MadNyeTheHydroGuy
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You mean one of hillarys biggest financial backers. Oops i meant to say "the clinton foundation"
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/contributors?category=$10,000,001+to+$25,000,000
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mynameisnobody
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At what temp do jet engines operate at dummy and the melting point of steel is? Why the use of ceramics?
mynameisnobody
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Does that do it for you?
cat of curiosity
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i'm with (and can't believe i'm saying this) buck. jet fuel will burn upwards to 1000c (generally 800c). that is not hot enough to melt steel.
however, a jet fueled combustion engine can reach temps of 2000c. compartmentalized internal combustion, fed precisely, and cooled. it's like the engine in your automotive vehicle, a cooling system is needed to moderate temperatures generated from compartmentalized internal combustion.
a jet engine's exhaust can become hot enough to melt steel.
jet fuel with no injection and forced air (JET ENGINE) cannot burn hot enough to melt steel. steel melts at approximately 1400c.
and though with giant turbines forcing air to make a hotter combustion (more compression), even this cannot CUT steel like thermite. steel will lose approximately half it's tensile strength at 650c, but won't melt, and won't buckle unless load is too high (which is against building code).
pretty sure all this info is on google, btw, just in case you'd like to read for yourself.
Fogdog
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It was a pretty good meme. The target for that meme is not good at anything.
UncleBuck
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loli'm with (and can't believe i'm saying this) buck. jet fuel will burn upwards to 1000c (generally 800c). that is not hot enough to melt steel.
however, a jet fueled combustion engine can reach temps of 2000c. compartmentalized internal combustion, fed precisely, and cooled. it's like the engine in your automotive vehicle, a cooling system is needed to moderate temperatures generated from compartmentalized internal combustion.
a jet engine's exhaust can become hot enough to melt steel.
jet fuel with no injection and forced air (JET ENGINE) cannot burn hot enough to melt steel. steel melts at approximately 1400c.
and though with giant turbines forcing air to make a hotter combustion (more compression), even this cannot CUT steel like thermite. steel will lose approximately half it's tensile strength at 650c, but won't melt, and won't buckle unless load is too high (which is against building code).
pretty sure all this info is on google, btw, just in case you'd like to read for yourself.
Fogdog
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Jet fuel can't melt steel. The melting point of steel has nothing to do with it. Care to hazard a guess how jet fuel caused the tower structure to fail? No fair searching it out.
cat of curiosity
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are we going with loss of structural integrity as frame temp increased?
BOOOOOSH!!!!!!
mynameisnobody
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"cat of curiosity, post: 12897106, member: 836147"]i'm with (and can't believe i'm saying this) buck. jet fuel will burn upwards to 1000c (generally 800c). that is not hot enough to melt steel.
however, a jet fueled combustion engine can reach temps of 2000c. compartmentalized internal combustion, fed precisely, and cooled. it's like the engine in your automotive vehicle, a cooling system is needed to moderate temperatures generated from compartmentalized internal combustion.
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[.... What your missing is that is just what happened in the building . And steel loses half its strength at half its melting point and gets weaker and weaker the hotter it gets. The draft from a large fire in a building can be very fast and where its restricted is super fast working the same way as a jet engine ....]
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a jet engine's exhaust can become hot enough to melt steel.
jet fuel with no injection and forced air (JET ENGINE) cannot burn hot enough to melt steel. steel melts at approximately 1400c.
and though with giant turbines forcing air to make a hotter combustion (more compression), even this cannot CUT steel like thermite. steel will lose approximately half it's tensile strength at 650c, but won't melt, and won't buckle unless load is too high (which is against building code).
pretty sure all this info is on google, btw, just in case you'd like to read for yourself.
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I don't have any need for such simple things as I have made and can make more than a few types jet engines and understand all of the elements involved and they are SIMPLE.as buck. Although the refining of a jet engine for a aircraft can be very involved. It is in most ways the simplest of all engines. I understand all engines from wind, water, steam and combustion, what ever the fuel. Motors, induction, 3 phase, split phase and DC. Do you understand how you can use the 9 leads of a 3 phase motor to make it do what you want I do but I disremember what numbers to put with each other. I don't try to remember the things that may change.
however, a jet fueled combustion engine can reach temps of 2000c. compartmentalized internal combustion, fed precisely, and cooled. it's like the engine in your automotive vehicle, a cooling system is needed to moderate temperatures generated from compartmentalized internal combustion.
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[.... What your missing is that is just what happened in the building . And steel loses half its strength at half its melting point and gets weaker and weaker the hotter it gets. The draft from a large fire in a building can be very fast and where its restricted is super fast working the same way as a jet engine ....]
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a jet engine's exhaust can become hot enough to melt steel.
jet fuel with no injection and forced air (JET ENGINE) cannot burn hot enough to melt steel. steel melts at approximately 1400c.
and though with giant turbines forcing air to make a hotter combustion (more compression), even this cannot CUT steel like thermite. steel will lose approximately half it's tensile strength at 650c, but won't melt, and won't buckle unless load is too high (which is against building code).
pretty sure all this info is on google, btw, just in case you'd like to read for yourself.
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I don't have any need for such simple things as I have made and can make more than a few types jet engines and understand all of the elements involved and they are SIMPLE.as buck. Although the refining of a jet engine for a aircraft can be very involved. It is in most ways the simplest of all engines. I understand all engines from wind, water, steam and combustion, what ever the fuel. Motors, induction, 3 phase, split phase and DC. Do you understand how you can use the 9 leads of a 3 phase motor to make it do what you want I do but I disremember what numbers to put with each other. I don't try to remember the things that may change.
Fogdog
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You just said nothing. You just cut an pasted words without comment. All you demonstrated was facility with a mouse. Without copy, cutting a pasting. In your own words, how did the burning jet fuel cause the collapse of the twin towers?
mynameisnobody
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That's as stupid as saying that paper burns at 451f so wood couldn't be used to melt steel. I have noted that you are very lacking in all science.
Fogdog
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Wrong.
Guess again. Here is a hint. With your deep knowlege in metals and jet engines, I'm sure you will figure this out:
OddBall1st
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Diesel fuel mixed with kerosene (jet fuel) will absolutely melt steel of any kind. All you need to do is feed air into it fast, like a forge, The Towers were way up in strong winds and there was plenty of jet fuel burning all around.
If you get motor oil into your gasoline cylinders at full throttle, enough air is being forced in to melt the pistons.
OddBall1st
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You can melt steel with coals. just feed it air fast.
mynameisnobody
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I have never cut and pasted a single thing in my life, nor can I see how you could think that any of my posts COULD be a cut and paste job. If you had more mental ability you would have noted that I did that above.
MadNyeTheHydroGuy
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UncleBuck
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hard to convict a dead guy, but they got the guy that didn't blow himself up.So those 911 convictions, you find them yet?
dumbass.
MadNyeTheHydroGuy
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By your logic, if they werent convicted it diddnt happen, regardless of eyewitness testimony, records, etc, despite living/dead status. So wheres the convictions?