Miracle Grow

dannyboy602 said:

Wuts up PK hope your lil girls are growing well. Sorry bout the probs we had b4 but shit at work had me stressed. Anyways I haven't used MG but I would for a small grow where cost wasn't an issue. I prefer to start out with Peat/lite as a base and amend it as necessary. Sub cool has the best organic recipe for a mix and he says no additional nutes are needed. A lot of the stuff like worm castings can be bought on line at tolerable expense. If there's something else I was gonna add I'll come back and edit. I'm doing a wake and bake ATM (and yes I'm at work right now) and my short term memory is.......something......lol....I crack myself up....

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hello, and 1 last thing dont take it out on me man,im jsut glad we dont know each other in person n dat didnt happen lol well man dude my girls are doing fantastic after i switched them to MG

IMO, those time-released nutes are burned up waaaaay before harvest-time, and not an issue. There's barely any in there anyway, just look at those numbers .021-.014-.010 or something like that, which is like 1/50th strength, if what we normally feed them. What I've found, that MG soils, amended with perlite, will perform as well as just about any soil out there, including Fox Farms. I tested it, for those who don't remember....""" https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/373397-test-progress-miracle-grow-soil.html """...and the MG soil came out on top, after I added 20-25% perlite.

Personally, I think the problem is that all the new guys are 'nute happy', thinking they MUST feed their plants, to give them a boost, and end up fucking 'em up, in the process, especially with the 'hot' soils. 75%+ of the grows I see here, don't even need any nutes during veg, but still, they add 'em anyway,lol when in reallity, they didn't need anything til 12/12 started. And, I'm not even going to mention all the problems I see with watering habits...

cannabisguru said:

MMMmmmmhhhmmm... see this is why I personally don't use MG products. Especially MG soils with premixed nutrients already in the soil. Those premix nutes are a pain in the ass to flush out. Plus, any nutrients that you use during the plants life.. will just be added to whatever amount of premixed nutrients that were already mixed in at the MG factory.

It's just best to stay away from MG products, especially MG soils...

I know some people around here will come back with "What? MG soils are great! I won't use anything but MG soils and products."

Well, good for you.. I hope you like having the battle of flushing out that soil.. and then just hoping and praying that you flushed them enough while the product is drying and curing.. - yeah, its not worth the stress IMO.

Each to their own.. I understand that. But, its just best to stay away from MG soils with premixed nutes and or those "time released" nutrients that supposively feed up to 6 months.. stay away from those soils.

hopefully I helped you people out.

peace.

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so what soil is good for u then? dont tell me ffof hahaha

Just save yourself a lot of time and hassle by using soil-less mixtures that allow you to precisely control what is added and when.

Time-release fertilizers just take things out of your control and force you to work on their schedule.

The more control I have, the better.

PeacefulKid1992 said:

so what soil is good for u then? dont tell me ffof hahaha

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Pro Mix HP or Sunshine #4 both soiless

skunkushybrid said:

Why do a lot of people on this site not like miracle grow? It's a top selling soil, surely it can't be all bad?

My thoughts run like this: The soil has been developed by people that spend their whole day thinking about soil, not just thinking about it but developing and testing it.

Maybe the soil is so good you don't need to add your own fert's.

Has anyone had any success with miracle grow soil? I grew 2 healthy plants in miracle grow a number of years ago. I grew them from seed without a fan and without any lights. They never flowered because they didn't get enough light, but they grew. They were well over 2ft when I threw them out.

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i think it works well i use the shake and feed and i have 2 plants that are flowering and doing well i have mine out side now for 12 house then i bring them in the dark for 12 hours and my plants are 20 in tall

i think miracle grow shake and feed works well it has alot of fert in that ur plant needs to grow i have had 4 good harvest from useing this but use ur own judgement...

its 10-10-20-

i have used mg garden soil and shke and feed for my babys and i have my babys out side during the sunny days and ther on a 12-12 and there budding good so i love mg garden soil and mg shke and feed it has all the nute my plants need to grow 4 years and counting...

skunkushybrid said:

Why do a lot of people on this site not like miracle grow? It's a top selling soil, surely it can't be all bad?

My thoughts run like this: The soil has been developed by people that spend their whole day thinking about soil, not just thinking about it but developing and testing it.

Maybe the soil is so good you don't need to add your own fert's.

