MOST visual & sensual indoor strain that has ABSOLUTELY NO COUCHLOCK?

i've smoked some great and fun gear and so far consider high quality seed's haze x skunk to be the best strain i've tried so far, but it, and EVERYTHING else, i've smoked just can't measure up to the california grown columbian gold's EXTRA TRIPPY buzz that was the 1st thing i smoked and that spoiled me forever. it's more potent and euphoric even, but it just doesn't alter your senses like gold does.

i'm talking about TV reporters looking 3D, rain in headlights looking like laser spears, wheatgrass swaying in the breeze looking like weird headed aliens marching, songs sounding "live", orgasms from junk food or the AWESOME floaty feeling you'd get that always made it feel like you're walking downhill or that your feet & legs were helium balloons. i haven't had anything quite like that since the late 80s.

i have ZERO interest in popular strains like jillybean, who, just as i suspected with her romulan & skunk lineages DOES couchlock. i'm looking for a pure IBL style buzz, but that you can do indoors.

i've also loved the buzzes from: 8 miles high, super cali haze, haze, C99, kali mist (circa 1997), & even durban poison & onyx even if their licorice & nasty oil slick flavors are disgusting, but holding columbian gold as my standard for what a "trippy" strain is, nothing i've tried lives up to it's magical effects and i just don't trust 75% columbian gold strains to measure up either as 75% afghani skunk #1 just pisses me off with IT'S couchlock. i have less than no interest in jillybean no matter how many people try and push it on me. it's stoney just as you'd expect with it's romulan & skunk genetics that plucky C99 can't turn around on her own.

i've been asking this question for years and never getting any good answers. MAYBE someone here has tried an extra special haze that's gold dominant & trippier than the ones i've tried. i like haze a lot, don't get me wrong, but columbian gold is better in the psychoactivity department even if it doesn't have the grapier thai influenced flavor. "boring" pinecones are fine with me.

i've tried highland thai (full moon) indoors and got the IBL fussiness, growth pattern, authentic tutti fruity (juicy fruit gum) flavor and even hermies telling me it's VERY thai if not 100%, but when i cut it down at the start of flowering, it had virtually no psychoactivity, but the stone of an afghani. maybe the THC profile changes over time or maybe it was just too light starved under 400w to pull that off, but it was actually inferior to ALL of the other strains i've mentioned, even skunk #1, when i cut it down early.

i've been trying to get back to gold's floaty, sensual visual high for almost 3 decades now.

gold actually had SOME couchlock, especially compared to kali mist & C99, but never so much that it impaired your motivation & i'd be cool with a strain that has neutral energy like 8 miles high, but anything where the couchlock starts slowing you down even a little is an abomination to me. i have no interest for skunky strains either.

so, what TRIPPY gear have i been missing?

"but when i cut it down at the start of flowering, it had virtually no psychoactivity, but the stone of an afghani. maybe the THC profile changes over time or maybe it was just too light starved under 400w to pull that off, but it was actually inferior to ALL of the other strains i've mentioned, even skunk #1, when i cut it down early."

You're probably searching for a lost strain. I grew up with Colombian/Panamanian red, commonly referred to as red bud in the early 80's. It also sounds like you may have grown strains that don't replicate well outside of their native habitats. I had this problem in Florida when I tried Jamaican outdoors. The combination of different soil(too sandy), high heat, and zero elevation didn't work.

i started out on columbian gold, but you can't get it in pure form. it REALLY pisses me off when breeders have IBL strains and instead of breeding them with other IBLs like (burmese x columbian) x columbian gold to keep the IBL buzz totally intact, they ALWAYS use afghani or northern light s and thus prevent anyone from ever getting "the real deal". i'm so fucking sick and tired of stoner strains from forcing gear that gets you high into extinction and all of the high haters that troll on me for fighting the forces of greed back with attitude... for INDICAS that is until a troll turns it personal, then i stomp on their necks.

unless i find something more visual than haze x skunk, or at least faster & more compact, i'm going to try and find something to breed to it like maybe mosca's C99 & maybe a lowryder

columbian gold wasn't quite as potent as haze skunk and definitely not as dense or sticky as today's strains, but it just had the coolest THC profile that heightens your senses better than anything else i've smoked and had that awesome "light & floating" sensation NOTHING else i've smoked really has either.

Ace Seeds got what your looking for. Look into there Panama, Congo, Nepalse Jam.

