mmma down???

GregS

GregS

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purklize said:
If he did something wrong, why don't you offer specifics? Guilt by association is not guilt at all.
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"...Rep. Mike Callton (517-373-0842) is drafting up a bill that would make it illegal for a patient that does not grow their own meds, or that doesnt have a caregiver to grow their meds for them, to get their medication from anywhere other than a dispensary. What does this mean? MONEY! While the Michigan Medical Marijuana Assosiation was protesting on the lawn of the Capitol building last year, a group called "Cannabis Patients United" was inside, hi-jacking our protest. CPU told our Reps in Lansing that they represented all the people that were protesting. They told the Reps that we wanted our dispensaries back. Truth be told, we didnt want dispensaries."

medcnman's psychic abilities are astounding. CPU members most certainly did none of the things he accused them of, and the mods/admin at the Romper Room censored efforts to defend themselves and and misrepresented its position. To ensure that no one insist this is not so or that it is being taken out of context, see: http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/topic/38358-alert-the-press/page__st__20

Next question?
 
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bob harris

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GregS said:
"...Rep. Mike Callton (517-373-0842) is drafting up a bill that would make it illegal for a patient that does not grow their own meds, or that doesnt have a caregiver to grow their meds for them, to get their medication from anywhere other than a dispensary. What does this mean? MONEY! While the Michigan Medical Marijuana Assosiation was protesting on the lawn of the Capitol building last year, a group called "Cannabis Patients United" was inside, hi-jacking our protest. CPU told our Reps in Lansing that they represented all the people that were protesting. They told the Reps that we wanted our dispensaries back. Truth be told, we didnt want dispensaries."

medcnman's psychic abilities are astounding. CPU members most certainly did none of the things he accused them of, censored efforts to defend themselves, and misrepresented its position. To ensure that no one insist this is not so or that it is being taken out of context, see: http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/topic/38358-alert-the-press/page__st__20

Next question?
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Yes..so what do YOU think the proper distribution system should be?
 
GregS

GregS

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My personal take is that p2p xfers are allowed under section 4(a), to include transfers to and from any patient to or from any other. Caregivers who do not enjoy patient status are prohibited from xferring to anyone except those patients who designate them as primary. If they are patient/caregivers they are protected in any transfer except to a caregiver who is not a patient. I think the pharmer's markets can and should be operated with that in mind, with the caveat that caution must be observed because the courts and LEO are getting away with their illegal agendas and putting us in jail in contravention to the act. The Compassionate Apothecary business model also meets the letter and intent of the law, unless there is something in that case I am unaware of. Retail dispensaries are not permitted under the MMMA. As a practical matter they are unworkable, given quantity limitations. The legislation at play in Lasing is intended to deny any p2p xfers, which is the chosen distribution model of the electorate, and it is being trashed by Horn, Cavanaugh, Walsh, et al.

I am beginning to work at the fall campaign to use the three million member Michigan voting block that we have.

Were you not aware of medcnman's bullshit?
 
blissfest

blissfest

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GregS said:
"...Rep. Mike Callton (517-373-0842) is drafting up a bill that would make it illegal for a patient that does not grow their own meds, or that doesnt have a caregiver to grow their meds for them, to get their medication from anywhere other than a dispensary. What does this mean? MONEY! While the Michigan Medical Marijuana Assosiation was protesting on the lawn of the Capitol building last year, a group called "Cannabis Patients United" was inside, hi-jacking our protest. CPU told our Reps in Lansing that they represented all the people that were protesting. They told the Reps that we wanted our dispensaries back. Truth be told, we didnt want dispensaries."

medcnman's psychic abilities are astounding. CPU members most certainly did none of the things he accused them of, censored efforts to defend themselves, and misrepresented its position. To ensure that no one insist this is not so or that it is being taken out of context, see: http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/topic/38358-alert-the-press/page__st__20

Next question?
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Where do the dispensaries get their meds?
 
