Micronized organic nutes
Tree Skier
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Awesome stuff, dude. I've heard nothing but good things about CWO Bud Bread. I can't wait to try it. Website is really cool.
greasemonkeymann
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judging from their website i'd say you can do much better for less
besides, cannabis doesn't need specific nutrients, so that on it's own is a red flag.
not to mention you don't need "micronized" anything
you need microbial life, and bottled nutrients doesn't help much there.
if you want to do organics, you need soil, and a source of fresh microbes
wormbin/compost etc.
concentrate on that, fuck the "specific" nutrients
fuck the "grow" nutes and "bloom" nutes
OR
you could buy their products.. i'm sure they'd be happy to sell you three or four different bottles at 25 bucks a pop.
just lookin out for ya my man
Tree Skier
Active Member
The micronized is just so that you can mix it with water.
greasemonkeymann
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no i got it man, i'm just saying that's hydroponics, not natural organic grows.
they are completely different, the only advantage of a grow that is using water to deliver the nutrients (the very definition of hydroponics) is that you don't need the microbial life there to have the nutrients useable.
so to combine that with a supposed "organic" grow makes no sense.
organic nutrients aren't chelated, so that means the ONLY thing that will make the nutrients available is the microbial life, and that needs soil, and it needs humus, and it needs a fresh supply of it.
so all those, in conjunction with the straight-up silly marketing (really? you need a nutrient for transplanting?) and it's a clear marketing thing directed towards newer cannabis growers.
which is annoying to me, because not only do they misrepresent the facts, but often misled the newer grower into thinking they NEED those things..
which sadly not only makes them money, but simply rips off the grower.
past that, my altruistic nature has issues with needing plastic bottles to grow anything...
make a compost (it's fun as is good for the world), make a wormbin (also fun and good for the world)
don't buy nutrients past a couple simple dry organic meals that are CHEAP
more work sure, but better results by far, and cheaper to boot
Rasta Roy
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And the choir sang amen!
Tree Skier
Active Member
You make some valid points but irrigation often takes place in soil environments and it's a convenient way of delivering nutes. Moreover, even in a hydroponic environment, there's plenty of biological activity in the rhizosphere. Plants couldn't survive without it. And carbon-based, organic nutes help feed that biology. For what it's worth, I agree that a rich soil is the best foundation but you still need to add some nutes or, eventually, you mine all the goodness out.
I was looking for an opinion of someone who's tried the product, but fuck it this is great! Thanks guys for your time!
Seems to me there's team nutes and team soil at play, which is kinda ironic since the company's name is COLD WAR organics
greasemonkeymann, your opinion is valid and your input is very helpful, but what about those of us who don't have the space or the time to make our own compost and worm bins? I do my part and try to live without fucking up the world too much with plastic, etc., but where do I draw the line? Should I start making my own toothpaste and toilet paper too?
I get the point on marketing, but somehow these guys seems more real to me than the obviously rip-off giants like Advanced Nutrients and such. I contacted the company with a few questions, will see if I get a reply. I'm not a farmer and just wanna grow my own...organically with the knowledge of what goes into my body. I spent a bit more time on their site and the ingredients seem legit - no urea and such shit. There's a number of dudes on tweeter who stand by it, even post pix. Maybe I'll just get a jar of Bud Bread and see what's up? Thanks again everyone.
Seems to me there's team nutes and team soil at play, which is kinda ironic since the company's name is COLD WAR organics
greasemonkeymann, your opinion is valid and your input is very helpful, but what about those of us who don't have the space or the time to make our own compost and worm bins? I do my part and try to live without fucking up the world too much with plastic, etc., but where do I draw the line? Should I start making my own toothpaste and toilet paper too?
I get the point on marketing, but somehow these guys seems more real to me than the obviously rip-off giants like Advanced Nutrients and such. I contacted the company with a few questions, will see if I get a reply. I'm not a farmer and just wanna grow my own...organically with the knowledge of what goes into my body. I spent a bit more time on their site and the ingredients seem legit - no urea and such shit. There's a number of dudes on tweeter who stand by it, even post pix. Maybe I'll just get a jar of Bud Bread and see what's up? Thanks again everyone.
greasemonkeymann
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of course!
but what do you think is in that compost and worm casting?
and consider that the amount of compost and/or castings in a organic mix is much higher
a leaf based compost is higher in macro/micro value than most animal manures..
you believe that?
amazing.
but when you think of it, makes perfect sense,what feeds those trees each yr?
how does a forest stay green yr after yr, after yr?
simple, the tree uses it's own detritus, it sloughs off leaves each fall, gets rained on, the leaves degrade into rich nutrient filled humus, that is "re-used" each and every yr, for essentially forever.
i agree, chelated nutrients are easier to deliver nutrients, but the happy-dance of dealing with ppms, undissolved salts, constant ph'ing..
fuck all that, i prefer to make the soil, setup a blumat watering system, and be done with it, i add nothing except shredded comfrey as a topdress.
but the soil has absolutely everything you could ever want in it.
and the results are twice as good as any other way I've grown.
