Milky or Amber ?

resinousflowers

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fake couch lock or not,some ppl like that feeling.plus when to harvest is all a matter of choice.for example,some ppl might find cannabis too strong when harvested at peak level.so some harvest a little earlier or later.also some breeders recommend you harvest a little later to get the full potentail from certain strains.
 

Brick Top

New Member
fake couch lock or not,some ppl like that feeling.plus when to harvest is all a matter of choice.for example,some ppl might find cannabis too strong when harvested at peak level.so some harvest a little earlier or later.also some breeders recommend you harvest a little later to get the full potentail from certain strains.
What it all boils down to is making better strain choices. Why pick a strain that is among the highest in THC levels when as you put it; "some ppl might find cannabis too strong when harvested at peak level," and also the higher the level of THC the lower the level of CBD will be and if someone likes couch-lock what they really like is CBD, not CBN.

Why pick a strain that does not have the genetics to give someone what they want and then grow it past it's prime to weaken it so it is not; "too strong when harvested at peak level"?

What happens all the time is people make poor choices in what strains they pick and then attempt to play ganja alchemist and turn them into something other than what they genetically are.

If someone is going to grow a high THC strain and then intentionally weaken it to get increased levels of CBN wouldn't it make more sense to just pick a strain that has less THC to begin with but that also has higher levels of CBD and harvest it at it's peak?

That seems far more logical to me than what many people do.
 

Medi 1

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cbd is not couch lock, its the degraded thc to cbn...is why amber is couch lock..amber is last and so is cbn.
 

krok

Active Member
cbd is not vcouch lock, its the degraded thc to cbn...is why amber is couch lock..amber is last and so is cbn.
Just to let you know you have it wrong.

It's true, the world now thinks CBN-dullness is true couch-lock. What the fuck happened?
 

cmt1984

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i like the high the best with the minimal amount of amber trichs...when i see a few, i chop.

different strokes, for different folks.
 

Medi 1

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actualy its not me then that has it wrong, its Dr Hornby, the leading researcher in testing for this. so ill pass that on to him tomrrow at work that he dont know what hes doing still after 40 years of it.
 

krok

Active Member
actualy its not me then that has it wrong, its Dr Hornby, the leading researcher in testing for this. so ill pass that on to him tomrrow at work that he dont know what hes doing still after 40 years of it.
Don't worry, I'm not understanding what I'm arguing either (really!). I am simply speaking from experience.

All I know is that there IS something called harvesting too late, because I've done it myself. It sucks after the cure. After a little googling, I figured this was because most of the real cannabinoids like CBD broke down into more boring CBNs by oxygen while curing. But I'm still not sure.

But then I KNEW, harvesting at 50% amber is just silly. I've done it 2 times with 3 different Indicas, and it really destroys the couchlock. The real couchlock was not there, instead a short buzz.

Then, to my surprise I found the couchlock-feeling I wanted in an early sample. After that, I started harvesting when I first see amber - not at 50/50. Problem solved, and I'm happy today.

In my view, true couchlock lasts for HOURS. And my own overripe buds only buzzed for 15 mintues. Something BAD happened during curing. Not once, but 2 different harvests.

So I'm just trowing out torches hoping someone with knowlegde will answer because of the fire... so you see, I'm just as stupid as everyone else.

There is people with the knowlegde out there, but because of the illegal nature of this "hobby" most of it is not science-backed but experience-backed. So It's WE, not the Professors that has to figure this out for now.
 

Brick Top

New Member
cbd is not couch lock, its the degraded thc to cbn...is why amber is couch lock..amber is last and so is cbn.
No, you are wrong. CBN is only what couch-lock lovers have been forced to turn to, forced to accept for as close to a couch-lock stone as they can get because 'The Dutch Masters' have almost totally bred CBD out of modern strains.
 

Medi 1

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i guess we see couch lock high differently is all. we all have diff recepotors to have the diff effects. when i smoke amber im couch locked or feel all dopey n burnt out. espe3cialy after a nap from smokjing it. to me thats couch lock.
here some other info


The Active Ingredients Of Cannabis

Cannabis products include marijuana, hashish, and hashish oil.

THC (Tetrahydrocannabinol) gets a user high, a larger THC content will produce a stronger high. Without THC you don't get high.

CBD (Cannabidiol) increases some of the effects of THC and decreases other effects of THC. High levels of THC and low levels of CBD contribute to a strong, clear headed, more energetic high.
Cannabis that has a high level of both THC and CBD will produce a strong head-stone that feels almost dreamlike. Cannabis that has low levels of THC and high levels of CBD produces more of a stoned feeling. The mind feels dull and the body feels tired.