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bob harris

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GregS said:
My personal take is that p2p xfers are allowed under section 4(a), to include transfers to and from any patient to or from any other. Caregivers who do not enjoy patient status are prohibited from xferring to anyone except those patients who designate them as primary. If they are patient/caregivers they are protected in any transfer except to a caregiver who is not a patient. I think the pharmer's markets can and should be operated with that in mind, with the caveat that caution must be observed because the courts and LEO are getting away with their illegal agendas and putting us in jail in contravention to the act. The Compassionate Apothecary business model also meets the letter and intent of the law, unless there is something in that case I am unaware of. Retail dispensaries are not permitted under the MMMA. As a practical matter they are unworkable, given quantity limitations. The legislation at play in Lasing is intended to deny any p2p xfers, which is the chosen distribution model of the electorate, and is being trashed by Horn, Cavanaugh, Walsh, et al.

I am beginning to work at the fall campaign to use the three million member Michigan voting block that we have.

Were you not aware of medcnman's bullshit?
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No idea of who medcnman is..I agree with your p2p and caregiver transfer assessment. But there does need to be a Dispensary or Market or something for patients that don't wish to grow..AND don't wish to give their plants to a cg. I'm still forming my opinion on what method would work best for that.
 
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purklize

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From what I know the CPU is willing to make compromises that I would not want made.

Retail dispensaries are not permitted under the MMMA. As a practical matter they are unworkable, given quantity limitations.
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Great, this again? They are permitted. Read the law yourself. There is no law in Michigan against the sale of marijuana, only one against the delivery of marijuana. The MMMA legalized delivery of marijuana from one patient to another, therefore dispensaries are legal. Even Schuette "warned" Michiganders that the MMMA would legalize dispensaries.
 
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bob harris

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blissfest said:
Where do the dispensaries get their meds?
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My take would be that they get them from patient overages and cg overages. Which would make them like a Farmers market to an extent(an outlet for overages) With the added benifit of a control point. IE: testing before sale so the patient knows what he's buying. And please don't say Farmers Markets save the patient money. In general the prices at the markets I've seen were just as high as dispensary prices.

You could do "permanent" markets too..if testing and labeling the meds was mandatory...same result for the patient. But I don't think we need both.

I lean towards dispensaries only because a patient should have a fixed location that is open every day to fulfill his needs. Markets sound transient, and occasional to me. Why should a patient only have 1 day a week he can get meds?
 
gladstoned

gladstoned

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You guys lose me with the legal jargon. This is the way I look at it. If a legal patient cannot get their meds from several dozen places legally then it's bullshit. And anyone that would want to block their being several different avenues of obtaining medicine is more than likely a greedy fuck who wants to exploit patients.
That is my opinion and I could be very wrong with that opinion. I guess I would say, that is my hunch. I have been to several compassion center and have never been able to obtain meds. Does anyone know of a compassion center where a patient can get meds. (Without signing with a caregiver). I really don't know shit about a compassion center cuz they never really explain it.
 
gladstoned

gladstoned

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bob harris said:
My take would be that they get them from patient overages and cg overages. Which would make them like a Farmers market to an extent(an outlet for overages) With the added benifit of a control point. IE: testing before sale so the patient knows what he's buying. And please don't say Farmers Markets save the patient money. In general the prices at the markets I've seen were just as high as dispensary prices.

You could do "permanent" markets too..if testing and labeling the meds was mandatory...same result for the patient. But I don't think we need both.

I lean towards dispensaries only because a patient should have a fixed location that is open every day to fulfill his needs. Markets sound transient, and occasional to me. Why should a patient only have 1 day a week he can get meds?
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Farmer's market $250 for good shit.
Dispensary $450 for good shit
 
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purklize

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This is the way I look at it. If a legal patient cannot get their meds from several dozen places legally then it's bullshit. And anyone that would want to block their being several different avenues of obtaining medicine is more than likely a greedy fuck who wants to exploit patients.
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I couldn't agree more. There is no reason we cannot have caregivers, farmer's markets, AND dispensaries. In fact they are very much complementary to each other.
 
blissfest

blissfest

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bob harris said:
My take would be that they get them from patient overages and cg overages. Which would make them like a Farmers market to an extent(an outlet for overages) With the added benifit of a control point. IE: testing before sale so the patient knows what he's buying. And please don't say Farmers Markets save the patient money. In general the prices at the markets I've seen were just as high as dispensary prices.

