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Is there such a thing as a "lucky punch"?

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Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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CannaBruh said:
I 100% believe he had no confidence that he would lay the man out, no not one bit, he takes like 3 laps in absolute disbelief not that he won but in the way he won.
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I'm not talking about confidence, I'm talking about intention

It doesn't matter how confident you are, if you throw a punch in the middle of a fight and it knocks the opponent out, it does not matter how, when, where, or why the punch/kick/knee/elbow/choke/etc. was thrown. You are intending to win the fight.
 
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KryptoBud

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What determines a "lucky punch" to you guys? If the same punch and same results happen in the 3rd round, still lucky?

Bublonichronic said:
Just the fact that he himself looks completely shocked that he pulled that off should tell you somthing, no?
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Kimbo Slice is 30lbs heavier, 2" taller, has a 4" reach advantage, the beginning of the video says he didn't know he was fighting in the main event until he got to the arena that night, and he's fighting a guy with a big name. Celebrating and adrenaline are pretty common when someone gets ko'd especially in those circumstances.

CannaBruh said:
You understand there's a reason we setup the 2, and a reason to throw a stiff jab, neither are to land a KO.
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Kimbo's a street fighter with very little actual training compared to most pro's. Like you said the 1 sets up the 2, 90% of the population is right handed so it isn't hard to guess what's coming from a street fighter. The kid tries to keep him back with a push kick that kimbo runs threw. Pause the video at 48-49 seconds Kimbo's hips are square, feet a parallel, lunging forward with his hands at his waist and gets hit with right hand and that's end of his night. All these fights end with one punch ko's from overly aggressive sloppy fighting. I'd call it getting caught not lucky. Like most pro sports the person who makes least amount of mistakes usually wins.


 
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Bublonichronic

Bublonichronic

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KryptoBud said:
What determines a "lucky punch" to you guys? If the same punch and same results happen in the 3rd round, still lucky?


Kimbo Slice is 30lbs heavier, 2" taller, has a 4" reach advantage, the beginning of the video says he didn't know he was fighting in the main event until he got to the arena that night, and he's fighting a guy with a big name. Celebrating and adrenaline are pretty common when someone gets ko'd especially in those circumstances.


Kimbo's a street fighter with very little actual training compared to most pro's. Like you said the 1 sets up the 2, 90% of the population is right handed so it isn't hard to guess what's coming from a street fighter. The kid tries to keep him back with a push kick that kimbo runs threw. Pause the video at 48-49 seconds Kimbo's hips are square, feet a parallel, lunging forward with his hands at his waist and gets hit with right hand and that's end of his night. All these fights end with one punch ko's from overly aggressive sloppy fighting. I'd call it getting caught not lucky. Like most pro sports the person who makes least amount of mistakes usually wins.

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This isn't debatable anyone who's been in a fight knows that a lucky punch is a very real thing, it's easy to sit in the couch n think these guys are precision marksmen with ever shot but that's just not reality
 
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KryptoBud

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Bublonichronic said:
This isn't debatable anyone who's been in a fight knows that a lucky punch is a very real thing, it's easy to sit in the couch n think these guys are precision marksmen with ever shot but that's just not reality
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Maybe in a school yard eyes closed windmilling punches might be lucky. The only people that talk "lucky punches" are the guys being helped up off the mat. It's an emotional loser's terminology trying to make an excuse for losing, period. I've never heard anyone credit a lucky punch for a win only losing. That's my experience and opinion neither weren't formed sitting on a couch watching. You seem angered by the subject. Have you been on the wrong end of lucky punches? You'd be better off looking at loss as a mistake you made, not the other guy getting lucky. Some say winning the lottery is lucky, but nobody just shows up at your door with the winning ticket. Matter of perspective I guess. What makes a punch lucky?
 
