Mirrors for growing, definitive answer..

panhead

panhead

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Tone5500 said:
2-3 off single cola SOG str8 12-12 is a great return how long it take you to master that ??
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About 6 months learning hydroponics & another year mastering cultivating mothers capable of producing cuttings with atleast 6 tightly grouped nodes , then about a year refining the one off flood n drain system i use so right around 3 yrs total , but thats after several decades growing in soil & knowing how to keep healthy plants .
 
Indole8

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ShirkGoldbrick said:
For all the work, time, and money why don't you just stick to growing peppers and buy the weed? I'm all game for the scientific discussion but I hope your dad beats the stupid out of you for real.

Albeit again... LEDs produce more light with less heat than anything else, you must have some junk equipment. Look at a Cree cob or something. I've never built one but I imagine that the heatsink could be part of the top just siliconed in and that the driver could be outside on top too.

On flat mirrors you're going to have refractance unless the source is far away and the incident angle is greater than the critical angle.

On parabolic mirrors were just going to ignore any small refractance and assume it all exceeds the critical angle. The light has to be between one and two focal points away. Farther and it concentrates, closer and it creates a virtual image I believe which equates to refractance. In the sweet spot it reflects and spreads the light nicely over the canopy.
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Well I do like spicy food... I'm looking at it now, if this does work I will have a never ending supply of weed. And I'm a light smoker so 3grams last me about 2 weeks. I'm assuming by a zip @panhead meant an ounce, which is an inssssane amount, and that's every 2 months or so. So having a constant supply would be crazy, I never understood people who smoke daily and I'm about to become one of them. I really don't want that. And weed is such a bummer in general, it's so gloomy and shit, and makes me tired but restless. But it's so tempting for some reason, and there's always that low chance that I'll control myself and won't smoke daily.

On the topic. The way I see it is like this, if you shine a light at a mirror above a critical angle what would happen? The image would get bounced off by the glass without ever reaching the silver correct? But if it's below the critical value, then a part of it would be reflected by the glass and a part would reach the silver, but the silver would then reflect it to the same spot that the glass reflected it to. Without any refraction. In essence the whole mirror is an internal reflector. You're theorizing without using common sense, just take a light and bounce it off your phone, I just did it. The light could be very close as close as 2 inches, and I also held out my hand and bounced the beam from there, I can focus the beam on anything when I tilt the phone. That's all you have to think about. You're making it sound more complicated then it really is. Eveything else is negligible, there is no refractance, the wavelength is the same, everything is the same. A parabolic mirror could be used for some special speical purpose if you want to diffuse the light or focus it or some shit like that, but you would either create an area with unevel lighting or an area with a penumbra and a focused dot which would burn right through the plant. I think you really need to visualize things first because theory could carry us away to strawberry fields.
 
ShirkGoldbrick

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You're right about the mirrors I think.

Nonetheless, I believe you're on your way to an episode of beyond scared straight. Do you really think you can perpetually keep this a secret? You don't think your parents at some time or another are going to smell you trimming, smoking, or growing and put an end to the whole thing?

I don't see a problem with pot, I do see a problem with you disobeying your parents wishes behind their backs while you're living under their roof in a way that can get them in serious trouble. You have a decent head on your shoulders but you're a real idiot you know that? Is it really worth it? I could see you growing/selling to try and put food on the table for your family or help make ends meet..but this? You're a real idiot.

How about you get your own apartment, get a job, and try this while you're living on your own and still going to high school? I think after you spend a year working that hard just to barely get by that you'll be more appreciative of what your parents have provided for you.
 
Indole8

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ShirkGoldbrick said:
You're right about the mirrors I think.

Nonetheless, I believe you're on your way to an episode of beyond scared straight. Do you really think you can perpetually keep this a secret? You don't think your parents at some time or another are going to smell you trimming, smoking, or growing and put an end to the whole thing?

I don't see a problem with pot, I do see a problem with you disobeying your parents wishes behind their backs while you're living under their roof in a way that can get them in serious trouble. You have a decent head on your shoulders but you're a real idiot you know that? Is it really worth it? I could see you growing/selling to try and put food on the table for your family or help make ends meet..but this? You're a real idiot.

How about you get your own apartment, get a job, and try this while you're living on your own and still going to high school? I think after you spend a year working that hard just to barely get by that you'll be more appreciative of what your parents have provided for you.
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what is up with everyone pushing morals on my for doing this in my <ahem, their> house? You're like the tenth person that mentions it. It's not that big of risk, I risk getting thrown out of my house, yes, but that's pretty much it. DEA won't come knocking for growing one plant. This is NYC, you can smell weed almost everywhere, do you think cops will bother checking if they roll by? And even if they do they can't enter without a warrant even if neighbors complain. But this is all hypothetical, you really don't know how cautious I am with these things. I have an air compressor, I will make sure that the box is completely hermatic by the time I start, not to mention the filter. But If the smell does somehow starts getting out too much, I'll just harvest it right awway. The most important thing about this op is to get clones. If I'm able to have 4 tiny clones growing perpetually, and can get about 6grams a month, it will be more then I could hope for. Really man, I appreciate your concern, but it's completely unwarranted.
 
panhead

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I wasn't busting your chops about anything but I was trying to get you to see how hard of a task you have ahead of you with the parameters you posted .

