mold shmold

hello everyone
i seem to have a problam. some sort of mold took over my veg room and its killing my HOs. it's a real shame since i have 7 strains in there: white widow, sour kush, kandy kush, critical kush, LSD, super lemon OG and white shark. i fear i am gonna lose all.
i made every possible mistake. closed the air flow for a night so the humidity rised to 100%, ignored black spots as i was thinking it was just deficency though it was clear it wasent, not spreading the contaminated and sprying inside the room like crazy. so now all the room is infected.
i tried fungicide, but it didnt work so i will try another in few days, but i fear the worst.
oh god, all this fungi made me feel defiled. like Azog rode my Azz for hours.
any advice?
G

put a fan on those things, mold does not like moving air, mold does not like peroxide or bleach. mold does not like dry conditions. And the last pic looks more like a deff than mold to me. iron, boron....micro nutes all together?? https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688 read this for a few days!!

Until you get room conditions under control, I.E. get the humidity under 60%, anything you use will only be a band-aid fix. Neem oil has anti-fungal properties and some swear by a milk spray, but I couldnt imagine spraying milk on buds myself. I use Azamax as a preventive for both mold and bugs but everything is futile till you get that humidity way down.

sativa indica pits said:

put a fan on those things, mold does not like moving air, mold does not like peroxide or bleach. mold does not like dry conditions. And the last pic looks more like a deff than mold to me. iron, boron....micro nutes all together?? https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688 read this for a few days!!

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Look into where you get your air from ..maybe some serious mold shit out doors, anyways keep shit dry make it difficult for mold to be around but do water your plants weekly and keep a Rh gauge in there

tnx for the wonderful advices.
once i opend the window again, the RH is 45-55% again. i took mesures to lower it down even more. i ordered this. do u think it will work?
http://www.amazon.com/Gurin-Electric-Compact-Dehumidifier/dp/B00ANX1PIK/ref=lp_267557011_1_11?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1387907435&sr=1-11
i also ordered much stronger fan.
i did neglected the veg room, and i am paying the price.
i will also water less, much less during winter.
as for the milk, its just to rise ph. backing soda will do the same. mold dosnt like high ph. i will give i a try but i dont want to spray any more water, any water, on my plants. so for a week or so i will dry them good.
i dont have control of where the air comes from. i am kinda limited with that parameter.

i dont think it deficency, since i saw it happen over night on all the wet spots.

tnx again for the advice.

yea that looks good, so do you have a flower room set up yet? Man I can only tell whats in store for your plants if you do not kill that mold!!,,, and yes your right mold does not like high ph one bit, any mushroom grower will tell you that!!

FYI- Milk/water mixture did nothing for PM but it did however stink up my room something terrible. I had to empty the room so I could wash everything in order to get rid of the sour milk smell.
Environmental control has been the best at controlling the mold for me.

sativa indica pits said:

yea that looks good, so do you have a flower room set up yet? Man I can only tell whats in store for your plants if you do not kill that mold!!,,, and yes your right mold does not like high ph one bit, any mushroom grower will tell you that!!

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in my flower room RH is 40%, and today i lolypap all the plants with lots of care. hope it will last. i did found some lower leaves with what i suspect to be the same mold. it seems this mold crap likes certain strains much more then others, the sour kush and the white widow where the first to get it, and they got it badly, now the same strains had the spots in the flower room. while the sativa (white shark) is almost not infected, and so is the kandy kush. hence, with all the sorow, i think i will end the white widow and sour kush line after this grow (i still got some seeds of them for later on)
i realy should reduce the number of strains i have. while i like to watch different strains grow side by side, its a bit of a pain. thing is every time i start something new, i keep one clone of the last, and sudenly every two plants are from different strain.
worse case i will burn all the veg room, nuke the place with bleach, then bring the army to wash it with mild chimical warfere, and then i will start feom seeds with one strain, say the kandy kush, which i like.
i will keep u posted just for curusity, and add some pics of my flower room just for porn later on.
cya around

