Molasses part 2

Well i am using small amounts every week and i think that i can see an improvement especially in the thickness of the leaves.
Anyway i dont wish to argue with you about it any longer as there are so many methods and means for growing its unreal and so far from what i can see everyone and every company says theirs is the best,personally i just use cheap old miracle grow levingtons tomorite and a bit of molasses and it seems to be just fine.
Just out of interest have you done a side by side comparison yourself?

if you grow organic my friend

you do not use toxic molasses

no need for it,,

resinman

it is a 10 hour boiled chemical compound

think about it,,it is not organic,,,,maybe the charlatans tell you that,,,,

organaic commercial farmers do not touch or use the crap


hahahaha,,,amazing the non sense myths you hear the net


resinman

Resinman said:

it is a 10 hour boiled chemical compound

think about it,,it is not organic,,,,maybe the charlatans tell you that,,,,

organaic commercial farmers do not touch or use the crap


hahahaha,,,amazing the non sense myths you hear the net


resinman

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finally someone that is with me.....Black strap is like the worst of the molasses, at least use grandmas or something else that is just sun reduced cane sugar, it has way more sugar in it than black strap, and is not as processed , I like using Raw sugar or turbinado....it's the sugar that you want

Black Strap is the byproduct it has the lowest sugar content, I wouldn't use it......

I was led to believe that it was organic,if this is not the case then they could be sued,i will look into it.

I will try your method on my next grow and do a side by side comparison,i will do 3 plants,1 with molasses,1 with white sugar and one with brown and post pics up on a weekly basis of plants grown from seed,i am new to the molasses thing so i cannot claim to know anything apart from what i have tried to read about it from others.

I will use the supposedly organic blackstrap molasses as i dont have access to grannys in my country at least that way we can see which if any plants show any differences,i know a post on a net forum doesnt count for much in the way of trust but i can assure you that i will do the test truthfully,if the molasses sux then we will see it first hand.

Also do you know anything about using fructose as i may get a jar of this also and do 4 plants instead of 3,anyway it is good to hear all sides of the story,peace

i have a question about molasses...i couldn't find blackstrap at my grocery store so i was debating between grandma's and this stuff called brer rabbit. the brer rabbit had 3 more grams of total carbohydrate so i went with that...don't know if that matters or not. my question was does it matter what kind it is?

I was advised to use organic blackstrap but then others are saying that its not even organic so to be honest i dont really know as im not a scientist,if i were you i would just use your common sense and if the plants seem to like it go with it

This thread is an outstanding example of pooling the collective resources this site has available. The informtion flow is fantastic and whether you agree with use or non use or flush or non flush is irrelavent.

I look forward to the scientfically, as best as possible, done side by side tests as that my friends is the true determination. Of course it will be conclusive only for the conditions under which the test was conducted (e.g., strain, light, soil, etc.) but given multiple trials we may be able to one day say, "it appears that doing x will give a significant probability of producing y results".

The information has been presented, let the trials begin!

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i have a question about molasses...i couldn't find blackstrap at my grocery store so i was debating between grandma's and this stuff called brer rabbit. the brer rabbit had 3 more grams of total carbohydrate so i went with that...don't know if that matters or not. my question was does it matter what kind it is?

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brier rabbit is awsome it is one of my favorites, as is grannies...I also like using natural and organic maple syrup...spring tree is the best, it's almost completely sugar....honey also works and so does corn syrup......

what i understand from grandmas molasses

is it comes from sugar cane that is shipped in from abroad

It needs to be labled GMO free with a seal

or a Certified seal stating that the cane came from organic grown cane,,,it will be a organic certification determining the cane and the farm,,,not the refining methods used

there is a loopole in that,,,they can say organic,,,in advertising with out a seal,,,


also in the current application of a sugar substance,,,if being used with a nutrient solution to feed the plant,,,,you would use organic domino sugar from walmart,,,no need for molasses,,,,up to 1 tbls in 5 gallons of water

or you can use a teaspoon or two of raw organic sugar bought at walmarts,,,put in 5 gals of water ,,,its up to you

if you want,,,,,there is no need for molasses,,,,,you can use it,,,but simple sugar is easier and most already have it in the kitchen

what has happened is a individual back on overgrow.com Who suffers from a multiple personality disorder posted that molasses manuel,,,most of the info is derived from the marijuana grow shops that started selling molasses based synergizers for hydro chemical water systems 16 years ago,,,The individual with the dual or triple personality complex just cut and pasted a bunch of non sense,,,sugars added into the container garden and elsewhere has been around along time

anyone ever put sugar in there cut flowers or Xmas tree


i hope that helps

resinman

resinman..... pot calling the kettle black?????????

