Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

Im not trying to prove anyone wrong about anything. Just throwing out my 2 cents for the record board cause I feel this is something to actually discuss with people. I'm sure there are ways to correctly modify the gene structure, but testing our ability to shouldn't be done on our world food supply, or cannabis for that matter. The people that opt for cannabis eradication don't need any reasons to suddenly spring up concern to completely outlaw cannabis. Some people already believe it's worse than alcohol and that too much can kill a person. Sad but true. In my opinion, making cannabis stronger or accidentally messing up the gene structure in a negative way that can cause cancers or diseases would make all the more reason for concern about cannabis to rise. There is evidence lately of all this genetically modified food we've been eating to be a reason that there have been so many diseases and illnesses discovered in the last 50 years. Also we have been finding that many countries that have been isolated from the world and suddenly introduced to western foods have started to have diseases, cancers, and illnesses that were never previously a problem. I find it very interesting. There is a lot of evidence showing negative feedback about genetically modified food.

This all reminded me of Monsanto's latest and greatest idea that they've been working on. If I remember correctly they want to make a genetic modification that eliminates the reproduction of their seeds so that once grown and harvested, the plant will die and not be able to reproduce whatsoever. It just sounds like a disaster from the start..

Well, we discuss facts. Those are opinions. Bring beef. From what we can tell the entire thing is....nothing.
No tempest, no tea pot. But, we have seen this.

Hand wringing, fear, doubt, broad claims, broad hate, uncertainty and most weird linking to the earth mother or whatever, interfering with the divine will of the plant species....all opinion.

Bring something...are we suppose to say, yeah man, right on? That demon monsanto, you can imagine, I can imagine, it is well known, everyone knows, studies show, there have been hints, links, evidence will probably show, without a doubt a cover up.....STOP ME!!!!

streets8r88 said:

This all reminded me of Monsanto's latest and greatest idea that they've been working on. If I remember correctly they want to make a genetic modification that eliminates the reproduction of their seeds so that once grown and harvested, the plant will die and not be able to reproduce whatsoever. It just sounds like a disaster from the start..

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If they don't produce seeds or pollen, where is the risk of contaminating native species?

Harrekin said:

If they don't produce seeds or pollen, where is the risk of contaminating native species?

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It doesn't matter if there is no way to spread the genes. That would be logic. Can't have logic.

streets8r88 said:

What I referred to is that Monsanto would attempt to dominate cannabis all the same as they have with nearly every other crop in the United States. For example, pollen control is impossible outdoors, and in just a short amount of time can spread genetically modified traits to perfectly healthy and all natural plants. For all you arguers out there, go argue with the farmers that have been sued by Monsanto for having Monsanto's patented genetics in their organic crops which was only caused due to uncontrollable gene spreading. Personally I feel genetic engineering should take place only in completely beneficial circumstances. Such as adding nutrients to specific crops whereas the people in the region are suffering from nutrient deficiencies.

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point 1 ) the only persons monsanto sued successfully are persons who planted saved seeds from a monsanto crop with the specific intent of selling those seeds to others for a profit, in direct violation of the contract they signed when they first planted the seeds in question. the very very few people who monsanto sued over windblown pollen were exonerated in the courts. monsanto can no longer bring nuisance lolsuits over wind blown pollen.

point 2 ) monsanto does not "dominate" any crop anywhere. most crops planted in the US are NON-GMO cultivars. most soya is NON GMO, most corn is NON GMO, most rape is NON GMO... you see the point. the fools who make their money by convincing you that youre health is in danger if you dont buy their super expensive "Organic Heirloom Small Batch Artisinal Wheat" are LYING TO YOU FOR PROFIT!

point 3 ) with VERY few exceptions (blackberry, elderberry, blueberry, cranberry aronia etc...) crop plants do NOT have a wild counterpart with which to exchange pollen. there are no wild carrot groves or great untamed corn and soya savannahs to receive this gmo pollen, and the few crops which do have wild counterparts are not at risk since these crops are grown as a "Monoculture" which successfully separates the crops from the wild plants.

point 3 ) Organic. you keep using that word. i do not think it means what you think it means... "Organic" farms are not located in proximity to the vast feilds and holdings of ADM IGA and the other large growers who use GMO crops. "Organic" farmers also do not usually save seeds from their previous crop to replant, thus the evils of GMO pollen have no effect on their crops.

