Mother Plants

so how are you supposed to know your plant is a female,to become a mother plant?Will It just show sex on 18/4 after x amount of days?or do you do 12 12 then find out and revert to 18 4?

sorry for the newb question, im on my first female and wanted to clone but I fear its too late for that

where did you get the seeds?

BiscoNughuffer said:

where did you get the seeds?

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are you talkin to me dude?

At about the 4th week of veg, you should begin looking at the main nodes of the plant. Initially it will be difficult to tell, but by the 6th week you should know for sure,and if male, get them the hell out of there.
MALE: a male will have a protrusion at the node that is reminiscient to a human thumb. It will be like a stub that grows more in width than length. From this little nub seeds will form when flowering begins...this is not what you want if you are trying to attain a mother plant!
FEMALE: instead of nubs at the nodes, two hairs that will maintain a constant width will grown in length after thet form. They will be reminiscient of tentacles of which are long and thin. Again, initially it will be hard to tell, but by the 6th week you should know for sure.
MOTHER PLANT: To determine which plant to use as a mother plant to attain clones, simply do so by first ruling out all males. Secondly, you should choose a plant that has plenty of healthy available clones (an available, usable clone will be a stem that is about 2-3 main nodes down, and has about 2-4 small cotyledons on it). The mother plant should be the female plant that is healthiest, has grown the longest, and has the most available stems to turn into clones
TO CLONE: snip off the stem after the 2-3 main nodes and some cotyledons with a 45 degree angle across the stem...be sure to use a brand new fresh razor. After you snip it off, split the end of the stem vertically about a half inch up the stem...in other words, begin to cut the stem in half longways from the bottom, and go about a half inch up...after you have cut this, cut the two lowest nodes of cotyledons from the bottom off to increase surface area that the cloning gel adheres to. The most important aspect to remember to get it to root is that the more surface area you make, the more possibility for root growth. After the cuts, IMMEDIATELY place the exposed cut end of the stem into a cup of water to maintain viable life. Then all you have to do is apply the gel, place them in your growing medium, place a hood over the clones and maintain a humidity of AT LEAST 85% or more!!! This is imperative because the leaves will be unable to get water because their is no root system initially...until the roots form, which could be up to 2 weeks, tedious care needs to be taken to maintain a high humid. level. Remember to use flourescent lights because they generate little heat and clones should be at about 75 degrees, which can be tough in the summer. ANY MORE QUESTIONS?

rollitup said:

Any female can become a mother plant, no matter how old. She can be grown from seed or be a clone of a clone. The important thing to remember when taking clones from a mother is never to let the mother bloom and then revert back to vegetative growth. Clones taken from a rejuvenated female tend to be less potent and weaker.
Several mother plants that are always kept in vegetative stage are a good source of cloning stock. Strong mothers produce strong healthy clones. Start new mothers from seed every year. Clones have a better chance of being strong and healthy when mothers are not stressed.

Mother plants must have at least eighteen hour days to retain a strong and accurate set of genetic characteristics. Each time a mother is forced from vegetative growth to flowering and back again, her genetic integrity diminishes. An easy analogy would be to make a photocopy of an original page and then photocopy the photocopy. The original is always more clear. By the time the photocopy is photocopied twice in a row, it is a totally different document. (I hope that makes sense) Degradation takes place over years through stress and through the stress of flowing and rejuvenation, which causes plants to loose their integrity. Mothers that are forced to flower and revert back to vegetative growth, not only yield less, they are stressed and confused.

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Bump

I see a lot of new growers getting bad advice about reverting mothers without being informed of the consequences. Degraded genetics.

That's right; when you reveg a mother her genetics are degraded. Period

I'm not saying you can't reveg a mother, and grow out many satisfactory harvest using a reveg, but the genetics won't be as good as they were originally.

Even by taking many cuttings over and over again you are stressing the mother and genetics are degraded - over time. This is of little consequence to commercial grower, but the hobby, and medical grower is more concerned with keeping the quality he or she has, and avoiding the added expense and hassle of securing new genetics.

