MMPR Licensed Producer Thread
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bigmanc
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Really, hydro is #1 eh...i would have thought wages. Your going to need atleast 4+ people id think? I feel as if you penetrate the market with 7$ a gram your going to be LAUGHING. At that rate your making good money while still passing on your savings to the customers. $7 x 10,000g's yup you will do alrightI have heard about the same, but not from any official source. From what I have heard, once you have your "security and storage" inspection, you can grow, then you have to wait for your "distribution" inspection prior to selling. I just want to get the first inspection, been waiting months for it.
@bigmanc 2000g a day say $15-20k capable a day...small profits? Whats going to be the biggest overhead for a LP?
We will produce about 10 kg per week. The cost of start-up, building, etc., need to amortized. The hydro is the biggest expense, then staffing, then regulatory compliance (testing, lab fees, QA staffing and equipment, office staff to file everything that HC wants, extreme security requirements), then customer support (call centre, shipping, etc.) The cost to produce under the MMPR is many times higher than under the MMAR was.
I am confident that because of our low overhead and small size, we can sell at a very reasonable price. We don't have the big management team, CEO's, high rents, or debt repayment that many of the larger players have. I am first, a patient, and secondly, a nurse that strongly believes in the medical properties of marijuana. I want to be able to sell at a price that people can afford. I am not sure what that is, but I am not expecting to get rich. I want to make enough profit so we can live a happy life. i think that is a good goal for me.
How many people are going to be doing the day-to-day at your shop? cause i mean, if hydro is #1 is it really going to cost over 100$ an hour? hmm yet the lights work 24hrs...hmmm i bet you had fun figuring all this out way back when
I only ask because if MMAR or somewhat does come back or atleast an altered version, im going to build a steel building on a slab about 20x60, partially for a few cars and the rest for me and the womans grow.
Jackal69
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well the whole business plan of LP's is cut costs at the expense of patients .... irradiate to pass..... over sell your product so patients can't get their whole script at one time.... out price patients so they can't order their whole script at once ....you know normal LP
MaryMaryMary
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Anybody spoken to Aphria as an LP? They have a pretty cool greenhouse system running, I wonder what their prices are gonna be.
bigmanc
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I hear ya on that but i dont think marijejane would need to go that route. With 10kg a week she has plenty of supply, depending where she ships from might be in her advantage aswell.
You guys bring up a really good point, how much are people actually ordering for day to day use? I.E. actually paying say 10$g X 5g/d x 7 days a week.
If i had to guess, very little.
MarijeJane
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Hi Jackal: I don't understand your assumption that all Lps will be the same. This is a business. Not all businesses, such as restaurants are the same. Some have great food and service, some suck! Yes, some of the current Lps have made the mistakes you mentioned, but for a company to stay in business, like a restaurant, you have to have a good product and good service, especially when they will be competition. The current Lps don't have much competition, but there will be in the future. I hope that by treating people well, having fair prices and great quality will make my business successful.
MaryMaryMary
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lol gb123 you should stop with your incessant putting down of everything. there are tons and tons of businesses that are fair and do well for themselves. in fact, i will go a step further and say that if you want to do well long-term as a business, you better be treating your customers fairly or they will frig off elsewhere at the earliest opportunity. the world ain't a monopolyDream world, and it Shows by leaps and bounds!
Business and fair in the same statement?..... Finished before you ever started!
VIANARCHRIS
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I am surprised at the number of LP's that are eager to bend over for Harpshit and HC. The money invested in setting up a business that may or may not exist on the whim of a government is fool hardy in my opinion, however I guess some may recoup their losses through tax write-offs.What you will never get back is a return for your time, energy and frustration. What happens in Feb. when the courts strike down the entire MMPR and allow patients to grow their own? How many LP's will survive when a person could get a DG at a fraction of the cost rather than being a forced customer? And, horror of all horrors, what happens when mj is legalized for recreational use? I suspect there will still be some demand for LP product, but certainly not the influx of captive customers their business plans were formed on. I don't begrudge the LP's right to grow (hey, as long a cannabis is growing, I'm happy!) but I think they would be wise to band together and push for recreational use. Their only future is going to be operating in a market similar to alcohol producers.How about it LP's, are you going to continue to bend over every time Stevie feels the urge in order to support the bottom line or are you going to fight back against ridiculous rules in support of your customers? IMO that's where this whole patients vs LP's started. The patients actually organized and went to court to fight for our rights, yet the LP's, while saying they are in it to 'help' the sick do nothing that might jeopardize there chances of cashing in.