CBN (Cannabinol) is produced as THC ages and breaks down, this process is known as oxidization. High levels of CBN tend to make the user feel messed up rather than high.
CBN levels can be kept to a minimum by storing cannabis products in a dark, cool, airtight environment. Marijuana should be dry prior to storage, and may have to be dried again after being stored somewhere that is humid.

THCV (Tetrahydrocannabivarin) is found primarily in strains of African and Asian cannabis. THCV increases the speed and intensity of THC effects, but also causes the high to end sooner. Weed that smells strong (prior to smoking) might indicate a high level of THCV.

CBC (Cannabichromene) is probably not psychoactive in pure form but is thought to interact with THC to enhance the high.

CBL (Cannabicyclol) is a degradative product like CBN. Light converts CBC to CBL.
If you are a grower, you can experiment with different strains of cannabis to produce the various qualities you seek. A medical user looking for something with sleep inducing properties might want to produce a crop that has high levels of CBD.
Another user looking for a more energetic high will want to grow a strain that has high levels of THC and low levels of CBD. In general, Cannabis sativa has lower levels of CBD and higher levels of THC. Cannabis indica has higher amounts of CBD and lower amounts of THC than sativa. See marijuana strains.​



by mel frank.....


Cannabis is unique in many ways. Of all plants, it is the only genus known to produce chemical substances known as herbal cannabinoids. These cannabinoids are the psychoactive ingredients of marijuana; they are what get you high, buzzed, or stoned. By 1974, there were 37 naturally occurring cannabinoids that had been discovered.
There are 3 types of cannabinoids:
--- Herbal: occur naturally only in the cannabis plant
--- Endogenous: occur naturally in humans and other animals
--- Synthetic: cannabinoids produced in a lab
Most of the cannabinoids appear in very small amounts (less than .01 percent of total cannabinoids) and are not considered psychoactive, or else not important to the high. Many are simply homologues or analogues (similar structure or function) to the few major cannabinoids which are listed.
There are several numbering systems used for cannabinoids. The system used here is based on formal chemical rules for numbering pyran compounds (any of a class of organic compounds of the heterocyclic series in which five carbon atoms and one oxygen atom are present in a ring structure). Another common system is used more by Europeans and is based on a monoterpenoid system which is more useful considering the biogenesis of the compound.




Tetrahydrocannabinol - THC

Delta 9-trans-tetrahydrocannabinol - delta-9 THC is the main psychotomimetic (mindbending) ingredient of marijuana. Estimates state that 70 to 100 percent of the marijuana high results from the delta-9 THC present. It occurs in almost all cannabis in concentrations that vary from traces to about 95 percent of all the cannabinoids in the sample.
In very potent strains, carefully prepared marijuana can be 30 percent delta-9 THC by dry weight (seeds and stems removed from flowering buds). Buds are the popular name given to masses of female flowers that form distinct clusters.
Delta 8-trans-tetrahydrocannabinol - delta-8 THC is reported in low concentration, less than one percent of the delta-9 THC present. Its activity is slightly less than that of delta-9 THC. It may be an artefact of the extraction/analysis process. Almost everyone who uses the term THC, refers to delta-9 THC and delta-8 THC combined, as THC.

Cannabidiol - CBD

Cannabidiol - CBD also occurs in almost all strains. Concentration range from none, to about 95 percent of the total cannabinoids present. THC and CBD are the two most abundant naturally occurring cannabinoids. CBD is not psychotomimetic in the pure form, although it does have sedative, analgesic, and antibiotic properties.
In order for CBD to affect the high, THC must be present in quantities ordinarily psychoactive. CBD can contribute to the high by interacting with THC to potentiate (enhance) or antagonize (interfere or lessen) certain qualities of the high.
CBD appears to potentiate the depressant effects of THC and antagonize is excitatory effects. CBD also delays the onset of the high but can make it last considerably longer (as much as twice as long). The kind of grass that takes a while to come on but keeps coming on.
Opinions are conflicting as to whether it increases or decreases the intensity of the high, intensity and high being difficult to define. Terms such as knock-out or sleepy, dreamlike, or melancholic are often used to describe the high from grass with sizeable proportions of CBD and THC.
When only small amounts of THC are present with high proportions of CBD, the high is more of a buzz, and the mind feels dull and the body de-energized.

