More Than 500 Economists Sign Letter Against Minimum Wage Hike

UncleBuck said:

i'm not suggesting that newborn human babies show no preference for one race over another, i am reminding you that scientific studies show that newborn human babies show no preference for one race over another.

thus your claim that budleydoright's reaction to seeing his sister with a black man is natural is unsupported by the evidence.

we can go into the amygdala studies instead if you want. budleydoright's reaction was a learned behavior. your assertion that his distrust of a black man was natural is complete bullshit, and the amygdala studies will only make your pseudoscientific claim look even more racist.

so just let me know if you want to go there.

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his initial shock at discovering his sister was mating with somebody from another social group was natural.

if his sister had showed up with a Yanomami tribesman from Brazil, a Haitian voodoo cultist or a Huttese gangster from Tattooine his reaction would still be natural.

his reaction is also reasonable given the statistical probability that her new beau will be a loser.

or do "SES" statistics only matter when it supports your assertions?

UncleBuck said:

i'm not suggesting that newborn human babies show no preference for one race over another, i am reminding you that scientific studies show that newborn human babies show no preference for one race over another.

thus your claim that budleydoright's reaction to seeing his sister with a black man is natural is unsupported by the evidence.
we can go into the amygdala studies instead if you want. budleydoright's reaction was a learned behavior. your assertion that his distrust of a black man was natural is complete bullshit, and the amygdala studies will only make your pseudoscientific claim look even more racist.

so just let me know if you want to go there.

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Do you really think a study on new borne means shit?

It might if one could establish a new born even knew that it was a human. New born humans don't show a preference, anyone could have guessed that one.

A new born does not have the cognitive ability to differentiate. In other words, neonates aren't smart enough to be racists yet.

Edit... Remember what I said about you "debunking" stuff with absolute bullshit? This is one of the bullshittiest!

BigNBushy said:

Do you really think a study on new borne means shit?...A new born does not have the cognitive ability to differentiate.

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newborns discriminate between faces from within their own ethnic group (Pascalis & de Schonen, 1994).

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In other words, neonates aren't smart enough to be racists yet.

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in other words, racism is learned.

whether racism is smart is a matter that you and kynes would disagree with me on though.

Dr Kynes said:

his initial shock at discovering his sister was mating with somebody from another social group was natural.

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as earlier stated, ingroups and outgroups may be an innate concept.

but racism is not.

at least you are finally recognizing the effects of personal economic status, rather than blaming it all on melanin again.

UncleBuck said:

newborns discriminate between faces from within their own ethnic group (Pascalis & de Schonen, 1994).




in other words, racism is learned.

whether racism is smart is a matter that you and kynes would disagree with me on though.

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You can't learn anything from a baby. They can't report what they are thinking. It might smile at one person and then frown at the next because it is shitting itself.

They don't yet understand that one person may look different that it is another race. How can you measure if something is racist if it has not the foggiest concept of what race is? Fuck, babies aren't even fully self aware. They have not established object permanence yet.

That was done for lulz and the results are not worth a shit.

If one wants a valid study on the subject, one would have to violate ethics in research and fully control the environment the child was raised in. Fully control all the information it was exposed to until it was well into childhood at the earliest. Then bam, one day show it some dark people and see what it does.

A newborn baby can't tell you what it is thinking.

BigNBushy said:

If one wants a valid study on the subject, one would have to violate ethics in research and fully control the environment the child was raised in. Fully control all the information it was exposed to until it was well into childhood at the earliest. Then bam, one day show it some dark people and see what it does.

A newborn baby can't tell you what it is thinking.

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So what you're saying is there is no way to prove racial prejudice as being innate or genetic; ergo, it is most likely a learned response.

heckler73 said:

So what you're saying is there is no way to prove racial prejudice as being innate or genetic; ergo, it is most likely a learned response.

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that is basically what he is saying without realizing it.

i do want to mention my particular campus is heavily black skinned..i don't use african-american because many can be from haiti, jamaica..black cuban.

i've noticed that when we have a particularly daunting test at hand they often happen to be the last to leave the test and overall do the worst.

now you can take this however, you'd like..but in speaking with my professor, he has concurred in my findings.

there is DEFINITELY something to this..whether it's the learning curve overall, the capability for intelligience..i don't know..but it seems there is a HUGE lack in critical thinking as the group tests very poorly when questions have too much variable..a tough time sorting criteria to break question down to the basic and what's being asked.

let the trolling begin

see you at 1

schuylaar said:

i do want to mention my particular campus is heavily black skinned..i don't use african-american because many can be from haiti, jamaica..black cuban.

i've noticed that when we have a particularly daunting test at hand they often happen to be the last to leave the test and overall do the worst.

now you can take this however, you'd like..but in speaking with my professor, he has concurred in my findings.

there is DEFINITELY something to this..whether it's the learning curve overall, the capability for intelligience..i don't know..but it seems there is a HUGE lack in critical thinking as the group tests very poorly when questions have too much variable..a tough time sorting criteria to break question down to the basic and what's being asked.

let the trolling begin


see you at 1

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You do realize you are about to be shoehorned as a racist, right?

But I applaud you on simple recognition of the world around you. You are willing to make critical observation of simple truths and not let the social engineering of the last half century cloud your judgment.

But just so we're clear, you do know that the blacks from Haiti had ancestors brought from africa to Haiti, correct?

BigNBushy said:

Of course slaves did some of the labor. So did Chinese, natives and others.

But who built the panama canal? Teddy Roosevelt did. Did he do much actal work there? Nope.