I wish a grower would have told me this back in the 90s when i started.
Tree Skier
Active Member
For those of us who are lucky enough to have access to vermicompost, you're absolutely right.
greasemonkeymann
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i feel ya man, and i get it, i grew in an apartment for years, and a compost wouldn't have been an option, even if i knew about it (which at the time i didn't)I was looking for an opinion of someone who's tried the product, but fuck it this is great! Thanks guys for your time!
Seems to me there's team nutes and team soil at play, which is kinda ironic since the company's name is COLD WAR organics
greasemonkeymann, your opinion is valid and your input is very helpful, but what about those of us who don't have the space or the time to make our own compost and worm bins? I do my part and try to live without fucking up the world too much with plastic, etc., but where do I draw the line? Should I start making my own toothpaste and toilet paper too?
I get the point on marketing, but somehow these guys seems more real to me than the obviously rip-off giants like Advanced Nutrients and such. I contacted the company with a few questions, will see if I get a reply. I'm not a farmer and just wanna grow my own...organically with the knowledge of what goes into my body. I spent a bit more time on their site and the ingredients seem legit - no urea and such shit. There's a number of dudes on tweeter who stand by it, even post pix. Maybe I'll just get a jar of Bud Bread and see what's up? Thanks again everyone.
but there's a vaaaast difference between making your own soil and making your own toothpaste...
if you want to grow organically you can easily do so without bottles of anything.
if interested i'll be happy to elaborate.
or you could go buy their "lineup" of nutrients.
But i guarantee if you do just a speck of research you may change your mind.
Like i said, you do NOT need cannabis specific nutrients, you do NOT need "flower" and "vege" specific nutrients
cannabis grows no differently than regular plants, nothing specific to them is required at all.
i'm not trying to sound preachy, it makes no difference to me, I've just seen too many "organic" growers that use bottled nutrients and don't get the results they wanted, and then they get discouraged.. and go back to chelated grows, which ARE bad for the world..
in order to truly unlock the massive potential of plants a true natural organic grow is needed.
that is my point, a bottled organic grow won't hold a candle to a natural grow.
Tree Skier
Active Member
NeboMMX, Let me know what you think of the Bud Bread after you've tried it.
greasemonkeymann
Well-Known Member
you can make a tiny wormbin, under your kitchen sink, no smells (if you do it right).
get a 15 or 20 gallon smartpot, fill it a quarter of the way with old soil, and a qtr of either peat or whatnot, get 20 bucks of reds from uncle jims, and you are done.
give them only frozen and then rethawed fruits/veggies, dig a hole in the bin, plop their thawed food in the hole, cover it up, and depending on the amount of worms you start with, they'll devour it quicker than you think.
easy man, and it's sorta fun
if ya have kids they love it
greasemonkeymann
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one thing to mention is that much of the nitrogen in that isn't SOLUBLE...
sooo... repeatedly adding non-soluble nutrients can lead to issues...
i'm not trying to throw shade your way man
like i said, i have no horse in this race, i'm simply tryin to add information to the discussion that i wish i would have been exposed to years ago.
Tree Skier
Active Member
Insoluble N = protein = food for biology = healthy plants.
^^^^THAT^^^^^
Or, what I do that requires only 2'x3' of space in a corner somewhere. It's 2 Rubbermaid 18gal totes as bins, but everything else pretty much as GMM outlined. Still have the first one from 7 years ago.
redwormcomposting.com has all sorts of info on this and other DIY wormbins
Even if you can't do a compost pile, there should be an empty corner that will hold a wormbin.
IMO, the no.1 most significant thing you can do AFA growing goes. A compost pile rates a close #2. Some would switch the 2 and that's ok, but everyone has room for a wormbin. Even in an apt.
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greasemonkeymann
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umm.. ok man.
i don't think you are following me here.
adding frequent insoluble nutrients will build up in the media.
the microbes aren't going to metabolize that, not in the amounts you are adding.
and not in the time allotted for growth, cycling nutrients takes time...
having "micronized" nutrients that aren't soluble??
I'm not here to argue, if you want to use it, go ahead.
makes no difference to me at all
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