You could do "permanent" markets too..if testing and labeling the meds was mandatory...same result for the patient. But I don't think we need both.

I lean towards dispensaries only because a patient should have a fixed location that is open every day to fulfill his needs. Markets sound transient, and occasional to me. Why should a patient only have 1 day a week he can get meds?
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Thats how it "was"? Then BS fucked everyone.
 
ismokealotofpot

ismokealotofpot

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bob harris said:
My take would be that they get them from patient overages and cg overages. Which would make them like a Farmers market to an extent(an outlet for overages) With the added benifit of a control point. IE: testing before sale so the patient knows what he's buying. And please don't say Farmers Markets save the patient money. In general the prices at the markets I've seen were just as high as dispensary prices.

You could do "permanent" markets too..if testing and labeling the meds was mandatory...same result for the patient. But I don't think we need both.

I lean towards dispensaries only because a patient should have a fixed location that is open every day to fulfill his needs. Markets sound transient, and occasional to me. Why should a patient only have 1 day a week he can get meds?
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Bob listen real close ok. If you or anyone ever admits to having overages then you are committing a felony. understand?
 
GregS

GregS

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bob harris said:
No idea of who medcnman is..I agree with your p2p and caregiver transfer assessment. But there does need to be a Dispensary or Market or something for patients that don't wish to grow..AND don't wish to give their plants to a cg. I'm still forming my opinion on what method would work best for that.
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medcnman is just another idiot who trashes people without reason.

Until and unless a dispensary can conduct its business and remain compliant with possession limits they are unworkable. If there is a way to accomplish that I am listening. And regarding the Compassionate Apothecary model, I expect that a business that rents storage to patients and caregivers can readily argue that it does not at any time possess any cannabis, as long as the staff is remains compliant. That issue is now on its way to the Michigan Supreme Court. It can be more accurately described as a storage facility, rather than a dispensary. This last term brings with it visions of pounds of cannabis displayed in jars to all who enter. Recall that I believe pharm markets are legitimate, so long as someone rides herd to ensure compliance. Between those three: PhMs, storage facilities, and individual xfers, availability should be quite good.

I did not suggest that sales are not permitted purklize. Pay attention.
 
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bob harris

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blissfest said:
Thats how it "was"? Then BS fucked everyone.
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I understand that...but his opinion is not law..only viewed as law for the time being. The law is still being shaped. Hence it is necessary to get involved in shaping the bills that will become law.

I can live with only one..dispensaries or markets...but it sure seems unfair to the patient to FORCE them to grow or designate a cg. They should have the ability to do neither..and still have access to meds. Bottom line: this whole thing is about Patients...not care givers or farmers. So there has to be one or the other or both...or the patient is the one who suffers.
 
blissfest

blissfest

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GregS said:
medcnman is just another idiot who trashes people without reason.

Until and unless a dispensary can conduct its business and remain compliant with possession limits they are unworkable. If there is a way to accomplish that I am listening. And regarding the Compassionate Apothecary model, I expect that a business that rents storage to patients and caregivers can readily argue that it does not at any time possess any cannabis, as long as the staff is remains compliant. That issue is now on its way to the Michigan Supreme Court. It can be more accurately described as a storage facility, rather than a dispensary. That term brings with it visions of pounds of cannabis displayed in jars to all who enter.

I did not suggest that sales are not permitted purklize. Pay attention.
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You just have atleast 3 caregivers that are maxed out with cards on site at all times, that is 45 oz's? How much more do you want?
 
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