I wouldn't care if you sniffed glue , drink beer , smoke pot or pop pills at where you live , that's your business , your only realistic option is to get friendly with a grower who will sell you a single rooted female clone every 2 months , keeping a mother plant violates the secrecy issue & the electric use issue you explained .

Best o luck to ya & I hope you can pull it off .
 
Indole8

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panhead said:
I wasn't busting your chops about anything but I was trying to get you to see how hard of a task you have ahead of you with the parameters you posted .

I wouldn't care if you sniffed glue , drink beer , smoke pot or pop pills at where you live , that's your business , your only realistic option is to get friendly with a grower who will sell you a single rooted female clone every 2 months , keeping a mother plant violates the secrecy issue & the electric use issue you explained .

Best o luck to ya & I hope you can pull it off .
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no I wasn't referring to you at all, I always appreciate constructive criticism and a realistic look at things. I did research this morning on the clones, the only one I could find that sells them is from Germany. Noo way it's getting past custums. Unfortunately I don't know any growers, I really wish I did, and wish I lived in Cali, but life's not perfect.

You misunderstand my approach though, I'm not planning on having a mother plant, I will take 2 tiny clones from this first plant, once I harvest it, the clones will go on, I will take 1 clone from each of those clones, and repeat until I have a perpetual line. So I will never have more then one box. It's more difficult I know, and I have to sacrfice some of the yield by taking a branch off each time, but if I find the right number of clones I could do this. Especially with the method you described, where the plants come one very narrow, I'll have room to do maybe even two in one box.
 
panhead

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Our wires are crossed somewhere bro , you can't take clones from a plant that's in it's bud cycle , they have lotsa problems rooting & once they pop buds it's impossible to take a clone, with that said you'd be pulling your clone for your 2nd grow at the start of your 1st grow , the clone for your 2nd grow will be a 2 month old plant by the time your 1st grow is finished & your ready to use a 2nd clone .
 
Indole8

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panhead said:
Our wires are crossed somewhere bro , you can't take clones from a plant that's in it's bud cycle , they have lotsa problems rooting & once they pop buds it's impossible to take a clone, with that said you'd be pulling your clone for your 2nd grow at the start of your 1st grow , the clone for your 2nd grow will be a 2 month old plant by the time your 1st grow is finished & your ready to use a 2nd clone .
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damn, I wasn't aware of that. I thought I could take a branch off any time. This is really bad new as that means I can't even clone it once. There must be a way. You're saying I can't take a cutting as few days after it emerges because it's on bloom lighting, is it that strict? Is there any way I can prevent the clone from growing, I've seen a vid on yt, where a guy had his clones under a T8 for a few MONTHs because he was lazy to plant them and they weren't really that big, can that be controlled with light intensity? Also now that I think about it, does that mean I can't use the 12/12 from seed method with clones, I mean will it lose that straight one line form and become a bushy plant?

edit: I just read a thread on here (https://www.rollitup.org/t/cloning-a-plant-in-flowering-stage.79316/) and everyone seems to agree that you can take it while it's in flower. All I need is a few week lag time, so that I have a chain going, more then few weeks would be best as if I keep harvesting every few weeks I will have weed coming outta the wazooo.

edit 2: lots of conflicting info here, this guy says " Yes you can take clones basically up until harvest and reveg a plant after harvest if you leave bud sites on the plant. Cloning in flower is very easily done and achieves vigorus growth when it does finally start revegging.".

Who is right?
@deadgro yes, someone mentioned it already, I will use a dry hub, thanks.

edit 3: it is in fact possible to take a clone all the way into flowering, they're called monster clones and it's best taken at about a month into flower. They say it roots like crazy and gives out 3x more shoots than normal clones. So all is good. I will each plant a month apart, so by the time my first one finishes flowering I will have a so called "monster clone" ready to go. I don't need more then one, I can just keep doing month after month, then once I get tired/move out, I can force it to hermie and get free seeds, that's a self sustaining op in a box right there.
 
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deadgro

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Indole8 said:
Thanks for all the quick replies, didn't expect so many to be honest, great forum. The thing is it's going to be a small plant, maybe 12 inches tops, I will let it grow a bit and put on 12/12 in about 2-3 weeks. My goal is to extract as much crop as possible and for some reason I think that with 1 or 2 light bulbs and just white paint only the few top leaves will have any decent buds. I'm really relying on the bottom branches to come through here as well to make it worth it.