i lowerd th RH in my flower room to 33% and added one blast of a fan, i fear buds will fly away. now let this god damn mold screw with my ho's. i will also use some preventing fungcide tomorrow.
the mold can wipe my veg room as far as i care. its easy to grow new plants from seeds, but stay away from my buds. a man has to have his smoke!
now i am going to invent nano robots that will kill every spore and fungi personaly by sheer violance. nobody, i mean nobody, screw with my plants.
its a war, and i am gonna win it. no quarter.
i added some pics of my flowering tent. i grow 600w hps, 16 x 2-3 gal airpots. the room is perpetual 12/12. every week i harvest 2 (on the average) and add 2 new. i grow 7 strains: green house white widow, barney's lsd and critical kush, dna kandy kusa and sour kush, dna super lemon OG, and white shark (and another 2 bag seeds from a very good bags, but those i dont clone).
i dont keep mothers, i just clone from the big plants in my veg room and roll it on.
those are my oldest plants, 7 week white sharks. i hope it will yield 30-40 GG each (that the average for me with this strain)
cya
G
any advice or suggestion is most welcome

you dont keep mothers? I hope your not cloning off a clone, off a clone and so on ru? Big no-no!! all will be good until about the 5th or 6th generation clones. They lose potency, vigor and resistance to mold???

Please dont tell me those are like 4th or 5th gen. clones... if they are thats the problem and there is no fixing unless you start over with seed.

sativa indica pits said:

you dont keep mothers? I hope your not cloning off a clone, off a clone and so on ru? Big no-no!! all will be good until about the 5th or 6th generation clones. They lose potency, vigor and resistance to mold???

Please dont tell me those are like 4th or 5th gen. clones... if they are thats the problem and there is no fixing unless you start over with seed.

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no worry, i start new seeds all the time. most of them are first and second generation.
btw, they say its a legend that a clone of a clone is less strong. they say that in france, as example, they have pears that for 1000 years now only spread by cloning and its all good.
i cant find a conclusive evident either way, and so far i didnt notice any problams. the mold is due to RH, and those who got it badly are the new strains in the tant. the sativa got it last and i have it for 6 generation now, one of them grow outdoor.

I speak from my friends experience.... He was growing m.o.b. from seed. Everything was super sweet, dank, frosty, fat buds everywhere. He was getting like 4oz off a 4month old plant. He found one special mother, cloned it, flowered it, and killed it. he took clones off that clone which is ok, he kept doing the same thing untill the 5th gen clone.....the plants were weak, didnt like fert, didnt like light and didnt like to bud. Something was seriously wrong. He called me up... help my plants are all fukt up, i tryed everything ph, fert light soil temp humidity and so on. I couldnt figure out what happened to those fat dank buds, So I was helping him one day and he was getting ready to take some clones off which I thought was the first clone, wrong... it was the 6th gen clone and they were sooo lame!!! He started new seeds and the frosty sweet berry buds were back.

I watched what happens first hand. Pears create a fruit, not quite a flower. Little bit different rules apply to fruit than to cannabis plants. Im sure pears grow the same looking, tasting, fruit when cloned.

I bet if you crossed that sativa, got seeds and flowered them out, the buds and plants would be bigger, better, grow faster, yield more, and get you higher. just saying try it, you wont clone off a clone off a clone again, trust me one this!!

consider ...
Jorge Cervantes: Washing Away Powdery Mildew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7jE7qzfgQs

I've used 1 part milk to 9 parts water for PM on a few grows
and had great instant results without 1 single ill effect to the plants.
Works absolutely perfect. Many say 5th-6th and so on generation clones weaken and many
call BS that they weaken cause the genetics are there.

Milovan said:

I've used 1 part milk to 9 parts water for PM on a few grows
and had great instant results without 1 single ill effect to the plants.
Works absolutely perfect. Many say 5th-6th and so on generation clones weaken and many
call BS that they weaken cause the genetics are there.

