under Part 170 of the public health code, 1978 PA 368, MCL 333.17001 to 333.17084, or an osteopathic physician under Part 175 of the public health code, 1978 PA 368, MCL 333.17501 to 333.17556, license I.D. number____________________, and dated___________________________has stated that in the physician's professional opinion, and after having completed a full assessment of the patient's medical history and current medical condition made in the course of a bona fide physician-patient relationship, that I am likely to receive therapeutic or palliative benefit from the medical use of marihuana to treat or alleviate the debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated with the debilitating medical condition (copy attached) .

or:

__A registry card duly issued by the State of Michigan Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs (LARA) , number______________________(copy attached), has been issued to me which attests to a physician's recommendation that in the physician's professional opinion, and after having completed a full assessment of my medical history and current medical condition made in the course of a bona fide physician-patient relationship, I am likely to receive therapeutic or palliative benefit from the medical use of marihuana to treat or alleviate the debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated with the debilitating medical condition.

I hereby designate_______________________________ as my caregiver under that law, and agree to conform with the Act in the medical use of marijuana.

I,______________________________________, swear and affirm that I am at least 21 years of age and have agreed to assist with the above named patient's medical use of marijuana. I have not been convicted of any felony within the past 10 years and have never been convicted of a felony involving illegal drugs or a felony that is an assaultive crime as defined in section 9a of chapter X of the code of criminal procedure, 1927 PA 175, MCL 770.9a.

Signed this date:____________________________

Patient sign here:_____________________________

Signed this date:___________________________

Caregiver sign here:________________________________

/s/_________________________________

Print Notary Name:_____________________________________

Notary public, State of Michigan, County of _____________________.

My commission expires: __________________.

Acting in the County of ___________________.

Supporting documents are here: https://sites.google...attredirects=0, and here
https://sites.google...?attredirects=0

GregS said:

Some of us have come to regard the Affirmative Defense more closely because medibles are permitted under that section of law, and any charges that arise from that are required to be dismissed as long as you have your ducks in a row. I plan to insert and recommend a non disclosure clause to the following agreement to protect both patient and caregiver from loose talk. It is not intended to be sent to the state. Keep it under the radar. You may have to go to court, but this keeps you out of prison.

Patient/Caregiver Agreement to Engage in the Medical Use of Marijuana

I,______________________________________, swear and affirm that I am a patient under the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act, Initiated Law 1 of 2008.

__Dr._____________________________, a physician authorized under Part 170 of the public health code, 1978 PA 368, MCL 333.17001 to 333.17084, or an osteopathic physician under Part 175 of the public health code, 1978 PA 368, MCL 333.17501 to 333.17556, license I.D. number____________________, and dated___________________________has stated that in the physician's professional opinion, and after having completed a full assessment of the patient's medical history and current medical condition made in the course of a bona fide physician-patient relationship, that I am likely to receive therapeutic or palliative benefit from the medical use of marihuana to treat or alleviate the debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated with the debilitating medical condition (copy attached) .

or:

__A registry card duly issued by the State of Michigan Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs (LARA) , number______________________(copy attached), has been issued to me which attests to a physician's recommendation that in the physician's professional opinion, and after having completed a full assessment of my medical history and current medical condition made in the course of a bona fide physician-patient relationship, I am likely to receive therapeutic or palliative benefit from the medical use of marihuana to treat or alleviate the debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated with the debilitating medical condition.

I hereby designate_______________________________ as my caregiver under that law, and agree to conform with the Act in the medical use of marijuana.

I,______________________________________, swear and affirm that I am at least 21 years of age and have agreed to assist with the above named patient's medical use of marijuana. I have not been convicted of any felony within the past 10 years and have never been convicted of a felony involving illegal drugs or a felony that is an assaultive crime as defined in section 9a of chapter X of the code of criminal procedure, 1927 PA 175, MCL 770.9a.

Signed this date:____________________________

Patient sign here:_____________________________

Signed this date:___________________________

Caregiver sign here:________________________________

/s/_________________________________

Print Notary Name:_____________________________________

Notary public, State of Michigan, County of _____________________.

My commission expires: __________________.

Acting in the County of ___________________.