It's much better to take cuttings from each successive batch of vegged clones. This can be done dozens of times with no loss in quality.

Sadly there are few alternatives for the one garden (space) grower, who's interested in continuing their genetic line. If you are growing bag-seed you are far better off starting with new seed, rather than trying to reserve a mother.

One of the singe space growers best options is to grow auto flowering strains which flower irregardless of light cycle, and veg in 12/12 light. Reserve the males (when their flowers are almost ripe), remove them from your garden, collect their pollen, and use it to pollinate select female branches. This way you have a steady supply of seed for future generations.

Another option is to take clones before flowering the mother, and by the time they root, the mother usually shows sex. Then put them all immediately into flower.

Better yet, create a cloning and vegging area, and only take clones from clones.

Its physically impossible for any type of organic organism to change its genetics (Chromosomal DNA). I would stop using this term...

I mean common sense tells that you aren't creating a new sub-species simply by cutting a branch off a vegged mother.

I think you mean it stresses the plant to a point its clones are unlikely to live up to their full growth rate/potential.

Still a noob though.

shiiiit, my mothers are from seed but i had 12/12'd them early for a few days so i could weed out the males asap. I think i screwed em royally because after a few days of 12/12hps they seemed to still flower under the 18/6MH for awhile. now it makes sense... back to the drawing boards...

Great thread. I too have heard that it is physically impossible to change the genetic makeup of a plant, or any organism for that matter. You'd think that by getting a clone from a re-vegged mother you'd have a stronger plant. Like supercropping. Stressing the plant to force it to rebuild itself even stronger. The "photocopies" analogy is great and all, but a plant is not a piece of paper. That's like sayin' wood will warp in extreme conditions, so plastic should do the same.

rollitup said:

Any female can become a mother plant, no matter how old. She can be grown from seed or be a clone of a clone. The important thing to remember when taking clones from a mother is never to let the mother bloom and then revert back to vegetative growth. Clones taken from a rejuvenated female tend to be less potent and weaker.
Several mother plants that are always kept in vegetative stage are a good source of cloning stock. Strong mothers produce strong healthy clones. Start new mothers from seed every year. Clones have a better chance of being strong and healthy when mothers are not stressed.

Mother plants must have at least eighteen hour days to retain a strong and accurate set of genetic characteristics. Each time a mother is forced from vegetative growth to flowering and back again, her genetic integrity diminishes. An easy analogy would be to make a photocopy of an original page and then photocopy the photocopy. The original is always more clear. By the time the photocopy is photocopied twice in a row, it is a totally different document. (I hope that makes sense) Degradation takes place over years through stress and through the stress of flowing and rejuvenation, which causes plants to loose their integrity. Mothers that are forced to flower and revert back to vegetative growth, not only yield less, they are stressed and confused.

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Nice bit of info.. Great read..

Thanks..

Got a quick question folks. If I have a mother plant growing and take cuttings. Then take the cuttings and put them on the window sill in November/December. Would these clones still bud, even though the days (in London) are very short. Would I still get a smoke out of it. I have grown Northern Lights on my window sill over the summer, and is doing nicely. But thought this may work instead of buying another grow tent, light etc.

Ordered twice from Amsterdam and no issues yet.... discreet shipping..

P.R dude said:

Widow,dont be afraid to buy seeds.Just go to the link on my signature.Amsterdam seeds deliver world wide,super stealthy and super fast

Plus!!they come from Amsterdam!!!

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Yeah do that. Or you can go to attitude seeds, they ship to USA, whenever I order I use the crushproof tin option in checkout.

Tanya said:

..I’m growing my mother plant (in soil) from a seed and plan to keep it in one of them small grow tents. But how do I stop it from growing to tall, and do i give it same nutrients as my other vegitaing plants? also, where’s the best place to take cuttings from and at what stage?

xTANYAx

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tanya you can clone the mother and let it grow and bud, just keep cloning the clones before you start to bud, the potancy will stay the same,