@Southerner I understand what you guys are saying, but I have been smoking for a while in the house and I have all the proper precautions in place already. I will have a perfectly insulated box with an inflow fan pointed up, and and outflow fan that will run through moist carbon filled container, a small version of which I built to dispell the smoking smell and it works like a charm, it will lead outdoors. My pot size will be about 6 inches wide, maybe 1/3 gallon capacity, so really it will be a tiny plant as I understand that it's a dangerous operation if not done properly, not to mention I live in NYC and mj laws are nowhere near leglaization.

I got insipred by the 1 oz chllange, https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=51480, a really interesting thread if anyone's interested.

@Cobnobuler that's just not true, mirrors reflect more light then any other surface, besides higher quality mirrors.

@SPLFreak808 that's intreseting, so you're saying there's precipitation on the mirror? How would this happen though? Mirror would most likely be warmer then ambient temperature, how would it precipitate anything? But this leads me to a side question, I'm thinking of a hydroponic system, but I would insulate the roots from the leaves, so there wouldn't be too much moisture in the leaf "compartment" anyways besides ambient room humidity, would that be enough or does it need more moisture?

PS @SPLFreak808, the reason it looked brigher is because plain white color reflects things in a diffuse pattern, where as mirror reflects at only specific angles. What that means is that once the rays bounce off the walls, they bounce in different directions a lot of which end up in your eyes, that by itself shows that it's less powerful as imagine how much of that light that's hitting your eyes could have been aimed at the plant.
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Moisture reduces the efficiency of carbon.
 
Tone5500

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panhead said:
Our wires are crossed somewhere bro , you can't take clones from a plant that's in it's bud cycle , they have lotsa problems rooting & once they pop buds it's impossible to take a clone, with that said you'd be pulling your clone for your 2nd grow at the start of your 1st grow , the clone for your 2nd grow will be a 2 month old plant by the time your 1st grow is finished & your ready to use a 2nd clone .
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So your telling me you can't root a clone off a flower already bloomed???
 
panhead

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Tone5500 said:
So your telling me you can't root a clone off a flower already bloomed???
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Not easily & not without the need for revegging , you are not going to take a cutting at harvest time , root that cutting & put it directly in 12/12 & expect it to grow brand new buds , it don't work like that .

You will have months of twisted growth before it even resembles a mj plant again .

If you can take a cutting 8 weeks into bud & make a plant out of it that's ready to bloom again I'm in for the show & would love to see it.
 
panhead

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Indole8 said:
damn, I wasn't aware of that. I thought I could take a branch off any time. This is really bad new as that means I can't even clone it once. There must be a way. You're saying I can't take a cutting as few days after it emerges because it's on bloom lighting, is it that strict? Is there any way I can prevent the clone from growing, I've seen a vid on yt, where a guy had his clones under a T8 for a few MONTHs because he was lazy to plant them and they weren't really that big, can that be controlled with light intensity? Also now that I think about it, does that mean I can't use the 12/12 from seed method with clones, I mean will it lose that straight one line form and become a bushy plant?

edit: I just read a thread on here (https://www.rollitup.org/t/cloning-a-plant-in-flowering-stage.79316/) and everyone seems to agree that you can take it while it's in flower. All I need is a few week lag time, so that I have a chain going, more then few weeks would be best as if I keep harvesting every few weeks I will have weed coming outta the wazooo.

edit 2: lots of conflicting info here, this guy says " Yes you can take clones basically up until harvest and reveg a plant after harvest if you leave bud sites on the plant. Cloning in flower is very easily done and achieves vigorus growth when it does finally start revegging.".

Who is right?
@deadgro yes, someone mentioned it already, I will use a dry hub, thanks.

edit 3: it is in fact possible to take a clone all the way into flowering, they're called monster clones and it's best taken at about a month into flower. They say it roots like crazy and gives out 3x more shoots than normal clones. So all is good. I will each plant a month apart, so by the time my first one finishes flowering I will have a so called "monster clone" ready to go. I don't need more then one, I can just keep doing month after month, then once I get tired/move out, I can force it to hermie and get free seeds, that's a self sustaining op in a box right there.
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Dude you have read way too much about growing mj & have not applied any of the things you read , you should really stop reading at this point & grow a plant .

You want 1 grow box .
You want secrecy .
You want 1 light source.
You want perpetual grows .
You want to take cuttings .
You don't want a mother plant .

This is a huge list for an experienced grower .

No matter what you read anywhere understand this , if you take a cutting as soon as your 1st plant has one available what are you going to.do with it while you wait 2 month for the 1st plant to finish ?

Something else you missed is the further along a plant is into bud the harder it is to clone , for a 1st time grow the odds of getting a rooted clone from a budding plant is like hitting the lotto , especially when you can't take 10 & hope 1 roots .

