MMJ patients going to jail at faster rate

Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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straight up, most of all the bust in Washington for a few years have been all completely illegal and shady business models, often trafficking money into other illegal fields

thats not very smart, i dont even fuck around with state law

and to the OP who is so media blind it makes me laugh


i guarantee 100% that the amount of arrest positively correlated to the amount of growers now, with all the trend growers trying to jump on the trend wagon . . . . . this increase in incarceration is only a valid statistic for republicans and libertarians and they use it for the same personal agenda vs what it actually means . . .
 
Mr Neutron

Mr Neutron

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Samwell Seed Well said:
this increase in incarceration is only a valid statistic for republicans and libertarians and they use it for the same personal agenda vs what it actually means . . .
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Which is what?

That it is a higher priority to bust people involved with mmj than the bankers who laundered the cartel's money? Or the one's who created the housing bubble? Or the federal agents who let guns go to south across the border? Or the scammers who are bilking welfare/medicare for billions?
... and so on.
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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do you even have a point or is this just MRs Nuetrons cry a river thread

you have no point other than to bash things that dont even involve you anymore cause you decided to leave the US to Mexico

and use concepts that you do not fully understand . . . . there are more MMJ arrest cuase up until a few years ago not ver mny MMJ growers were even out their, selling producing for mass pateints . . . . . your see OBAMA is bad point is full of holes . . . . .your the fucking shea lebuff of RIU

so change the subject to more, to chicken little sky is falling shit . or that you moved to mexico to star in you own debbie does donkeys tiujuna show . . . .
 
Mr Neutron

Mr Neutron

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Samwell Seed Well said:
do you even have a point or is this just MRs Nuetrons cry a river thread

you have no point other than to bash things that dont even involve you anymore cause you decided to leave the US to Mexico

and use concepts that you do not fully understand . . . . there are more MMJ arrest cuase up until a few years ago not ver mny MMJ growers were even out their, selling producing for mass pateints . . . . . your see OBAMA is bad point is full of holes . . . . .your the fucking shea lebuff of RIU

so change the subject to more, to chicken little sky is falling shit . or that you moved to mexico to star in you own debbie does donkeys tiujuna show . . . .
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(for Sam): To very down red no sleep. Understand do get and before wet.

(for everybody else): Yes, I am in Mexico. As long as I have to pay extortion money to the fraudulent Infernal Revenue Service, I have a right to voice my opinion. Sam, like the rest of the Obama idolizers, wants to quell the voice of opposition and remove those who recognize their insanity.

Instead of attacking me, why don't you answer the fucking question? Or are you taking the same route as the rest of your statist buddies and ignore them?
 
Doer

Doer

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I say just ignore these dogs. They have no bite and the bark is weak.

IMO, the Fed will not allow big growers that don't pay Income Tax. It doesn't matter about State Law and if you try to fight it from there, you will do the time.

I'm against the Effort to legalize it, for that reason. The Feds won't have it. We need to stick to the medical route, small grows, caregivers, etc, I think.

There are still too many dirty hippy, counter culture types. They are marketing Counter Culture to kids. The Feds won't have it. The idea that CCKs are going take over States with their Communist Manifesto, creates the Federal backlash. I don't think it has much to do with the drug. Most folks know it is very benign and beneficial.

I mean, I feel the goodness, when my Military dad, asks me about it for my Aunt's cancer. And, I really resent the CCK from backsliding our gains on the Medical side with the same crap that put us under in the early 70s.
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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Doer said:
I say just ignore these dogs. They have no bite and the bark is weak.

IMO, the Fed will not allow big growers that don't pay Income Tax. It doesn't matter about State Law and if you try to fight it from there, you will do the time.
I'm against the Effort to legalize it, for that reason. The Feds won't have it. We need to stick to the medical route, small grows, caregivers, etc, I think.

There are still too many dirty hippy, counter culture types. The are marketing Counter Culture to kids. The Feds won't have it. The idea that CCKs are going take over
States with their Communist Manifesto, creates the Federal backlash. I don't think it has much to do with the drug. Most folks know it is very benign and benefitial.

I mean, when my Military dad, asks me about it for my Aunt's cancer, well, I really resent the CCK from backsliding our gains on the Medical side.
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great post . . . i mean look at CO and WA they are or were thinking about MMJ vending machines . . . . i mean that is just designed for abuse . . . .their is definitely a sense of your only guilt yof a crime when we feel like it . .

