MIT Economists back Obama on Healthcare

Resin225

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ok, the central banking system was setup to control money supply. it was setup after the great depression to control the kind of inflation that led to the collapse. the way the fed controls the money is extremely efficient. it is based on a general consensus of what is good for the economy based on the opinions of a group of extremely knowledgeable people. they set the interest rates that control money supply. they lower the interest rate when they determine that more money is needed to keep the economy growing (generally in times of economic recession), when this recovery begins to happen, they raise interest rates to lower money supply, and control inflation, and ensures steady growth. we ran into a recession, the practice is that interest rates are lowered, money floods the system, and gives it a "kick start". then the interest rates are gradually increased, to control inflation, and the cycle begins again.

it's economics, there's always going to be expansion and recession. when the money supply gets out of control, something like the great depression happens. when it is well controlled and managed, the economic cycle happens a lot more smoothly. right now the economy is in a recession, with good decision making a recovery is on its way, just give it time....

but don't assume they want to bankrupt the dollar.... have you ever been bankrupt?? not me, but i know that once you're bankrupt every single business entity looses trust in you... it's not easy to gain that trust back.... i dnt think the FED wants that for the US.... after all, the board members do live here.....


OH MY FRIGGEN HEAD.... MY god man If govt can control the economy, why do we ever have a recession.

There was another recession in the 20's I believe. It ended in 3 or 4 years. Why?? Govt CUT YES CUT their spending by 50%.
Thats all it took, No tarp no bailouts for "unprecedented" collapses on wall street. THE JUST QUIT SPENDING FUCKING MONEY. pretty simple really. But when you have less than 10% of the current administration with "real world" business experience, you kinda get shitty govt.
 
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Illegal Smile

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Regardless of how the recession started or when and why it ends, sitting presidents are blamed. Democrats have always been quick to blame republican presidents for any economic downtown so I'm sure that with their sense of fairness, they understand that we will now blame the hell out of Obama. Saying if his stimulus wasn't passed unemployment might reach 8% was one of the stupidest moves in presidential history.
 

Resin225

Active Member
If you think we can afford any of this look here first

http://www.usdebtclock.org/.

WE ARE B-R-O-K-E. Hell your kids are gonna have to pay for half of this shit.

Look at the unfunded liabilities. thats what we have commitments to spend money on.
 

JustAnotherFriedDay

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i can't think of another reason why they keep printing more and more money and why the federal government keeps expanding more and more. i think we are setting ourselves up to default on our loans to china and restart with a new regional or multi-regional currency. either that or the people in charge are just really flipping stupid. if someone can give me an alternate reason, i'd love to not be so paranoid about the future. the only alternative i can think of is that they believe technology can save us by drastically increasing efficiency while lowering costs dramatically in the future. our gdp can not raise fast enough to save us otherwise.
This is it. How can anyone not see this? Our GDP, especially now with such high unemployment, will not be enough to pay off the debt.

We have 12 trillion in actual debt and over 100 trillion in unpaid liabilities.

Money means work. Working means lack of freedom.

Freedom and love are what humans seek above all else. Freedom, love, and a feeling of importance to the world are all that is needed to be happy. However, increased taxes and a lower value dollar = more work and less freedoms. Less freedoms = less time to do what we love, less time to live as love, and more time spent working towards financial security in order to physically survive in this world.

the point is we are not truly free during work times, since it is a necessity to survival if the individual is completely independent.

I wonder why the saying TGIF was started. Maybe because friday is the end of a typical work week, releasing workers back into the freedom of their lives, at least for the weekend.
 

JustAnotherFriedDay

Well-Known Member
Well God Damn. Let's just throw out the constitution and suspend all freedoms because an MIT PHD thinks some people will save money.