The man who swings the hammer does not get the credit when he is told what to do and paid (or forced) to do it. The credit has always gone to the person who financed, engineered or planed the project.

Anyone can operate a shovel.

But what you say about slavery in the north is true. They used labor of poor free recent immigrants to build the Erie canal because it was dangerous and slaves were to expensive. A dead Irish man cost much less than a slave.

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How dumb.





John Findley Wallace built the canal, where the French had failed. No slaves were used, so I don't know where you got that idea?

He pioneered the idea of mosquito control and never tearing up tracks. He used non-ballasted trackways and just moved entire curves of tracks back and forth out of the way with cranes.


Track shifter at work.

When I mentioned slaves and a canal, I wasn't talking about the Panama canal, but the Erie canal. And i said they did not use slaves for it.

Slaves were to expensive for dangerous work, thus they weren't used for it. The Erie canal was built in the 1820s and 30s and there would have been negros chattle slaves at their disposal. But the death and injury rate was so high they didn't use them, but rather the recent arrivals from Italy and Ireland. Much cheaper than a slave.

But I can see how you got confused. My first sentence said slaves and Chinese did some of the work. Then I went straight to the Panama canal.

When I said some of the work, I meant everything from cutting tobacco to building railroad.

schuylaar said:

i do want to mention my particular campus is heavily black skinned..i don't use african-american because many can be from haiti, jamaica..black cuban.

i've noticed that when we have a particularly daunting test at hand they often happen to be the last to leave the test and overall do the worst.

now you can take this however, you'd like..but in speaking with my professor, he has concurred in my findings.

there is DEFINITELY something to this..whether it's the learning curve overall, the capability for intelligience..i don't know..but it seems there is a HUGE lack in critical thinking as the group tests very poorly when questions have too much variable..a tough time sorting criteria to break question down to the basic and what's being asked.

let the trolling begin

see you at 1

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Well, who comes up with the tests? And how much of those tests are race biased in deep and self deceptive ways? How much of it assumes a white middle class upbringing, and quality education, and after school social opportunities, and acceptance from their white peers?

Right. You don't know. You never thought of it like that. So, you lump and judge according to your white experience, that's all.

BigNBushy said:

You do realize you are about to be shoehorned as a racist, right?

But I applaud you on simple recognition of the world around you. You are willing to make critical observation of simple truths and not let the social engineering of the last half century cloud your judgment.

But just so we're clear, you do know that the blacks from Haiti had ancestors brought from africa to Haiti, correct?

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thank you for recognizing my observations and not try to make it into something it's not: racist

one my professors (department head) is only too aware as it causes adverse criticism and ratings on the department..dean feels in keeping with school mission..anyone wanting to learn should have that opportunity..but where do you draw the line when admission to the department is without aptitude? department is not allowed to screen..yet clearly there are those not suited for medical services..then dean wants to know why students are failing and the solution: be a better professor..lecture better.

the black culture in south florida prefer to be recognized by last country hailed from and identify with haitian-american and so on..

The topic was minimum wage...

And the Americans turned it into race again.

How "post racial" and enlightened you people are...

Harrekin said:

The topic was minimum wage...

And the Americans turned it into race again.

How "post racial" and enlightened you people are...

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This is what post racial looks like. How would the world even recognize that? They have never even seen it. Lucky for you, I point it out.

Post racial is much more work....don't cha know, mon?

Doer said:

This is what post racial looks like. How would the world even recognize that? They have never even seen it. Lucky for you, I point it out.

Post racial is much more work....don't cha know, mon?

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Sad to think that 94.9% white Ireland has less issues with race especially considering Xenophobia should be culturally ingrained in us because of the Long War.

Land of the Free...to be full of shit.

That is the entire white population Ireland?

Do you ever think the homegenous nature of the society is why you are so pre-racial over there.

Same for Canada. You are not an integrated society like we are.

What is it? Something like only, 1.06% not white in Ireland. So, how would you know what post racial looks like? Why wouldn't most Irish have the luxury to claim that they are above it, when they have never been in it? Hnmmmm?

It is very easy to sit in your white bread communities and feel smugly not racist. Same for Canada

Doer said:

That is the entire white population Ireland?

Do you ever think the homegenous nature of the society is why you are so pre-racial over there.

Same for Canada. You are not an integrated society like we are.

What is it? Something like only, 1.06% not white in Ireland. So, how would you know what post racial looks like? Why wouldn't most Irish have the luxury to claim that they are above it, when they have never been in it? Hnmmmm?

It is very easy to sit in your white bread communities and feel smugly not racist. Same for Canada

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Those are the same people who would freak out if their daughter started dating a black dude, but curse America for our racial problems.

Of course, I dont think there is anything wrong with wanting your grandchildren to look like you.

But these are the same people who magically transform a Mexican into a Spaniard when a relative starts dating one.

BigNBushy said:

Those are the same people who would freak out if their daughter started dating a black dude, but curse America for our racial problems.

Of course, I dont think there is anything wrong with wanting your grandchildren to look like you.

But these are the same people who magically transform a Mexican into a Spaniard when a relative starts dating one.

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At least you are trying to understand the American Experience. And we both know the ROW can just go to hell.

So long as our country's borders are porous, so long as corporate imports of skilled labor from other countries continue under the ruse that Americans don't have the skills necessary, and so long as domestic companies are incentivized when they take their operations outside of the country, minimum wage is a necessity. Close those loopholes and the principles of supply and demand take effect and no minimum wage would be necessary.