.but as you said if your paying taxes and have a legit business model for your type fo business , and you make sure 100% quality control that your product is state legal and stay under your numbers thats all there is to do and you wont get harassed . ..

the issue in Wa is cities making referendums banning MMJ establishments in there city centers or communities . . . this will only cause political up rising that 54% of WA, basically the a large majority of the western half of Wa, will vote politicians out if they do not allow us to acquire and medicate without undue persecution . . . .

personally the DUI clause made me rethink legalization but . . .in the long run as the idea of pot progress's as a common victim less act that is for the most part benign changes will be made to better regulate MJ for the masses
 
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spandy

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ChesusRice said:
So do you agree with me the simple solution is
Legal to grow and possess
illegal to sell?
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Accept for the illegal to sell part.

If I build 1 cedar chest, is that legal to sell?
What if I build a 1000 of them. Still legal?


Why should anything growing from the ground be any different? As mentioned in other words already, I made it, I sell it to a consenting adult, and pay a taxes on the gross margin.
 
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fdd2blk

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UncleBuck said:
oh, c'mon now!

no one deserves to be put away for a mutually beneficial transaction between two consenting adults.

i'm only here to point out that "SWAT style raids on state compliant growers" line is exaggeration. someone growing 1000 plants in cali is pushing the envelope and taking a huge risk, not state compliant. a felon in michigan growing 146 plants is not state compliant.

my issue is with the dishonest presentation of the argument. but you probably know this and you're just jerking my chain.

i hate you :cuss:
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you're only here to say you love Obama and everything he does. we get it.
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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ChesusRice said:
So do you agree with me the simple solution is
Legal to grow and possess
illegal to sell?
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No, just make it like a 21+ years old farmer's market type deal. Except you can have organic or synthetic( dirt or hydro). That way you can make a living off it like a real farmer, not some drug dealer. Flower shops exist. I see it as no differnt. Does your mom and pop flower shop make a hundred thousand or more, like a dispensary?
 
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ChesusRice

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spandy said:
Accept for the illegal to sell part.

If I build 1 cedar chest, is that legal to sell?
What if I build a 1000 of them. Still legal?


Why should anything growing from the ground be any different? As mentioned in other words already, I made it, I sell it to a consenting adult, and pay a taxes on the gross margin.
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Can you ingest a cedar chest?
 
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ChesusRice

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Canna Sylvan said:
No, just make it like a 21+ years old farmer's market type deal. Except you can have organic or synthetic( dirt or hydro). That way you can make a living off it like a real farmer, not some drug dealer. Flower shops exist. I see it as no differnt. Does your mom and pop flower shop make a hundred thousand or more, like a dispensary?
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Can you injest a boquet of roses?

If you want to sell it the goverment becomes involved
whether it is the USDA the FDA The BATFE or the DEA selling it aint gonna work as well as just making it legal to possess and grow for personal stash
 
desert dude

desert dude

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ChesusRice said:
Can you injest a boquet of roses?

If you want to sell it the goverment becomes involved
whether it is the USDA the FDA The BATFE or the DEA selling it aint gonna work as well as just making it legal to possess and grow for personal stash
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Cheesy, I have yet to see you make a coherent argument to support your, "legal to grow and possess, illegal to sell" position. I know you are against sales, I get that. I just don't see any rational argument to support keeping marijuana in the black market.

"Legal to grow and possess, illegal to sell" is an improvement over the current climate, I will grant you that, but it maintains the black market, it maintains the criminal sub-culture with all of its negative aspects. It freezes out a significant portion of the population who want to use marijuana but can't because they have no access to it. Your proposed law will only benefit the dealers, the prison guard unions, and the cops, i.e. the cartel.
 
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fdd2blk

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ChesusRice said:
Can you injest a boquet of roses?

If you want to sell it the goverment becomes involved
whether it is the USDA the FDA The BATFE or the DEA selling it aint gonna work as well as just making it legal to possess and grow for personal stash
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what else in the world does this apply to? :?
 
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ChesusRice

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desert dude said:
Cheesy, I have yet to see you make a coherent argument to support your, "legal to grow and possess, illegal to sell" position. I know you are against sales, I get that. I just don't see any rational argument to support keeping marijuana in the black market.

"Legal to grow and possess, illegal to sell" is an improvement over the current climate, I will grant you that, but it maintains the black market, it maintains the criminal sub-culture with all of its negative aspects. It freezes out a significant portion of the population who want to use marijuana but can't because they have no access to it. Your proposed law will only benefit the dealers, the prison guard unions, and the cops, i.e. the cartel.
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There wont be a black market and the black market that would exist would be of no consequence. Its a fucking weed. Anyone can grow it and everyone who wants some smoke most likely will. You want to take the chance of trying to sell weed when mids are 20 bucks an ounce?
 
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fdd2blk

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ChesusRice said:
There wont be a black market and the black market that would exist would be of no consequence. Its a fucking weed. Anyone can grow it and everyone who wants some smoke most likely will. You want to take the chance of trying to sell weed when mids are 20 bucks an ounce?
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sounds like SALES to me. :?
 
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