More global warming/climate change FRAUD!

Patrick Bateman said:

Cap and Trade instituted in its current form would make businesses operating in regions enforcing those policies much less competitive

Burning of fossil fuels, aerosols, industrial farming are a few examples of man's role in climate change

No scientist is claiming that humans are the solely responsible for climate change

However the impact we have had on the Earth and her ecosystems are undeniable

We absolutely have to start living within our means and showing more respect for our environment

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This is exactly what I've been saying for a long time. Regardless of the cause of climate change we have to be more responsible. Of course we are having an impact but how much of it is us and how much of it is normal warming and cooling of the earth? This is an important question and without a definitive answer these debates will continue. I believe a definitive answer will be elusive for a long time. I'm no climatologist but I am not even sure how you can accurately test such a theory. We only have one lab. There isn't a control group, the variables are nearly infinite and we only have a fraction of a second worth of recorded climate data. Of course, I'm referring to the earth as our ONE LAB. This is all I'm saying. Well, that and the fact that climatology is in its infancy. I understand that they look at weather and temperature trends, ice cores, rock stratta, etc. but those things only take us so far. All that being said, we have to be more responsible.

Balzac89 said:

Cap and trade turns pollution into a commodity. Its not a bad idea as long as there are lower standards set. It would give companies incentives to lower emissions on there own without government interference. Which is what I always hear people preaching.

Private businesses would save and make money by lowering pollution emissions.

I think your insane if you really think it's a bad idea. The only other alternative is force emission standards by law which would only cost private industry money. This is the best solution I have heard. And don't say pollution is not a problem.

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The ONLY thing Cap & Trade will accomplish is to outsource more pollution to China, India, and other places that don't mind us shitting on them. Which will result in polluting the Earth MORE than we already do. A side effect to this accomplishment will be less manufacturing jobs, and less coal fired power plants on US soil. {a much dirtier coal plant, burning slave mined coal will be opened in China to replace it} That and Congress gets a big pile of money to invest in Green energy, because we are too ignorant to invest that same money {which comes from us} ourselves.

Not what I would call "forward thinking". The supposed forward thinking {liberal} politicians who propose Cap and Trade should apologize, and stop referring to themselves as Liberal {forward thinking}.