SylvanElf

actually i do not support sugar chemicals in the organic grow mix

i just gave the audience another option offering a easier and better method of the sugar high to the plant. ,,,which i do not support or utilize for myself,,,if you want sugar in your garden,,,,why would you use molasses,,,,,it is so deceptive and total non sense,,,any type of sugar almost any can be used for the sugar crowd

as i stated in a previous post,,,"If you must use sugar",,,because there is alot of organic sugar users out there,,,there is no need to use molasses,,,plain and simple.

SylvanElf

resinman does not advocate the use of simple sugars added directly to plants and soils for a organic grow

i hope that is clear

SylvanElf

"It takes one to know one" or the "pot calling the kettle black"

your statement is incorrect ,,,,and very deceptive,,,

It is not accurate

resinman

Resinman said:

if you grow organic my friend

you do not use toxic molasses

no need for it,,

resinman

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sylvanelf i should have made it clear all simple sugars and molasses included

i hope this clears up your non sense accusation

i gave an example,,,,not something i advocate

i thought it was clear but your accusation needed to be clarified

i was just offering a much easier option for the sugar (molasses) crowd

resinman

SylvanElf said:

resinman..... pot calling the kettle black?????????

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SylvanElf

That is non sense,,i think you read my posts wrong or are just having fun,,maybe a advocate shit stirer upper,,,hahahaha

so the only one involved with Hypocrisy as you claim,,,may just be yourself my friend,,,take a good look in the mirror,,,so try and keep the story straight ,,,if you can

just offered a better alternative,,,,No need for the quasi intellectual perverted diplomatic name calling,,,


resinman

Here are the nutrients available in blackstrap molasses. It makes sense your plant benefits from these.
WHFoods: Blackstrap molasses

resinman, thanks for you time and reply. I misunderstood your inent but appreciate teh information and opinion you have offered. Good growing to you!

virginharvester

that is a chart for human consumption

the so called "nutients" (minerals) in molasses when directly applied to the plant is not available,,,,,the Chemical sucrose sugar is what the plants immune system reacts to,,,thats why any sugar can be used.

Thats why millions of True organic growers that use no sugar or molasses have thriving monster plants,,,,

what came first,,,,the healthy organic plant or molasses?

resinman

sylvanelf

that is cool,,,,,i will not try any longer to dissuade the mob mentality about obsessions and the emotions of the passion of wanting to do it my or your or there way

many different avenues available,,,,,

everyone likes a different cup of tea


resinman

one more interesting tidbit

the individual in the second page of the thread has re posted the cut and paste from the 3littlepigs

the molasses they use and recommend is a genetically modified product concentrated with pesticides,,,its not organic,,,under the current goverment standards

the individual is a charlatan,,,,its amazing how sheep can be led to slaughter

i hope this was able to raise a higher thought of learning

quote from the one individual who calls him 3littlepigs

"our choice of Brer Rabbit molasses as an example is simply due to our familiarity with the product"

go figure

resinman

Resinman said:

virginharvester

that is a chart for human consumption

the so called "nutients" (minerals) in molasses when directly applied to the plant is not available,,,,,

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Why not?

the Chemical sucrose sugar is what the plants immune system reacts to,,,thats why any sugar can be used.

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this reaction is a good thing or bad thing?

Thats why millions of True organic growers that use no sugar or molasses have thriving monster plants,,,,

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I've never been under the impression someone was advising molasses to be what makes monster plants monsters, just that as part of your finishing it's a good thing. I also thought it was interesting that molasses contains the micro nutrients since most people flushing stop feeding plants and if available would be good for them.