Cannabinol - CBN

Cannabinol - CBN is not produced by the plant per se. It is the degradation (oxidative) product of THC. Fresh samples of marijuana contain very little CBN but curing, poor storage, or processing such as when making hashish, can cause much of the THC to be oxidized to CBN. Pure forms of CBN have at most 10 percent of the psychoactivity of THC.
Like CBD, it is suspected of potentiating certain aspects of the high, although so far these effects appear to be slight. CBN seems to potentiate THC's disorienting qualities. One may feel more dizzy or drugged or generally messed up but not necessarily higher.
In fact, with a high proportion of CBN, the high may start well but feels as if it never quite reaches its peak, and when coming down one feels tired or sleepy. High CBN in homegrown grass is not desirable since it represents a loss of 90 percent of the psychoactivity of its precursor THC.​

Tetrahydrocannabivarin - THCV

Tetrahydrocannabivarin - THCV or THV is the propyl homologue of THC. In the aromatic ring the usual five-carbon pentyl is replaced by a short three-carbon propyl chain. The propyl cannabinoids have so far been found in some strains originating from Southeast and Central Asia and parts of Africa.
In one study, THCV made up to 48.23 percent (Afghanistan strain) and 53.69 percent (South Africa) of the cannabinoids found. We've seen no reports on its activity in humans. From animal studies it appears to be much faster in onset and quicker to dissipate than THC. It may be the constituent of one or two toke grass, but its activity appears to be somewhat less than that of THC. Some people use the term THC to refer collectively to delta-9 THC, delta-8 THC, and THCV.
An interesting note is that people who have a prescription for Marinol (synthetic medical THC) may be tested for THCV. Marinol contains no THCV, if a person tests positive it means they have been using marijuana, or another cannabis product. This is usually sufficient grounds to terminate the prescription of a person who has signed a contract not to ingest any cannabis while taking Marinol.

Cannabichromene - CBC

Cannabichromene - CBC is another major cannabinoid, although it is found in smaller concentrations than CBD and THC. It was previously believed that is was a minor constituent, but more exacting analysis showed that the compound often reported as CBD may actually be CBC.
Relative to THC and CBD, its concentration in the plants is low, probably not exceeding 20 percent of total cannabinoids. CBC is believed not to be psychotomimetic in humans; however, its presence in plants is purportedly very potent has led to the suspicion that it may be interacting with THC to enhance the high.

Cannabicyclol - CBL

Cannabicyclol (CBL) is a degradative product like CBN. During extraction, light converts CBC to CBL. There are no reports on its activity in humans, and it is found in small amounts, if at all, in fresh plant material.

Cannabinoids And The High

The marijuana high is a complex experience. It involves a wide range of psychical, physical, and emotional responses. The high is a subjective experience based in the individual and one's personality, mood, disposition, and experience with the drug.
Given the person, the intensity of the high depends primarily on the amount of THC present in the marijuana. Delta-9 THC is the main ingredient of marijuana and must be present in sufficient quantities for a good marijuana high.
People who smoke grass that has very little cannabinoids other than delta-9 THC usually report that the high is very intense. Most people that don't smoke daily will feel something from a joint having delta-9 THC of 3 percent concentration to material.
Cannabis products having a THC concentration of 5-10 percent would be considered good, 10-25 percent would be considered very good, and over 25 percent would be excellent quality by daily users standards. In general, we use potency to mean the sum effects of the cannabinoids and the overall high induced.
Marijuana is sometimes rated more potent than the content of delta-9 THC alone would suggest. It also elicits qualitatively different highs. The reasons for this have not been sorted out. Few clinical studies with known combinations of several cannabinoids have been undertaken with human subjects.
So far, different highs and possibly higher potency seem to be due to the interaction of delta-9 THC and other cannabinoids (THCV,CBD,CBN, and possibly CBC). Except for THCV, in the pure form, these other cannabinoids do not have much psychoactivity.
Another possibility for higher potency is that homologues of delta-9 THC with longer side chains at C-3 (and higher activity) might be found in certain marijuana strains.
Compounds with longer side chains have been made in laboratories and their activity is sometimes much higher, with estimates over 500 times that of natural delta-9 THC.
The possibility that there are non-cannabinoids that are psychoactive or interacting with the cannabinoids has not been investigated in detail. Non-cannabinoids with biological activity have been isolated from the plants, but only in very small quantities.
None are known to be psychotomimetic. However, they may contribute to the overall experience in non-mental ways, such as the stimulation of the appetite.
Different blends of cannabinoids account for the different qualities of intoxication produced by different strains of cannabis. The intensity of the high depends primarily on the amount of delta-9 THC present and on the method of ingestion.
A complex drug such as marijuana affects the mind and body in many ways. Sorting out what accounts for what response can become quite complex.​
 