Jackal69
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you forget that HC don't want anymore LP's.... seems they deem what is out is good enough. What LP hasn't done one of the things I mentioned?
by the way I'm not ordering a burger
MarijeJane
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I guess I may have had the order wrong, but not by much. I included some of the staff in "regulatory compliance" and "security". Hydro will be about $ 25 - 30 K per month.Really, hydro is #1 eh...i would have thought wages. Your going to need atleast 4+ people id think? I feel as if you penetrate the market with 7$ a gram your going to be LAUGHING. At that rate your making good money while still passing on your savings to the customers. $7 x 10,000g's yup you will do alright
How many people are going to be doing the day-to-day at your shop? cause i mean, if hydro is #1 is it really going to cost over 100$ an hour? hmm yet the lights work 24hrs...hmmm i bet you had fun figuring all this out way back when
I only ask because if MMAR or somewhat does come back or atleast an altered version, im going to build a steel building on a slab about 20x60, partially for a few cars and the rest for me and the womans grow.
I didn't mention the cost for insurance, security monitoring, software, book-keeping, lawyers, accountants, etc. There are a lot of costs involved and having an expensive lawyer is one of them.
We plan on 4 full time for plant/growing/harvesting. We will need office staff, customer service reps, sales reps (maybe), trimmers, packagers, etc., total of about 8 or 9 full time people, maybe more.
Who knows if the MMAR, MMPR, or a blend of the two will come out at the end. Either way, I have a great building to grow and store great marijuana in, I am not that worried either way.
bigmanc
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Sign me up as a gardener, man would that be something. I do however expect the employee discount because if im not in the greatest health i cant show up to work 
all kidding aside, dream job seriously but i do hope the 2 programs unite. Honestly, drop the DG and use LPs...thats a fair comprimise, i think? ATP/PUPL/LP Now that i think about it, wouldnt it have been easier to keep the MMAR but let the doors open to competitors of PPS?
MaryMaryMary
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Lol it's getting legalized one way or another, the bigger LP's are probably cashed up enough to wait for that to happen. And either way, the MMPR won't get scrapped completely.. at most, they'll make a hybrid where the MMPR exists as is for people that want to buy it (yes, they exist and many more will join this party) and then they will also allow probably a personal number of plants for people to grow, maybe you'll have to go through a lengthier process to get a personal production licence now but they'll do that.. bottom of the line, LP's will always have a market
VIANARCHRIS
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I said there would still be a market for LP's to tap into and good on 'em. You failed to address my point of the practice of LP's caving in to every demand made by HC, regardless of the consequences for the patients. Is this industry happy to plod along like little sheep asking 'how high?' (pun intended) every time HC says to jump? There are not that many LP's so banding together to demand reasonable rules should be fairly simple. If you all collectively refuse to accept HC's idiotic requirements, what will happen. If they shut you all down, they are in violation of the court decision guaranteeing access. Grow some balls and join the fight. Or abandon your principles for a chance at a few dollars. Your call.
VIANARCHRIS
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It may have been easier and fairer to incorporate a blend of the two programs, but I'm sure those with aspirations of being an LP, or more likely their investors and lawyers fought against it. Harper had promised them a multi-billion dollar industry and there would be NO WAY they would willingly give up any portion of their captive market. While patients were/are fighting for their rights, the LP community was/is working against us in order to maximize market share. Many if not most of these LP's were involved in black market production and sales of marijuana before the advent of the mmpr and some long before the introduction of the mmar. A lot of them were fighting the same fight I have been fighting for 30+ years...ending prohibition. Their willingness to now cave and become government controlled puppets is a glaring indication of their character.
MarijeJane
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As far as I know, the current LPs do meet with HC and try to make the rules a little more logical. Health Canada is the boss in this. The Lps would rather develop a different plan, but they can't. They are forced to work within the rules and guidelines created by Health Canada.
If you could, what "reasonable rules" would you like to see in the MMPR?