Next is the retarded & twisted growth pattern a revegged plant goes thru , once a plant is deep into bud you can't just put it back under full light & expect normal growth , it takes a long time to revert back to veg state .

Your trying to do way to much with crazy limitations & counting on expert grow level techniques to pull it all off , I don't see it happening .

Let's start with this question , when you take a cutting what are you going to do with it for the next 2 months ?
 
panhead

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Tone5500 said:
I guess it all depends on cloning method
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Have you even read this entire thread & know all his limitations to what he can & can't do or you just commenting on cloning .

Cause if you have read the entire thread & chose to comment on clones explain to me how a 1st time grower is gonna use only 1 light source , in a cabinet with 12 inches of space , take cuttings from the 1st plant in the cabinet & not have a 2nd plant with separate light source .

Where the the clones gonna grow while the 1st plant matures ?
 
Tone5500

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panhead said:
That's what most would make of it but sometimes guys need to flex :)
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um maybe you shoud read your opening statement when you said you can't take a clone from a plant in bud cycle . Why would you say that then call me out for "flexing" . ? But Ya I get your point
 
Indole8

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It is in fact possible to get a clone all the way even a month after flowering, they're called monster clones
panhead said:
Dude you have read way too much about growing mj & have not applied any of the things you read , you should really stop reading at this point & grow a plant .

You want 1 grow box .
You want secrecy .
You want 1 light source.
You want perpetual grows .
You want to take cuttings .
You don't want a mother plant .

This is a huge list for an experienced grower .

No matter what you read anywhere understand this , if you take a cutting as soon as your 1st plant has one available what are you going to.do with it while you wait 2 month for the 1st plant to finish ?

Something else you missed is the further along a plant is into bud the harder it is to clone , for a 1st time grow the odds of getting a rooted clone from a budding plant is like hitting the lotto , especially when you can't take 10 & hope 1 roots .

Next is the retarded & twisted growth pattern a revegged plant goes thru , once a plant is deep into bud you can't just put it back under full light & expect normal growth , it takes a long time to revert back to veg state .

Your trying to do way to much with crazy limitations & counting on expert grow level techniques to pull it all off , I don't see it happening .

Let's start with this question , when you take a cutting what are you going to do with it for the next 2 months ?
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dude, if that's true then thats better then I had planned it. Lets so I do take a cutting at the end, you're saying it's going to take a while to reveg? That's perfect! I don't want to harvest frequently! I'm not looking to sell, and I'm not really into smoking non stop either, so having bud once every 4-5 monts is fine for me.

But lets say I don't reveg it, if I take a cutting within the first few weeks. I'm not sure what side to believe but a lot of people said it roots like fire since all the nutrients are flowing in it from bud cycle. So I was thinking to maybe put it under an led, I have 6 super bright ones and they only use 6 watts. But they grow the plants in my aquarium just fine. Can't I keep it small in that way?? Or maybe restrict the nutes or something?

I'm really hoping to reveg though because the extra time in between will be great for me. You're saying it's 10 to 1 that it will root? Some people say it roots right a way but then start growing weird leaves and then go back like nothing happnened. I will do more research I guess.

edit: or in the worst case if I can't stabilize the growth, I can throw it in with the other plant. But that could be problematic as I will have two blooming plants about 2 weeks apart, meaning all my next clones will be the same schedule and I'll be harvesting every 2 weeks, better then not harvesting at all I guess right?
 
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panhead

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Tone5500 said:
um maybe you shoud read your opening statement when you said you can't take a clone from a plant in bud cycle . Why would you say that then call me out for "flexing" . ? But Ya I get your point
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Read his statement I quoted where he states he's gonna take a clone at harvest .

Mighty big leap there from taking a clone a week or 2 into bud to taking 1 at harvest & expecting to run a perpetual grow .

I can't possibly be the only one here who she's how far he's in over his head with the restrictions he placed on the grow .

Edit , now your talking about using more light sources & having more than one plant , both restrictions have now changed as you read more this is why I say you should just stop reading & grow a plant out , you've got too many variables that change .
 
Tone5500

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panhead said:
Have you even read this entire thread & know all his limitations to what he can & can't do or you just commenting on cloning .

Cause if you have read the entire thread & chose to comment on clones explain to me how a 1st time grower is gonna use only 1 light source , in a cabinet with 12 inches of space , take cuttings from the 1st plant in the cabinet & not have a 2nd plant with separate light source .

Where the the clones gonna grow while the 1st plant matures ?
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Well if you even remeber I commented on it in the beginning on the orginal post like the third or so comment second I quoted you on your post about pulling 2-3 zips off a single cola plant witch I said was impressive , then
I commented on your post that said you can't clone a plant in bud cycle , so I guess I'm commenting on more then the orginal question ?? I don't understand
 
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