Has anyone had any success with miracle grow soil? I grew 2 healthy plants in miracle grow a number of years ago. I grew them from seed without a fan and without any lights. They never flowered because they didn't get enough light, but they grew. They were well over 2ft when I threw them out.

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I think the problem that occurs is that in veg the plants simply don't need the NPK levels et al that MG provides. They burn and stress the plant. Or so it would seem, but you yourself grew a fine plant in MG you said, right? So I'm inclined to think it depends on what you're growing.

widow maker why did you start changing your watering technique. was your plant dying before you tried this. look just don't worry if the ph swings a bit, its alright and its probably a good thing. different nutrients are absorbed at different ph's

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most of Miracle Grow's bad reviews are from user error. DO NOT USE FULL STRENGTH!!! that solves most of MG's bad wrap. when it gets hot out, your plant is more susceptible to nute burn.

It's not simply an issue with user error, nor is it entirely an issue of strength of application.

Some strains eat more than others so for some strains full strength isn't going to burn them.


The problem most people have with Miracle Grow is that it is simply too easy to screw things up. It's like driving a trim nail with a sledgehammer. Sure, you can do it without putting the hammer through the wall if you're careful, but it just isn't the right tool for the job.

Most growers, myself included, don't mind spending a little more to have a lot less hassle.


Look at it this way: if the off-the-shelf MG were perfectly good for cannabis, why would the makers of Miracle Grow be currently looking to branch out into MMJ with new products? If it was the right tool for the job already, they wouldn't need a new formula, would they?

Not sure if I like the sound of Scott's throwing their hat into the MMJ ring. People who don't know better complain about AN being a big soulless company (they're really small compared to most) but they're incredibly small potatoes compared to a juggernaut like Scott's. They have a horrible and predatory reputation. I remember reading about how they bankrupted a rival fertilizer company by suing them for using green and yellow in their labels. They didn't even win the lawsuit, they just forced the small company to spend so much money in legal fees that they folded.

I'd wager the only reason Scott's hasn't crushed any of the MJ nutrient companies is that they didn't consider them competition - until now...

Keep your eyes on the new shark in the pond. Mark my words.

We're gonna need a bigger boat.lol
I've got a few clones in MG potting soil with 6" pots (only cause it was bought by accident. lol). The sky didn't fall. I just won't fert. untill after I transplant them.
But before I used it I got my hands right in it and mixed it vigorously, breaking up any large clumps, untill it had an even texture. If you look at MG you can see the time release capsules and those need to be totally mixed in.

I dont know much except what I have studied on my own and what I learned a little from here... But I used regular old potting mix and mixed it with potting mix that was only 0.14-0.11-0.08 !!! Needless to say my plant got about 5" tall in two months.. LoL. I think I could have been the laughing stock of america for the worlds smallest plant. I was afraid of burning it up so I didnt want to use any fertilizer except what came with the potting mix. I use only Natural spring water that you get from the Dollar General store.. Well, Anyway I decided to use Miracle Grow that you mix with the water and only use it at half strength that the label calls for... I tell you what man... The plant has been shooting up and bushing out like crazy... If I woul have known that b4, Then it would have been much much taller by now.... Im Learning, Trial and Error !!! My Plant is now 10" Tall in just the last 2 weeks of applying miracle grow. I also put it in a 2 Gallon container which seems to be better.. It was in a 1 Gallon and when I pulled it out, My Lord at the roots hanging out of it .... It is well on its way now though... Now I just hope it is not a male !!! LOL ....

Im using two 40 watt cool white bulbs and two 40 watt pink aquarium grow lights... The Plant is approximately 4-6 " away from the bulbs and I have One ventilation fan that pulls the air out up high and three holes drilled in the bottom with two smaller fans stirring the air to the plant. It pulls the cooler air from the bottom to help keep the plant kool and gives it the fresh air it needs. At least I think it helps it, I dont know alot about this type of thing but like I said b4 Im learning... Im 38 and cant believe i have never tried this b4... My next grow, Well, Oh Yeah, Its gonna be Great !!!

Well, Theres my beauty, After the last two weeks of Using water soluble MG.

Looks pretty good. I'd recommend switching to something better than MG when you flip to flowering, like some Sensi Bloom or something.

I really don't like MG, but it is usually less of a problem in veg than flower.

good info on this thread!