Luger187

Well-Known Member
Cannabinol - CBN

Cannabinol - CBN is not produced by the plant per se. It is the degradation (oxidative) product of THC. Fresh samples of marijuana contain very little CBN but curing, poor storage, or processing such as when making hashish, can cause much of the THC to be oxidized to CBN. Pure forms of CBN have at most 10 percent of the psychoactivity of THC.
Like CBD, it is suspected of potentiating certain aspects of the high, although so far these effects appear to be slight. CBN seems to potentiate THC's disorienting qualities. One may feel more dizzy or drugged or generally messed up but not necessarily higher.
In fact, with a high proportion of CBN, the high may start well but feels as if it never quite reaches its peak, and when coming down one feels tired or sleepy. High CBN in homegrown grass is not desirable since it represents a loss of 90 percent of the psychoactivity of its precursor THC.
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did u not read that?

edit: thanks for sharing though. ever since brick top posted that pic, ive been wondering about CBC
 

Medi 1

Well-Known Member
ya i read that. i kniow its cbn that is couch lock, i may have miss woreded my explanantion earleier, being its a degradation of thc i find and our test results find there is more when we have amber trichs. so an early harvest to me dont fit the couch lock theory. and theres alot to this more than what was posted. there are over 400 chemicals in her so they all have some type of effect and we havent dug that deep yet in research.
like cbg...


Plant synthesis
Cannabinoid production starts when an enzyme causes geranyl pyrolphosphateand olivetolic acidto combine and form CBG. Next, CBG is independently converted to either CBD or CBC by two separate synthesaseenzymes. CBD is then enzymatically cyclized to THC. For the propyl homologues (THCV, CBDV and CBNV), there is a similar pathway that is based on CBGV.

more reads on this

http://www.lycaeum.org/~sky/data/grow/c2.html
 

Luger187

Well-Known Member
ya i read that. i kniow its cbn that is couch lock, i may have miss woreded my explanantion earleier, being its a degradation of thc i find and our test results find there is more when we have amber trichs. so an early harvest to me dont fit the couch lock theory. and theres alot to this more than what was posted. there are over 400 chemicals in her so they all have some type of effect and we havent dug that deep yet in research.
like cbg...


Plant synthesis
Cannabinoid production starts when an enzyme causes geranyl pyrolphosphateand olivetolic acidto combine and form CBG. Next, CBG is independently converted to either CBD or CBC by two separate synthesaseenzymes. CBD is then enzymatically cyclized to THC. For the propyl homologues (THCV, CBDV and CBNV), there is a similar pathway that is based on CBGV.

more reads on this

http://www.lycaeum.org/~sky/data/grow/c2.html
so your sayin CBD and CBC are created from CBG. and then some CBD is turned into THC, which then oxydizes and turns into CBN?

according to brick top's picture, all three(THC,CBD, and CBN) come from the CBGA. i dont know enough chemistry to see if the CBD is the "middleman" between CBGA and THC, or if the CBGA can/does turn directly into THC

ill read your link and see if it answers what im trying to get at
 

Medi 1

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none of this is my own info. to much above my head, its just from good sources and matches alot ive read and listened to
 

Medi 1

Well-Known Member
maybe i missread then. i thought i saw someone post cbn was ealry. and i dont feel it is till we see the amber...once thc begins to degrade.
ive got some test results ill post to show how the numbers move as the weeks pass, i dont have the full line of results but a week 2, week7, and week 8 i have here. they arent from my strains either.

well seems they wont load. if someone can tip off how to load a pdf i have 3 test results to show if anyone wants to see. albums wont take it nor will an attachment
 

Luger187

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maybe i missread then. i thought i saw someone post cbn was ealry. and i dont feel it is till we see the amber...once thc begins to degrade.
ive got some test results ill post to show how the numbers move as the weeks pass, i dont have the full line of results but a week 2, week7, and week 8 i have here. they arent from my strains either.

well seems they wont load. if someone can tip off how to load a pdf i have 3 test results to show if anyone wants to see. albums wont take it nor will an attachment
he was saying that CBC, CBD, and THC all come from the CBGA. some strains have more THC, some have more CBD. it depends on genetics and im sure environment. some of the CBGA goes to THC, some to CBD. then, that THC will oxidize and degrade into CBN, which "mimics" the affect of the CBD.
his point was that its better to have a high CBD strain of indica, as opposed to having high THC, and waiting for it to oxidize into CBN. this will give u a "true couchlock" as he puts it
 

baaamalaaam

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According to R.C. Clarke (Marijuana Botany), cloudy, white glands indicate a slowing or complete cessation of cannabinoid biosynthesis.
He says the plant is at it's healthiest when the heads go from transparent to transparent-amber.
I was thinking it would generally be a good indication of a plant's overall health.
 

Medi 1

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what hapended to the cliudy between the clear and amber??? sounds like a heat issue if it went right to amber from clear
 
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