point 4 ) the "diseases" that you have been told are caused by GMO foods are in fact the sorts of illnesses you find when people suddenly have enough food to get fat (diabetes) or fail to die at 30 because they now have clean water, good food and an overall reduction in insect borne pathogens. when populations get older on average they naturally have more diseases. also, those with diseases dont die with good nutrition and proper medical care, thus they can get more diseases or need long term care for the persistent ones. the increase in availability of food and medical care is the source of the "poor health" that you are blaming on GMO foods. if we all went back to a "Natural Organic Lifestyle" we would once again all die around 30-35, from dysentery cholera, malaria and malnutrition, but on the upside, social security would not be bankrupt.

point 5 ) the crops which were genetically modified to increase nutrition and add vital vitamins and minerals to a staple food (like Golden Rice) have been rejected in many nations due to the fearmongers who gave you your information about GMO's telling the starving people that the GMO foods (like Golden Rice) were POISON, or would sterilize them as part of a madcap eugenics program. stop listening to liars, they only give you lies.

point 6 ) the american diet is pretty fucked up, and Processed Foods will kill you but it takes like 30 years to do it. these foods will kill you whether your Peperoni Pizza Hotpockets, Ring Dings or Frozen Green Chile Burritos contain GMO components or not. it's the fats, sugars, salt and preservatives that fuck you up. if you eat shit with "Textured Vegetable Protein" (processed soya paste) it doesnt matter a bit if the soya was a GMO before processing or not. ask a nutritionist (a real one, not a dirty hippie) and they will tell you the same thing. eat good food, get good health. eat shit food, get shit health, and GMO products will never figure into it (except maybe the BT products, which are NOT approved for human consumption, or animal feed, research is ongoing...)

streets8r88 said:

This all reminded me of Monsanto's latest and greatest idea that they've been working on. If I remember correctly they want to make a genetic modification that eliminates the reproduction of their seeds so that once grown and harvested, the plant will die and not be able to reproduce whatsoever. It just sounds like a disaster from the start..

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youre talking about "terminator" seeds.

they produce sterile seeds, but the seeds are present (in most crops the seed is the food...)
the fearmongers express their fear that "Terminator" pollen will blow from a farm field into the nearby woodlands and national forests, causing the native groves of soybeans to produce sterile seeds and thus die off, or the pollen might destabilize the ecosytem of the verdant meadows of wild carrots and potatoes, resulting in the extinction of the native Bell Pepper forests and Tomato bogs.

think about it...

plus trerminator seeds arent even available yet, nobody has figured out how to make them work. you still get 30% viable seeds with the most effective versions, and thats not worth the investment, since you could just save 4 seeds and get a new plant.

and furthermore, some normal Non-GMO hybrid plants (triticale comes to mind) naturally produce sterile seeds. if you want to grow triticale you HAVE to buy seeds from a seed producer every year.

Not everything I said is opinion. I know what I typed to be factual information that science has uncovered, I don't throw bs up in the air just to watch some shit hit a fan. I gave up on giving citations to people long ago cause even if I did give you hard factual information you still would try to say I'm wrong. Its all good cause you're entitled an opinion as well. But instead of trying to pick apart my post and trying to be dicks, throw out some facts as evidence to why Monsanto should be allowed to do what they do. Monsanto has become a seed monopoly and at least 70% of agriculture in the U.S. contains a form of their genetic modifications. This isn't just random bullshit. This is hard truth that people don't want to hear. Farmers get harassed by Monsanto everyday. If they aren't using Monsanto's seeds, they are getting harassed. Fact. Not to mention that the farmers that refuse to go with Monsanto aren't allowed to be seen (in public at least) with any of their friends or former farmers that do use Monsanto seeds. Monsanto will and has started up law suits on these farmers with the motive that their customers are breaking their contract and possibly not using Monsanto seeds. As I said, Monsanto is a seed monopoly in the world today. Fact.

Dr Kynes said:

point 1 ) the only persons monsanto sued successfully are persons who planted saved seeds from a monsanto crop with the specific intent of selling those seeds to others for a profit, in direct violation of the contract they signed when they first planted the seeds in question. the very very few people who monsanto sued over windblown pollen were exonerated in the courts. monsanto can no longer bring nuisance lolsuits over wind blown pollen.

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Lol so you're gonna tell me that bringing someone to court and making them pay tens of thousands of dollars that they can't afford is perfectly acceptable? Whether a case has been won or lost, a farmer can't afford legal fees and lawyers. They already struggle as it is from not getting subsidies by just "giving in" and using Monsanto seeds. Monsanto bullies people. Thats just how it is.