Any illusions that socialized medicine will save the country money are based on the misguided belief that the federal government will stick to the constraints of a balanced budget. I think any analysis of the governments handling Medicaid and the SHCIP program are documented proof that the government cannot maintain a budget in matters of health care.
Just look at anything government run. The private sector has always out performed the government.
 

jeff f

New Member
ok, the central banking system was setup to control money supply. it was setup after the great depression to control the kind of inflation that led to the collapse. the way the fed controls the money is extremely efficient. it is based on a general consensus of what is good for the economy based on the opinions of a group of extremely knowledgeable people. they set the interest rates that control money supply. they lower the interest rate when they determine that more money is needed to keep the economy growing (generally in times of economic recession), when this recovery begins to happen, they raise interest rates to lower money supply, and control inflation, and ensures steady growth. we ran into a recession, the practice is that interest rates are lowered, money floods the system, and gives it a "kick start". then the interest rates are gradually increased, to control inflation, and the cycle begins again.

it's economics, there's always going to be expansion and recession. when the money supply gets out of control, something like the great depression happens. when it is well controlled and managed, the economic cycle happens a lot more smoothly. right now the economy is in a recession, with good decision making a recovery is on its way, just give it time....

but don't assume they want to bankrupt the dollar.... have you ever been bankrupt?? not me, but i know that once you're bankrupt every single business entity looses trust in you... it's not easy to gain that trust back.... i dnt think the FED wants that for the US.... after all, the board members do live here.....
lemme guess. you didnt go to mit? nightschool? please tell me you at least have a GED...please.

where would one even start with this?.....nevermind.

elections on held on the 4th tuesday in november. dont be late!!
 

TheBlazehero

Active Member
the insane business cycles we see today with exaggerated boom and bust periods actually help the well informed (i.e. the rich) and hurt the middle class, lower class, and casual investor. why? the low guys on the totem pole are usually the last ones to join the bandwagon on the way up and the last ones to jump off on the way down. then again, games are usually easier when you know the rules that the winners are playing by. anyway, the creation of the federal reserve probably led to the great depression and by no means helped save anything.

the point is that these exaggerated booms and busts don't typically occur on the gold standard. why? the government can't just print money when they need to. banks can't afford to loan away 9/10ths of their deposits. the dollars actually mean something and business and individuals aren't as risky with their money. hence the value of money actually stays in line with productivity. the government can't finance endless wars, engage in nation building, send foreign aid to whoever, give in to lobbyists or turn tricks for corporate donations.

wouldn't it be cool if you knew your cash money was actually worth something that the bank held? under the current system, for every $10 you have in your savings account, the bank is loaning out $9 (to other banks who continue the process or to borrowers who use the funds for projects) and keeps $1 on reserve. you can see this is not a very stable system. if enough borrowers default or enough savers withdraw, what happens to that money that the bank lost? well, no problem, they can go and borrow it from the federal reserve or from another bank. too many defaults and withdrawals at the same time? hmmm, well that's what the FDIC is for. the fed shuts down the bank, you get your deposit back and all is well...right? well, wait, where is this FDIC money coming from? and what happened to that $9? well, the federal reserve will print more money to cover that loss. that is, it will debase the current money supply (think how your beer would taste if i added water to it to keep it 'full') which is actually just a sneaky way (or immoral) of taxing the american people.

but wait, there's more! why all of these defaults in the first place? well, there are a myriad of reasons, but one big one is that borrowers are borrowing money under false assumptions about the economy and the purchasing power of people. home buyers and buyers of goods think they can buy more than they actually can afford because their stocks are up, up, up and credit is cheap and loose! besides, saving rates are next to nothing, may as well spend it! entrepreneurs take note of the increased 'spending' (actually a loosening of credit or increase in money supply) and build homes, start businesses, partake in R&D only to find that people can't actually afford to buy. see where this is headed?

all that happened last year was that the market was trying to correct itself. most wealth that was lost was illusory. but who got screwed? the little guy. then the government comes in and says, hey don't cry, we'll make it all better. they print all this money and spread it around. sure most of it is going to fund the growing tentacles of Leviathan, infringe further on our personal liberties, and spread the reaches of our military...but, hey, if we do nothing for long enough, we'll even get crappy medical services out of the deal! then we can deepen our dependence on the federal government! yay for the welfare state! where is the money coming from?
 
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