mother getting 18 hrs light/day and flowering! Why?

Father Ramirez

Father Ramirez

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I'm no pro but I've been doing pretty well. I grew from seed at 12/12 to determine sex. Tossed the males, kept the girls, and picked one fat mama as mama. She's 5 months old and beginning to flower again on 18/6.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated. All I can think is the seeds that were given to me have some auto in them.
Thanks
 
tropicalcannabispatient

tropicalcannabispatient

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Indacouch said:
I'm just curious 18/6 normally would keep a plant in veg correct no matter the maturity level ....you said sometimes that's why I ask and I am a seed and clone grower myself ...but I've been thinking about getting my own mommas going ....
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yes i had a couple girls flowering on me in 18/6. Thats actually after day 60+ in 18\6. I dont think they will flower in 20/4. Gl
 
tropicalcannabispatient

tropicalcannabispatient

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Father Ramirez said:
I'm no pro but I've been doing pretty well. I grew from seed at 12/12 to determine sex. Tossed the males, kept the girls, and picked one fat mama as mama. She's 5 months old and beginning to flower again on 18/6.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated. All I can think is the seeds that were given to me have some auto in them.
Thanks
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and anyway if those seeds would it have some auto on them u would not have that mom for 5 months.
 
Father Ramirez

Father Ramirez

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Whoa! Switch to decaf brah! I thought this was supposed to be a happy place.
You took offense to me questioning your statement as you wrote it. Write what you mean to say. Don't get on me because you weren't clear. You are exactly the person I was reluctant to hear from: a stoner spouting conjecture, not fact.
NEXT, PLEASE
 
#1Raiderfan420

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I would guess that you have some auto flower in the strain somewhere. I personally don't do the slow light transition. I run 24/0 in veg and then go to 12/12 when I flip. Just my personal approach, but that way it leaves no option to the ladies when to start showing their vaginas.
 
Dankonomics_genetics

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Ok, @Father Ramirez have you changed pot sizes? Because outdoor and indoor both lines will pot restrict flower sometimes. I've noticed this a lot, esp with outdoor varieties. If you restrict the roots too long basically it will shock the plant into flower. 20/4 is proven scientifically to generate better plants in veg consistently but I'd bet a repot or a root prune even would send it back into veg mode ;)
 
2easy

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Dankonomics_genetics said:
Ok, @Father Ramirez have you changed pot sizes? Because outdoor and indoor both lines will pot restrict flower sometimes. I've noticed this a lot, esp with outdoor varieties. If you restrict the roots too long basically it will shock the plant into flower. 20/4 is proven scientifically to generate better plants in veg consistently but I'd bet a repot or a root prune even would send it back into veg mode ;)
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have you got the scientific documentation to back that up? i have been growing for a very long time and have myself taken up a 16/8 light cycle because i find the plants do better with more rest. i personally believe 4 hours is not enough rest. i know they will grow even under 24/0 but i definitely think the extra rest allows certain processes that only occur during the night to happen.

im also not saying that im correct i culd be completely wrong so if there is some scientific evidence like you say there is i would like to see it and maybe change my mind
 
Psyphish

Psyphish

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Some strains are hard to keep as mothers since they want to flower so bad. Sometimes there's nothing you can do about it, doesn't necessarily have ruderalis in the genetics.
 
Dankonomics_genetics

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2easy said:
have you got the scientific documentation to back that up? i have been growing for a very long time and have myself taken up a 16/8 light cycle because i find the plants do better with more rest. i personally believe 4 hours is not enough rest. i know they will grow even under 24/0 but i definitely think the extra rest allows certain processes that only occur during the night to happen.

im also not saying that im correct i culd be completely wrong so if there is some scientific evidence like you say there is i would like to see it and maybe change my mind
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I'd have to dig to find the articles, which I don't have time for but it's all out there. I've always preferred 18/6 but it will send more boys into flower for sure early if root bound esp. 20/4 won't. I'm just trying to help the guy not prove anything to anyone, that's why I don't normally even go to these sites. I'm a member of invite only sites and info is shared freely as well as cuts, no prove me wrongs, no drama, I really barely have the time anyways to help out but I still do but I've read the articles with scientific proof for sure. I'm sure not every grower or strain will be spot on this info either but like I said the info is all out there. This guys issue isn't with his flower schedule I'd guess, it's because of being root restricted.
 
BobCajun

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Mine don't flower, under 6/2 light cycle. Pretty hard when they never get more than 2 hours dark at a time. But it probably is root binding. When I used a mother plant I would notice after a few months it would stop growing almost completely. I would take a knife and prune the roots by cutting through the medium about halfway between stem and pot all around, after taking a bunch of cuttings so they wouldn't need all their roots. In a week or so they would become vigorous again. Granted cutting roots could make them prone to getting infected with something through the cuts, but I never had a problem. I did it a bunch of times and kept the same plant in the same small pot for a few years that way.
 
2easy

2easy

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Dankonomics_genetics said:
I'd have to dig to find the articles, which I don't have time for but it's all out there. I've always preferred 18/6 but it will send more boys into flower for sure early if root bound esp. 20/4 won't. I'm just trying to help the guy not prove anything to anyone, that's why I don't normally even go to these sites. I'm a member of invite only sites and info is shared freely as well as cuts, no prove me wrongs, no drama, I really barely have the time anyways to help out but I still do but I've read the articles with scientific proof for sure. I'm sure not every grower or strain will be spot on this info either but like I said the info is all out there. This guys issue isn't with his flower schedule I'd guess, it's because of being root restricted.
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I would have to agree with you on the plant most likely being root bound causing the flowering issue.

I would have to disagree with the light cycle causing more males. That just doesn't back up what I have seen in over 2 decades of growing cannabis. Its also been suggested by geneticists that although almost all plants evolved from hermaphrodite origins that plants with seperate male and females have different genes. While they all have the potential to produce male flowers the plants with the y chromosome contain 2 proteins which the others do not. One of these proteins restricts male flower development and the other promotes female flower development. The presence of these proteins in the female plants from a very young age suggests that sex is determined most likely during the development of the seed.

Now I'm not saying that there isn't an off chance that your right and that somehow the 20/4 light cycle doesn't somehow enhance the effect of those proteins but I am saying that in all my years of growing and trying different things the ratio of males to females has always been fairly even so I would suggest it's fairly unlikely.
 
Dankonomics_genetics

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2easy said:
I would have to agree with you on the plant most likely being root bound causing the flowering issue.

I would have to disagree with the light cycle causing more males. That just doesn't back up what I have seen in over 2 decades of growing cannabis. Its also been suggested by geneticists that although almost all plants evolved from hermaphrodite origins that plants with seperate male and females have different genes. While they all have the potential to produce male flowers the plants with the y chromosome contain 2 proteins which the others do not. One of these proteins restricts male flower development and the other promotes female flower development. The presence of these proteins in the female plants from a very young age suggests that sex is determined most likely during the development of the seed.

Now I'm not saying that there isn't an off chance that your right and that somehow the 20/4 light cycle doesn't somehow enhance the effect of those proteins but I am saying that in all my years of growing and trying different things the ratio of males to females has always been fairly even so I would suggest it's fairly unlikely.
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I wasn't saying it will increase male rates bro. I was saying as a breeder it will sent clones of your breeder males into flower if root bound too long on less than 20/4. Personally though I don't think sex is predetermined at all in a seed. Reason being is I believe they sense each other and if needed they will change ratios of males and females to ensure survival or herm. One of the two. But it's up for debate for sure but that's my take
 
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