If I had time to sit around and type out an essay, I would. Everything in your response Dr. Kynes is completely debatable and more just opinionated information that you are using to try and show the world that I'm making up bullshit information. For example, there are actually very many organically grown crops within a very close proximity to Monsanto seed grown crops. I've seen it with my own two eyes. Most farmers will actually grow both organic, as well as non-organic crops within close proximity to each other. I'm not getting organic confused. Organic simply refers to the way the crop is grown. Not the crop itself. But the pollen spreading aspect you are looking at is, as long one plant is X distance from another, they're fine. Not the case. Just pollen from cannabis can travel miles and miles. Wind can take the pollen anywhere. It's uncontrollable. I've only skimmed the surface when it comes to this stuff. There's also tons of anecdotal evidence from farmers that do grow organic and non-organic that genetically modified crops push away nature. Meaning animals stay away from it, bees and insects stay away from it, animals will even actually refuse to eat certain genetically modified crops. And it's been shown in research studies. Before the U.S. knew about radiation, nuclear weapons were perfectly safe. People hanging out on a deserted island watching nukes go off.. Basically you're telling me that you'd rather us go the same route once again with something that we don't know for sure is safe just to see what happens. If there is a correlation between medical problems and genetically modified food at all then there should really be a more thorough investigation and it should be put on hold until proven safe. People aren't test dummies and shouldn't be treated as them. Period.

Dr Kynes said:

point 2 ) monsanto does not "dominate" any crop anywhere. most crops planted in the US are NON-GMO cultivars. most soya is NON GMO, most corn is NON GMO, most rape is NON GMO... you see the point. the fools who make their money by convincing you that youre health is in danger if you dont buy their super expensive "Organic Heirloom Small Batch Artisinal Wheat" are LYING TO YOU FOR PROFIT!

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I hope you dont really believe this. It's fairly common knowledge now that 85% of US soy is GM. Not to mention everything else. Just keep living in your hole and everything will be ok.

streets8r88 said:

Not everything I said is opinion. I know what I typed to be factual information that science has uncovered, I don't throw bs up in the air just to watch some shit hit a fan. I gave up on giving citations to people long ago cause even if I did give you hard factual information you still would try to say I'm wrong. Its all good cause you're entitled an opinion as well. But instead of trying to pick apart my post and trying to be dicks, throw out some facts as evidence to why Monsanto should be allowed to do what they do. Monsanto has become a seed monopoly and at least 70% of agriculture in the U.S. contains a form of their genetic modifications. This isn't just random bullshit. This is hard truth that people don't want to hear. Farmers get harassed by Monsanto everyday. If they aren't using Monsanto's seeds, they are getting harassed. Fact. Not to mention that the farmers that refuse to go with Monsanto aren't allowed to be seen (in public at least) with any of their friends or former farmers that do use Monsanto seeds. Monsanto will and has started up law suits on these farmers with the motive that their customers are breaking their contract and possibly not using Monsanto seeds. As I said, Monsanto is a seed monopoly in the world today. Fact.

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streets8r88 said:

Lol so you're gonna tell me that bringing someone to court and making them pay tens of thousands of dollars that they can't afford is perfectly acceptable? Whether a case has been won or lost, a farmer can't afford legal fees and lawyers. They already struggle as it is from not getting subsidies by just "giving in" and using Monsanto seeds. Monsanto bullies people. Thats just how it is.

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streets8r88 said:

If I had time to sit around and type out an essay, I would. Everything in your response Dr. Kynes is completely debatable and more just opinionated information that you are using to try and show the world that I'm making up bullshit information. For example, there are actually very many organically grown crops within a very close proximity to Monsanto seed grown crops. I've seen it with my own two eyes. Most farmers will actually grow both organic, as well as non-organic crops within close proximity to each other. I'm not getting organic confused. Organic simply refers to the way the crop is grown. Not the crop itself. But the pollen spreading aspect you are looking at is, as long one plant is X distance from another, they're fine. Not the case. Just pollen from cannabis can travel miles and miles. Wind can take the pollen anywhere. It's uncontrollable. I've only skimmed the surface when it comes to this stuff. There's also tons of anecdotal evidence from farmers that do grow organic and non-organic that genetically modified crops push away nature. Meaning animals stay away from it, bees and insects stay away from it, animals will even actually refuse to eat certain genetically modified crops. And it's been shown in research studies. Before the U.S. knew about radiation, nuclear weapons were perfectly safe. People hanging out on a deserted island watching nukes go off.. Basically you're telling me that you'd rather us go the same route once again with something that we don't know for sure is safe just to see what happens. If there is a correlation between medical problems and genetically modified food at all then there should really be a more thorough investigation and it should be put on hold until proven safe. People aren't test dummies and shouldn't be treated as them. Period.