Bublonichronic

Bublonichronic

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KryptoBud said:
Maybe in a school yard eyes closed windmilling punches might be lucky. The only people that talk "lucky punches" are the guys being helped up off the mat. It's an emotional loser's terminology trying to make an excuse for losing, period. I've never heard anyone credit a lucky punch for a win only losing. That's my experience and opinion neither weren't formed sitting on a couch watching. You seem angered by the subject. Have you been on the wrong end of lucky punches? You'd be better off looking at loss as a mistake you made, not the other guy getting lucky. Some say winning the lottery is lucky, but nobody just shows up at your door with the winning ticket. Matter of perspective I guess. What makes a punch lucky?
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No never been on the receiving end of a lucky punch...but on the first page there is a professional boxer who believes in lucky punches, im sure all fighters do...Like I said before if someone has theyr head down not even looking at the opponent and throws a haymaker that happens to land clean, that is a lucky punch
 
mr sunshine

mr sunshine

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Padawanbater2 said:
I'm not talking about confidence, I'm talking about intention

It doesn't matter how confident you are, if you throw a punch in the middle of a fight and it knocks the opponent out, it does not matter how, when, where, or why the punch/kick/knee/elbow/choke/etc. was thrown. You are intending to win the fight.
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So you're saying if somebody wants to do something then does it, luck can't be involved because they intend to do said thing?


If I go put a hundred dollars in a machine at the casino and I win, I wasn't lucky?

If I throw a basketball clear across the court and it goes in, I wasn't lucky?

Many things that are out of your control have to line up to knock someone out with one lucky punch. The probability of something like that happening are so slim that you'd have to have a little bit of luck on your side to pull it off, against high level athletes.


We got a bet going, when I win... is it because I know way more then you about fighting or did I simply make my choice and get lucky? If what you're saying is right, and luck doesn't exist, then the only plausible explanation is... that I know more then you and based on that knowledge was able to pick the better figher.



Is that what you're going with?
 
jerryb73

jerryb73

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mr sunshine said:
So you're saying if somebody wants to do something then does it, luck can't be involved because they intend to do said thing?


If I go put a hundred dollars in a machine at the casino and I win, I wasn't lucky?

If I throw a basketball clear across the court and it goes in, I wasn't lucky?

Many things that are out of your control have to line up to knock someone out with one lucky punch. The probability of something like that happening are so slim that you'd have to have a little bit of luck on your side to pull it off, against high level athletes.


We got a bet going, when I win... is it because I know way more then you about fighting or did I simply make my choice and get lucky? If what you're saying is right, and luck doesn't exist, then the only plausible explanation is... that I know more then you and based on that knowledge was able to pick the better figher.



Is that what you're going with?
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Well said, sunshine
 
jerryb73

jerryb73

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Padawanbater2 said:
I don't believe in God or luck
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Luck is very real..

I'm a Texas hold 'em player, so when I go all in and my opponent calls only to find out they made a huge mistake cuz they are far behind with a small % chance to win. Now they hit runner runner ( last 2 cards) and catch the only 2 cards they could have to win the hand. Skill? I think not.. if you ever play that game you will see "luck" differently.. see it every time I play, people making horrible decisions only to be bailed out by luck..
 
Bublonichronic

Bublonichronic

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I mean I think pad is a very intelligent guy, but the fact he "doesn't believe in luck" kinda shows a black and white, is or isn't kind of mentality and the truth is we live in color not black n white...
 
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KryptoBud

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Every punch landed in a fight must be lucky. When pro fighters throw punches and miss is it bad luck or has the opponent trained to move his head and keep his hands up?

Comparing it to a slot machine isn't a fair analogy of course it's luck, but putting your money in the machine greatly increases your chances of winning. Same with half court shots, could be considered lucky. What happens though if you spend 10 hours a day for most of your life practicing that same shot? Still all luck?

Poker same same shit. You don't know what the flop, river, or turn cards a gonna be, but certainly know what your hole cards are and based off that, position at the table (blinds), chip count, and watching betting habits there's a lot of strategy involved in poker. If there wasn't and it was based on luck would there be professionals?

There are reasons pro fighters don't just show up the night of a fight. They want to know who the opponent is months in advance for a reason and that's strategy. I think it's basically a glass half full or a glass half empty kind of comparison. Luck or skill as long as your hands raised at the end who cares what people call it.
 
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