Sonic seed hanuman haze and panag haze rock as well no pollution in ace eitherA-13 has a very visual high as well

i've always been interested in ace seeds gear on paper, but they don't get a lot of word of mouth. you're only the second or third person i've seen mention them, but everything i've heard so far has been positive. i already bookmarked their orient express strain. blackseed is supposed to be "the real deal" & mekong haze is supposed to be a pure 2x cambodian, but just try to get it to grow.

as to panama red, from what i rememberreading about that strain, it's more about euphoria & motivation with columbian gold being the trippy champ for south american strains anyways. i'm considering trying world of seeds' 75% gold or maybe the 75% version called senor garcia if it's still around.

the sound of those hazes by name is interesting, but i wonder how doable the are indoors. i already tried to tackly highland thai indoors and it was just too IBL for 400w & 3 gallons. i had none of my 5 mekong hazes pop from delta 9 labs and had nothing but tiny twisted mutants from my pack of VISC burmese. if i didn't know better, i'd swear there's a global conspiracy to eradicate IBLs and getting high so everyone turns into an obedient stoned robot. i'm really pissed i missed out on afropips' malawi gold.

i'll read up on the strains mentioned and bookmark them if they're doable. thanks again for the info.

probably not going to do sonic seeds. i can't find them at any seedbanks and don't like the idea of buying from a public site. that, and their gear looks too IBL to do indoors. that still remains the problem until someone starts lowryding IBLs... the best highs still come from gear you can't do indoors without dedicating your entire room to them for at least half a year.

This is what i here nevilles haze should be like, or some landrace sativa's. i grow more indica's and indica/sativa hybrids but you want a pure sativa landrace, i'd check Holy smoke seeds, the attitude sells their stuff and mostly never in stock Mozambique Poison was a pretty nice sativa i got to sample. nice taste for sure but fluffy airy buds.

Try some Delta 9 Labs strains, their sativa's are incredible
i grew their "Cannasutra" many years back and it got me to order their catalog for years.
some you may like are-
white-star
super-star

Ace has another strain that would fit your criteria it's currently out of stock but is coming back very soon, it's Bangi Haze and is very potent and yields well. Ace is the real deal, I'm doing a run very soon with there gear, my friend got me on to them, he ran Congo and Nepalse Jam both top notch and soaring sativa highs. When is 8 miles high from Mandala coming back?? That one sounds very interesting to me.

I'm getting some landrace 'Colombian gold' straight from an anthropologist that's been working in the jungles of Colombia. Supposedly a 16 week strain that hasn't been altered in the past 50 years.

What are the chances that this will grow the same inside though? I have a feeling that a bit of your problem is that export of the traditional south american sativas is diminishing. Cartels are moving to heavier yielding faster growing hybrids and same strains just aren't the same when grown somewhere else. Altitude, soil, UV levels... play a HUGE role in a buds high. I recently tried two two samplings of blue dream grown from the same mother by the same person but one grown at 5500 feet in iron heavy clay loam and the other grown a 1200 feet in silty loam and the differences are astounding.

hazey grapes said:

i started out on columbian gold, but you can't get it in pure form. it REALLY pisses me off when breeders have IBL strains and instead of breeding them with other IBLs like (burmese x columbian) x columbian gold to keep the IBL buzz totally intact, they ALWAYS use afghani or northern light s and thus prevent anyone from ever getting "the real deal". i'm so fucking sick and tired of stoner strains from forcing gear that gets you high into extinction and all of the high haters that troll on me for fighting the forces of greed back with attitude... for INDICAS that is until a troll turns it personal, then i stomp on their necks.

unless i find something more visual than haze x skunk, or at least faster & more compact, i'm going to try and find something to breed to it like maybe mosca's C99 & maybe a lowryder

columbian gold wasn't quite as potent as haze skunk and definitely not as dense or sticky as today's strains, but it just had the coolest THC profile that heightens your senses better than anything else i've smoked and had that awesome "light & floating" sensation NOTHING else i've smoked really has either.

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The only company I can find with a landrace Acapulco Gold strain is Canadian, and their prices are too low for me to buy into the claim. I've been searching for 3 months, the closest I can find is the following...which I already ordered b/c I'm fresh out of sativa strains. Hmm, link takes you to the homepage, I ordered the Malawi.
http://www.hemcy.com/open.html

GHOPZZ said:

Ace Seeds got what your looking for. Look into there Panama, Congo, Nepalse Jam.

