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Big P

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Barack Obama furious at General Stanley McChrystal speech on Afghanistan

The relationship between President Barack Obama and the commander of Nato forces in Afghanistan has been put under severe strain by Gen Stanley McChrystal's comments on strategy for the war.



By Alex Spillius in Washington
Published: 7:00AM BST 05 Oct 2009



US General Stanley McChrystal Photo: AFP/GETTY


According to sources close to the administration, Gen McChrystal shocked and angered presidential advisers with the bluntness of a speech given in London last week.

The next day he was summoned to an awkward 25-minute face-to-face meeting on board Air Force One on the tarmac in Copenhagen, where the president had arrived to tout Chicago's unsuccessful Olympic bid.

Gen James Jones, the national security adviser, yesterday did little to allay the impression the meeting had been awkward.

Asked if the president had told the general to tone down his remarks, he told CBS: "I wasn't there so I can't answer that question. But it was an opportunity for them to get to know each other a little bit better. I am sure they exchanged direct views."

An adviser to the administration said: "People aren't sure whether McChrystal is being naïve or an upstart. To my mind he doesn't seem ready for this Washington hard-ball and is just speaking his mind too plainly."

In London, Gen McChrystal, who heads the 68,000 US troops in Afghanistan as well as the 100,000 Nato forces, flatly rejected proposals to switch to a strategy more reliant on drone missile strikes and special forces operations against al-Qaeda.

He told the Institute of International and Strategic Studies that the formula, which is favoured by Vice-President Joe Biden, would lead to "Chaos-istan".
When asked whether he would support it, he said: "The short answer is: No."
He went on to say: "Waiting does not prolong a favorable outcome. This effort will not remain winnable indefinitely, and nor will public support."
The remarks have been seen by some in the Obama administration as a barbed reference to the slow pace of debate within the White House.

Gen McChrystal delivered a report on Afghanistan requested by the president on Aug 31, but Mr Obama held only his second "principals meeting" on the issue last week.

He will hold at least one more this week, but a decision on how far to follow Gen McChrystal's recommendation to send 40,000 more US troops will not be made for several weeks.

A military expert said: "They still have working relationship but all in all it's not great for now."

Some commentators regarded the general's London comments as verging on insubordination.

Bruce Ackerman, an expert on constitutional law at Yale University, said in the Washington Post: "As commanding general, McChrystal has no business making such public pronouncements."

He added that it was highly unusual for a senior military officer to "pressure the president in public to adopt his strategy".

Relations between the general and the White House began to sour when his report, which painted a grim picture of the allied mission in Afghanistan, was leaked. White House aides have since briefed against the general's recommendations.

The general has responded with a series of candid interviews as well as the speech. He told Newsweek he was firmly against half measures in Afghanistan: "You can't hope to contain the fire by letting just half the building burn."

As a divide opened up between the military and the White House, senior military figures began criticising the White House for failing to tackle the issue more quickly.

They made no secret of their view that without the vast ground force recommended by Gen McChrystal, the Afghan mission could end in failure and a return to power of the Taliban.

"They want to make sure people know what they asked for if things go wrong," said Lawrence Korb, a former assistant secretary of defence.
Critics also pointed out that before their Copenhagen encounter Mr Obama had only met Gen McChrystal once since his appointment in June.
 

The Warlord

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Lets see.
Experienced professional career soldier or some upstart politician from chicago. On how to win a war i'll go with the general on this one. :peace:
 

Carl Moss

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Let me start by saying that I believe that in the end this should be McChrystal's call. President Obama appointed McChrystal and gave him a specific strategy. Obama cannot now deny him the resources he needs. To not give McChrystal what he needs to succeed would be immoral, unethical, and downright wrong. IF Obama pulls the rug out from under McChrystal, he will have officially lost my support, for good..

BUT...

I think it would behoove McChrystal, and others to respect the chain of command. No one is served by leaking documents or going over the president's head to make public statements to reporters in foreign lands. I believe it does a dis-service to the military when a general goes political. American politics is dirty, muddy, and impure. The military, on the other hand, is strong, quiet, of great character and hard working; And quite frankly one of the best things about our country. I want the military to stay away from politics, because the military is above that shit.

Anyways. The bottom line is this. Pony up Obama, prove to me and millions of others that you're not the total piece of shit that you are starting to appear to be...
 

RickWhite

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I think there is a legal issue with a member of the military making political statements while in uniform and in that respect the General may have been out of line. However, I do think the way Obama is handling this, and most things, demonstrates that he is a megalomaniac more concerned with doing things his way than the right way. Clearly, Obama should be listening to and trusting the opinion of his Generals who are in theater.

It seems that although Obama started out well liked and respected by many, his charm is fading very quickly.
 

MuyLocoNC

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The remarks have been seen by some in the Obama administration as a barbed reference to the slow pace of debate within the White House.
Barbed reference is the LEAST this administration deserves, after chastising the former administration for not reacting fast enough to it's general's requests, it's inexcusable for them not to have taken action on a request that was submitted in August. The general is trying to win a war and keep American casualties to a minimum... which is exactly what he should be doing. Why the hell should he stay silent while they are fucking around with health care and capntrade and other bullshit most of us dont want, while we are at war. Get your eye on the ball, all that elitist, academia-bred anti war bullshit doesn't amount to squat when you're actually at war. It just gets young men killed, let them off the leash or bring them home.
 
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