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i wasnt trying to be a dick, nor was i "picking apart your post" to prove anything. you make several common remarks which are untrue, but are widely repeated by the anti-GMO crowd. the Anti-GMO crowd has been plastering the interwebs with disinformation and wild claims for years, and what im doin is telling you the truth. the truth may require the dismantling of some preconceptions, but it's still the truth. monsanto sells a lot of seeds, but they dont have the dominant position in any one crop, not even GMO's, which is their wheelhouse.

saying "it's common knowledge" and "its a known fact" and "FACT" doesnt make opinions into facts, and you have been fed a line of bullshit.

soya production is a large scale agricultural endeavor, and many large scale growers like ADM and IGA use GMO cultivars, but many others do NOT. many smaller soya growers, contract farmers and some of the middleweight conglomerated dont use GMO's since they dont pay out until you have hundreds of thousands of acres under your plow.

http://knowledge.allianz.com/environment/food_water/?500/gm-crops-facts-and-figures

according to this site which is fairly balanced and pretty accurate (in my opinion), globally, just 7% of cultivated land is used to grow GMO crops of all sorts. of that 7%, 53% were gmo so we can round the numbers for the math challenged and say 10% of all tillage is GMO (90% being NOT GMO) and half of that GMO tillage is soya... since monsanto does not have the GMO soya market cornered, they only represent about 60-70% of the GMO soya, making a grand total of about 3% of the global tillage as GMO soya. in the eco-naut blog-press,the math doesnt work, and even the 53% of soya being GMO is just an estimate, since GMO cultivars are not used for edemame, or roasted soya nuts, or bean curd production etc... most GMNO soy goes to livestock feed, textured vegetable protien, and biofuels.

most of the maize grown worldwide is NON-GMO, nearly all of the tomatoes potatoes rice wheat, barley, etc are non-gmo, and NONE of the fresh produce you find in the supermarket is GMO. try and find you some GMO lettuce. youll have to grow it yourself if you can get the seeds.

listen to farmers if you wanna know more about agriculture, not bloggers.

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GreenSummit said:

I hope you dont really believe this. It's fairly common knowledge now that 85% of US soy is GM. Not to mention everything else. Just keep living in your hole and everything will be ok.

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common knowlege? like if you ask "are you a cop" the undercover cops have to admit it, or theres a "dark side" to the moon, or justin beiber has some talent?

yeah. "Common Knowledge" is just another word for "Baseless Claims"

Dr Kynes said:

i wasnt trying to be a dick, nor was i "picking apart your post" to prove anything. listen to farmers if you wanna know more about agriculture, not bloggers.

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so true... Just don't listen to has-been farmers with no farm, who have been "out worked" by illegal immigrants...

So in other words, disregard everything israel kynes has to say, you'll be smarter for it...

People argue that we "are nature".

I'd like to argue that if humans weren't a part of this earth, it would be a beautiful, unpolluted, amazing place. The human race and technology wrecked this planet.

So I don't agree that we are nature, because if we were removed from the situation, the planet would flourish. We are a disease on the face of this planet, and you call yourself nature? hahahahah.

Dr Kynes said:

common knowlege? like if you ask "are you a cop" the undercover cops have to admit it, or theres a "dark side" to the moon, or justin beiber has some talent?

yeah. "Common Knowledge" is just another word for "Baseless Claims"

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The only reason US citizens don't know the exact contamination, is because Obama signed the Monsanto protection act into law. They don't need to label anything, therefore successfully selling us GM poison without anyones consent.

chronictre said:

The only reason US citizens don't know the exact contamination, is because Obama signed the Monsanto protection act into law. They don't need to label anything, therefore successfully selling us GM poison without anyones consent.

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the "monsanto protection act" has nothing top do with labeling, nor monsanto, nor the protection of monsanto.

echelon1k1 said:

so true... Just don't listen to has-been farmers with no farm, who have been "out worked" by illegal immigrants...

So in other words, disregard everything israel kynes has to say, you'll be smarter for it...

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is that the best you can do?

calling me a jew, and snickering because my family lost my grandfather's farm because "he didnt build that" when he most demonstrably DID build it?

youre a sad little cane toad.

Dr Kynes said:

is that the best you can do?

calling me a jew, and snickering because my family lost my grandfather's farm because "he didnt build that" when he most demonstrably DID build it?

youre a sad little cane toad.

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No that's called karma, because god doesn't like you either....

Keep acting like the GM lobbies "bought-little-bitch" and parroting what insurance companies, of all people, say.

Here's your cue AJ - go for it....

echelon1k1 said:

No that's called karma, because god doesn't like you either....

Keep acting like the GM lobbies "bought-little-bitch" and parroting what insurance companies, of all people, say.

Here's your cue AJ - go for it....

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Be nice! All of us need to band together so we can dethrone the King of the Wiggers.