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ACE looks pretty good as well, or about as close as I can find. It looks like they don't sell direct though, only through other distributors?.

http://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/Phnom_Penh/Reefermans_Seeds/


if you like the cambodian side of things

this stuff is RACEEEEEEY RACCEEEEEY head high

OP,

No offense, not trying to flame, I appreciate one who knows what they want; but I'm wondering if you'll ever find that same high again for a few reasons. One reason is that the brain changes over time. For instance, there was food and drink that when I was a kid would never touch or even fathom touching (i.e. oysters, sushi, squash, beer, wine etc.), but now that two decades have passed I eat and drink that stuff and love it. It's not just that I've matured, those things actually taste different to me now.

Translating that analogy to dank I've NEVER found a strain that made me laugh as hard those first two weeks I was introduced to Cannabis at 14. That strain...mexican shwag...I've had many times since and it doesn't work the same and I'm glad. Now I regularly turn that stuff down if more primo genetics is available because it tastes like crap and the high is mild to me. And the better stuff can still make me laugh hard, just not to where my cheeks hurt, or my buddy pisses the floor because he's crawling because he's laughing so hard he can't make it to the bathroom.

The point is I'm wondering if you would recognize the CG taste if it was right in front of you due to your body's change over time; or if you did recognize it, if the psychoactivity would be the same.

Reason two, and let me preface this with I'm a recent lurker on RIU because I used to not associate this activity with the net and kept stuff underground; now I'm trying to learn from you guys. I've noticed in other threads you seem to judge strains you've never tried solely on what others have said. Those people's perception of reality is most likely very different than yours. Also what others have said, the grow environment for these IBL's is equally important. If you got your hands on the real deal CG seed from 30 years ago it would probably grow and taste different outside of it's natural environment.

If anything, I appreciate your stance on sativas because that's exactly what I want for a daytime smoke or social outing. But I also need to find your polar opposite on this forum for indicas because at times when work has me stressed out I get insomnia and need something different to knock me out.


What do you think of SLH, Dr. Grinspoon, or Mallawi Gold? I've tried two of those (SLH and MG) and they were definitely strong sativas. The MG definitely seemed more pure sativa with that racy paranoia trippiness. I'm going to start SLH and DG indoors one at a time using some serious LST methods and try to be patient.


Good luck on your quest,
BudmanTamu

BudmanTamu said:

No offense, not trying to flame, I appreciate one who knows what they want; but I'm wondering if you'll ever find that same high again for a few reasons. One reason is that the brain changes over time.

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I agree 100 % ALSO modern day strains are so strong as to cause permanent brain damage (psychosis) to some teenagers with the wrong genetics.

The idea that mental illness has a correlation to cannabis use is a lie that has been almost made into fact, since cannabis is such a popular way of humans to self medicate, many with pre-existing mental conditions can show symptoms or syndromes when high on drugs, i have a brother who is schizophrenic and cannabis actually helps him (not saying it helps all schizo's because blanket statements suck) im sure once it becomes legal there will be billions used in research over the nature of cannabis and its entirety.

The Chemist Brothers said:

i have a brother who is schizophrenic and cannabis actually helps him (not saying it helps all schizo's because blanket statements suck) im sure once it becomes legal there will be billions used in research over the nature of cannabis and its entirety.

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brain damage was a poor choice of words I'll have to admit.
Yes the same highly rated science show also stated high CBD level strains do have a medicinal effect on some illnesses.
{CB I don't do friends BTW, nothing personal)

cannabiogen: Destroyer

http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=69

Or

http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/cannabiogen-seeds-panama-feminized/prod_3036.html

Or

http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/cannabiogen-leshaze/prod_72.html

Hmmmmm, maybe Malawi Gold ?
http://www.highgrade-seeds.com/seedlist.html

I have recently just done a grow on Dr. Grinspoon, Its a 100% pure Heirloom sativa - so the High is very cerebral
Ive found aswell, that through many attempts at growing and harvesting you can alter the chemical structure "in theory" just by picking it earlier or later.. earlier will almost guarantee absolutely no couchlock whatsoever imho.
I grew critical mass which is supposed to be a KO type effect - which it is... but i picked one girl 2 weeks before the other, and get no body effect whatsoever pure head high.

And for the record Grinspoon is just simply amazing the Cohiba of Sativas!