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will that work with baking soda? some1 told me its the same idea, rise the PH. i am very reluctant to use milk. maybe i am just prejudice.

vostok said:

consider ...
Jorge Cervantes: Washing Away Powdery Mildew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7jE7qzfgQs

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do u think its possible to bath live young seedlings in this bath? i mean actual live plants

Milovan said:

I've used 1 part milk to 9 parts water for PM on a few grows
and had great instant results without 1 single ill effect to the plants.
Works absolutely perfect. Many say 5th-6th and so on generation clones weaken and many
call BS that they weaken cause the genetics are there.

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thing with genetics is, that mutant gene spread only if it happens in the sex cells, the egg and seed. if onther cell it mutated, its simply called cancer and most of the time the system kills it. if a sex cell is mutated then the subsequent plant (or dog or whatever) will have the mutant gene in all his cell, sex cell included. and so the mutant will propogate.
in clone of plants it dosent happen. even if the brance u cloned has mutant cell, most of its cells will be normal and the mutancy wont spread (plants dont have cancer).
hence, cloning has nothing to do with mutant. at least not by the dogma.
all that been said. there might be some other mecanisem which cause loss of vigor over time. i donno, maybe plants do have cancer after all. all i could read about it over the net wasnt coclusive.
some say the expiriensd that and other expirinced the oposite.
i have no clue myself. i guess i will learn it the hard way. i am going to clone this sativa into glory.
btw, i allready made lots of seeds out of her by stressing it with heat and herm it.

it worked.
i donno if the seed will have herm tendecy.
bb

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/questions/question/3195/

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090515105046AANbIeP

well if its a true fem, and made a few male pollen sacks, you will have female seeds. Its always better to bring the pollen from stressed females to another fem plant and make seeds with her.. selfing will cause genetic mutants and herms sometimes.

And like I said, just take 1 clone and breed it with some regular male pollen, your crosses will inspire you in many ways. and open your eyes to what happens with evolution. No need to keep the same strain for ever, imagine if they did that from the 60's and 70's.... we would be smoking that shit?? They say in just the last ten years, since 2003, the average thc and cbd of medical mj. has increased at an astounding rate, this is because of mass propagation by millions of people at the same time. cannabis will continue to evolve and get better with every cross!! bb

I see what u mean, and i wil try that. I have some sesei skunk #1 reg seeds and as soon as i will get rid of this shity mold/pest/desease. Right no i am at war.
I think the improvment in the thc lvl i due to seed compeny and real breeders:
1. They have the way to mesure thc lvl and not by "crap i am stoned, lets breed this shit"
2. They have the room to grow lots of plants and actualy simulate selection, which requaier large numbers by definition.
Nevertheless, as u said, it will be nice to play god.
Iam trying now 10ml of bleach with 1 liter of water.
I will use it on the most infected a d see how it goes. If that wont work then i donno what to do, cuz nothing helps. I took theblade yesterday and cut off half the leaf mass which had spots. This morning i found new spots.
freaking mold

Nuke Em' is an OMRI certified organic product that will solve your mold problems if it is used correctly. Everything in it can be found in bread. Safe and effective at all stages of growth. I have even sprayed it on a freshly cut bud to see if it left any bad taste etc...no prolems at all!
Kills mites dead too!

Key points in using Nuke Em':
1. NEVER use with lights on. Citric acid is the reason.
2. Always make sure your plants are hydrated.
***Water 2 hours before lights out to be sure they're transpiring.
***** If your plants are locked up they are not hydrated. You want your plant transpiring well when you apply Nuke Em'. If you are not sure on this issue then flush your plant until the ppm out the bottom is 400 or less...wait 1 light cycle for them to snap out of the lock out....run water through again and be sure the ppm's are still below 500. It can increase quite a bit if your root zone is toxic. This will make a big difference in your results...this corner cannot be cut!
3. It takes 3 applications but they can be done back-to-back. Spray and let the plants dry . Then repeat this process 2 more times. This can be done in 1 lights off cycle. If your airflow is where is should be your plants could be sprayed every hour. This will kill the powdery mildew/mold.

The strength I recommend is there 1oz/32oz concentration.


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