Midnight raid in Commerce Township

Winter Woman said:

No problem, I just didn't want things to be misunderstood. Hope you didn't think I was complaining. I wasn't.

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No I didn't think that at all, that wasn't directed towards you WW.

What I'm not understanding (and I know very little of the nuances of Cali state law on mmj), is that if no charges were filed and no one was arrested, the cops were only investigating POSSIBLE violations, why then were the plants taken instead of counted and documented?
If no crime was committed at that time, there was no cause to even take them.
Should there not have been a investigator on scene, well versed in the laws RE MMJ? Should that investigator not have made the decision that a violation had in fact been committed and someone arrested before taking the plants?

DING, DING, DING, we have a winner!!! Exactly, now we need is some very good attorneys to take up the cause.

Jack Harer said:

What I'm not understanding (and I know very little of the nuances of Cali state law on mmj), is that if no charges were filed and no one was arrested, the cops were only investigating POSSIBLE violations, why then were the plants taken instead of counted and documented?
If no crime was committed at that time, there was no cause to even take them.
Should there not have been a investigator on scene, well versed in the laws RE MMJ? Should that investigator not have made the decision that a violation had in fact been committed and someone arrested before taking the plants?

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Exactly. There should be a major lawsuit in the works against Oakland Co.

I wonder if Neil Fink would take these cases? He is one of the best rights lawyers in the state. He teaches at Wayne State. Primo for sure.

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As worthless as they are, I would THINK the ACLU would be all over this. It should be high profile enough for them. Lots of press if they were to spin this right. It's about time we heard something from them. They only pick and choose really high profile/High press cases tho...... Really not so much about civil liberties anymore.

I know everyone is scrambling just to cover their own asses in that uncertain environment, but has there been any effort to organize the co-ops, growers, or SOME group into a large voting bloc? Unionize the growers or something?? Even the Medical Users would be a formidable bloc of voters if they were to organize.

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won't represent cases that violate fed law.

So........Screw them, I would think that something can be done. Politicians fear and respect voting power. How many registered card holders are there out there in Cali? I would think that their voting power would carry a good deal of clout if they were organized. Even at the State and local level.

Give your MI State Rep and Senator a call and make an appointment to see them face to face.

Jack Harer said:

So........Screw them, I would think that something can be done. Politicians fear and respect voting power. How many registered card holders are there out there in Cali? I would think that their voting power would carry a good deal of clout if they were organized. Even at the State and local level.

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researchkitty said:

I've got 240 flowering right now. Fuck em!

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Winter Woman said:

Wow, playing with fire.

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I do believe she's Canadian. They're much more intelligent, reasonable, and progressive up there in Canada, so it's not quite playing with fire. It's a shame the US is no longer a progressive country, because the opposite of progressive is regressive. Soon the right is going to have us regress all the way back to the dark ages.

Winter Woman said:

Give your MI State Rep and Senator a call and make an appointment to see them face to face.

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Believe me, If I lived in MI, or any other legal state, I'd be one organizing MF!!

I don't know all the details but what do they expect if they've got 500 plants in on building?

I would expect that if I was in compliance with all state and local laws to be left the fuck alone!!

I would think that the guys/gals involved would be certain that everything was in compliance with all i's dotted and t's crossed. If they didn't do that, then they have nothing coming. I realize that the legal situation out there is very fluid, and nobody is really sure of whats going on exactly. That being the case, one would think that the cops would be certain of their position before they acted. Maybe it's gonna take a few lawsuits to get their attention. The law is SUPPOSED to weigh in favor of the defendant/plaintiff if no proof of wrongdoing is present.

It is my impression that if you have a duplex or rental space with a common front door and once inside there are separate entrances to each or rental space, are they not considered a separate domain. And as such each space would need a separate warrant/subpena, as long as all doors are closed and locked. But, if they had their doors open then it would be fair game.

Isn't this what the landlord was working on in theory? I know that it has held up on court in regards to apartments and duplex and such. And if it was a mini-storage they'd have to have separate paperwork for that too.

Just a little buzzed up and wondering out loud.

I can't imagine anyone with an op like that would not have every single base covered, especially in Oakland Co.

Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress, comes to mind. I sued over it and won a landmark case...

Infliction Of Emotional Distress
When one person purposefully engages in behavior that is intended to and does cause severe mental anguish in another, he or she is subject to the laws regarding the intentional infliction of emotional distress. There are several factors which determine the extent to which a perpetrator may be liable in such a claim. First, the wrongdoer's behavior must be deemed as extreme and outrageous. If a person of average temperament would suffer emotional distress caused by the wrongdoer's actions, then those actions can be deemed as "outrageous." Consideration would also need to be taken for those individuals whose temperament is more sensitive or high-strung: in cases such as this, the standard for outrageousness can be lowered. Second, it must be done intentionally to cause emotional distress or with reckless disregard to such a consideration. Third, it is also helpful if the victim can show other non-emotional damages such as loss of gainful employment.

Retraction due to my ignorance.

Milo, I believe the intention here is to provide a place for those who are legally allowed to grow a place to do that when they have no place (safe) to do so. It's a great idea. Kinda like a storage facility is to store shit you aint got space for. A safe, secure place where you can grow your own meds. I can see where a co-op would come up with that. The next natural progression of that wiould be a commercial grow area. High security, controlled entry,ensure that everyone is in compliance, maybe even a shop to sell nutes, lights etc. Even a facility retained attorney and bondsman. I can see that happening.

woodsmantoker said:

Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress, comes to mind. I sued over it and won a landmark case...

Infliction Of Emotional Distress
When one person purposefully engages in behavior that is intended to and does cause severe mental anguish in another, he or she is subject to the laws regarding the intentional infliction of emotional distress. There are several factors which determine the extent to which a perpetrator may be liable in such a claim. First, the wrongdoer's behavior must be deemed as extreme and outrageous. If a person of average temperament would suffer emotional distress caused by the wrongdoer's actions, then those actions can be deemed as "outrageous." Consideration would also need to be taken for those individuals whose temperament is more sensitive or high-strung: in cases such as this, the standard for outrageousness can be lowered. Second, it must be done intentionally to cause emotional distress or with reckless disregard to such a consideration. Third, it is also helpful if the victim can show other non-emotional damages such as loss of gainful employment.

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Would being a law abiding, tax paying, employed with the same company here in michigan for twentyfive year citizen never in trouble with the law until I became legally protected to grow my own affordable medication, only to have my attorney general decree otherwise, so that now im nothing but a pot profiteering criminal intent on destroying michigan and all of her children the second I made the choice to dupe the voters and took advantage of the sick when I became "legal" and was afforded the laws "protections", only to find out the trade off my end up being put on a state police list like a petophile, except remember i'm a law abiding citizen. Does that count as emotional distress?