Supporting documents are here: https://sites.google...attredirects=0, and here
https://sites.google...?attredirects=0

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I showed this to an attorney friend of mine. Not only does he not agree, he is thinking of reporting you for practicing law without a license. Your statement in Bold is clearly unqualified legal advice.

He can do with it what he wants, but is rather pissed. Stay in your own wheelhouse Greg.

Dr. Bob

Dr. Bob said:

I showed this to an attorney friend of mine. Not only does he not agree, he is thinking of reporting you for practicing law without a license. Your statement in Bold is clearly unqualified legal advice.

He can do with it what he wants, but is rather pissed. Stay in your own wheelhouse Greg.

Dr. Bob

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Pfft. This is not practicing law. My remarks are no more practicing law than yours. I make no money from discussing these matters and have first amendment protection. There is no one engaged with me as a client, which is required to prove your assertion. You will be laughed out of court just as you were with the silly slander (or was it libel?) suit you brought. I have never claimed to be anything more than another bozo on the bus. Please see the disclaimer, viz., patient acknowledgement, in the supporting documents.

I will rephrase to say "can" keep you from prison. Heaven forbid that informed patients and caregivers can work in their own behalf to minimize lawyer fees and enjoy the full protection of the law.

Pot doc is as pot doc does.

And please see and keep up with the most current draft of the agreement: https://www.rollitup.org/michigan-patients/694887-new-activist-funding-plan-6.html#post9434635

Wtf happened to my post? If your going to delete my posts then delete my account asshole.

Corso312 said:

Wtf happened to my post? If your going to delete my posts then delete my account asshole.

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They delete all kinds of shit on this forum anymore. It's out of control.

gladstoned said:

They delete all kinds of shit on this forum anymore. It's out of control.

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actually its the users that are out of control with slanders like "fuck you you fucking cunts" ect those posts are in the right to be deleted,

That's bullshit sunni. All kinds of posts are missing. Not only ones with swearing.

gladstoned said:

That's bullshit sunni. All kinds of posts are missing. Not only ones with swearing.

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ill look it over but last one i seen that corso was talking about was a rude offensive foul languaged post directed at another member so there was reason for it to be deleted,

There were several posts deleted yesterday from the belle and glad thread also. Wasn't any cussing toward other members on that thread.
Lots of my grow threads were molested, nothing offensive in those either.
I'm not saying you are deleting it all, I am saying there is a lot of deleting going on. It's bullshit.

gladstoned said:

There were several posts deleted yesterday from the belle and glad thread also. Wasn't any cussing toward other members on that thread.
Lots of my grow threads were molested, nothing offensive in those either.
I'm not saying you are deleting it all, I am saying there is a lot of deleting going on. It's bullshit.

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damn right, lol i barely dabble in this section except to close selling threads really but ill take a look over and give you a response back as to why so that you know

It must be subcool playing the mod again lmao

Subcool has his own sub-forum to abuse and manipulate. I think we have established he has no say so in the michigan forum.
It's just as foolish for me to keep complaining about the mod(s) messing with the threads here. It won't stop.
I hurt someone's feelings along the way and they will continue to tamper with my shit until I've had enough and leave.
There isn't much room in between. I liked doing my journals here because I used them as reference for myself and other patients.
I can no longer trust this site, and frankly there's nothing I can do about it. It's just annoying having some gutless little bitch going
through my posts and threads and messing with them, without explaining why. Oh well. The world keeps spinning, regardless of my grow
journals.

GregS said:

Some of us have come to regard the Affirmative Defense more closely because medibles are permitted under that section of law, and any charges that arise from that are required to be dismissed as long as you have your ducks in a row. I plan to insert and recommend a non disclosure clause to the following agreement to protect both patient and caregiver from loose talk. It is not intended to be sent to the state. Keep it under the radar. You may have to go to court, but this keeps you out of prison.
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Well the court disagrees with you and has already issued a ruling and sentenced Mr. Chambers to 33 days in jail and 3 years probation.

guy incognito said:

Well the court disagrees with you and has already issued a ruling and sentenced Mr. Chambers to 33 days in jail and 3 years probation.

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Gaming the system never turns out well if this was an example of GregS's section 8 scheme.