My 2nd grow, 400 watt hempy scrog, 3x White Russian

Okay so i just finished up my first grow here, https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/559980-my-first-grow-400-watt-23.html i pulled off a decent harvest for a first time grower in super soil, but since i have successfully completed my first grow i have decided its time to turn it up a notch and get things dialed in, i want to make everything as efficient as possible in my first grow i noticed quite a few things that need to be improved upon. I am going to start by ditching this super soil and these air pots and converting to hempy buckets because in my last grow i had some pH / nutrient issues and i would like something that is a bit easier to control, for my second improvement i will be building a new scrog crate system, in my last grow i had two 2 foot by 2 foot crates that were not designed for this application so they did not make any where near full use of the space. For my 3rd improvement i will be centering my light and figuring out a new suspension system so i can gain some height in my grow room, and for my 4th improvement i will be changing around my ventilation system to reduce the noise and make it easier to mount my wall mounted osculating fan where i want it. My grow room is about 5 feet long by about 2 1/2 feet wide so you can see that 2x2 scrog crates from last time did not take full advantage of the space i had, originally my plan for the scrog screen in this revamp was to just build 1 solid screen across the whole closet, at the time i was considering doing 4 plants and i realized that a screen like this in a semi perpetual grow would be a huge pain in the ass so i have again decided i am going to go with a crate method, the plan is to build 3 scrog crates to fit the closet as snugly as possible and then rotate the plants 1 time per day so that all the plants get an even amount of light.

Alright so as you know i just completed my first grow consisting of 1 Serious Seeds White Russian and 1 Barneys Farm Blue Cheese, i decided i don't think i am going to try and regrow the Blue Cheese it has excellent taste and a pretty good high but the yield was a bit disappointing, the way it grew was annoying and the small pop corn style nuggs pissed me off. So i am looking for 2 new strains to add to my collection these are the seeds i have to choose from, World of seeds Medical Collection Northern Lights x Big Bud, Eva seeds Veneno (Poison), G13 Blueberry Gum, Dinafem seeds Moby Dick, Dinafem seeds OG Kush, T H seeds MK Ultra, TH seeds Burmese Kush. I am very concerned about height because i am scrogging and most of these seeds sound like they get pretty tall, but i am also getting some conflicting information about some of them so i was wondering if anyone could shed some light on any of these strains for me, i just a good scrog plant.

Dinafem Moby Dick and T/H MK Ultra. I haven't grown neither but have read good reports on both. That would b my selection out of your list. Peace!!

Attitude says moby dick will get up to 9 feet tall out doors and that its mostly sativa, i considered mk ultra also but upon doing some research i found that it gets up to 6 feet tall, as I've said though I've seen quite a bit of conflicting information and don't know what to go with, I've only got a few feet of canopy space.

I'm going to post some pictures of it in present state for before and afters, the room is pretty much the same as it was while in use except that it is missing the scrog crates, also the ventilation system got changed up mid grow because i thought i had an odor issue, before i had the centrifugal fan at the end sucking air threw the filter, the hood and then the fan but i had to change it around to the current set up because my air cooled hood was not sealing properly.

hiya, just finished some mk ultra..... its a nice plant with middle to top buds all decent sizes very dense.
mine grew to about 3- 3 1/2 ft. when dry she gave me about 3+1/2 oz. not bad. she was 1 of seven different varieties i did at the same time! never again! they all demanded different attention!!
its a strong smoke and a strong taste....a bit like big bud but better and sweeter! covered in red/brown hairs! looked a bit like captain the caveman!
i did king kong, sage, cheesy dick, melon gum, chiesel and my own blue variety..
i will be keeping my own, chiesel, cheesey dick and melon gum!
good luck

Thanks for the info man at what height did you flower at? I must say looking at it on attitude's site it was one of my top picks but the 6 foot thing kinda scared me off i don't want a plant that gets entangled and mashed in the screen like the blue cheese did i want something more like the White Russian it didn't stretch nearly as much and it had some big ass colas, also does anyone have any info on World of seeds Medical Collection Northern Lights x Big Bud? I watched a video on cannabis and cancer and i must say i was amazed to say the least, i always figured "these people are dying or sick fuck the law give them something to make them selves feel better" but according to this video the benefits of ingesting cannabis are of a massive scope, hints my interest in the high CBD content of the big bud x NL.

Here is that video i was talking about some amazing shit.

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I got a Milk crate grow SCRoG with a plant right now. I love using milk crates for a plant.

Peace

FM

You can't judge by the description anymore! Most strains are hybrids that may or may not lean a certain way (more Sat leaning or Ind). What you have to do is find the pheno that works best for your application. You're doing a scrog and most strains can be scrogged. Do some pheno hunting and make sure to take a couple clippings to save incase you find something you like. Look forward to your next scrog!!

F.M.I.L.Y said:

I got a Milk crate grow SCRoG with a plant right now. I love using milk crates for a plant.

Peace

FM

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That sounds convenient but i don't think it would be very efficient for my grow, you set the milk crates upside down over the plants?

Shaggn said:

You can't judge by the description anymore! Most strains are hybrids that may or may not lean a certain way (more Sat leaning or Ind). What you have to do is find the pheno that works best for your application. You're doing a scrog and most strains can be scrogged. Do some pheno hunting and make sure to take a couple clippings to save incase you find something you like. Look forward to your next scrog!!

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Man i wish it was easier, pheno hunting is a bit of a bitch for me since i can pretty much only get seeds, no clones where I'm at, this White Russian was exactly what i was looking for unfortunately i was lazy about cloning and i took clones from the Blue Cheese and the White Russian the day that i harvested them, the Blue Cheese went into the cloner 18 days ago, and the White Russian 8 days ago, i have 2 clones of both plants none of them have rooted yet, most of the Blue Cheeses fan leaves have yellowed up and died but the sugar leaves are still green so hopefully that's a good sign, not that i care about the Blue Cheese im not even sure why its still in the cloner i guess its just an experiment to see if it lives. I really do hope this White Russian lives though great smoke and i loved the characteristics of the plant, also the descriptions on attitude piss me off they will say that a plant is great for a small highly productive garden and then i look further into it and im like wtf 200cm?

As far as my grow room goes i still haven't made any progress on it, I'm going to have pleanty of time to get stuff taken care of while im waiting for seeds to get going and my clones to revert i really should be germinating something now though I'm going to get a 400 watt MH this time around and see how much it improves the growth rate during veg, i would really like to get some stuff done on this grow room but i find it hard to wake up before the sun goes down and right now its cold as fuck in my garage due to the winter and all.

Didn't mean that you're stuck having to pheno hunt, Just seems most breeders now do their pollen chuck as fast n easy for a quick buck. That being said tho, some are good at it and those tend to cost a lil more for the beans. You will see a huge difference having the 400mh for veg rather than the cfls -- These are good for side and underside lighting Your clippings will root, they just take extra time. I just saved 3 strains for a friend, his plants were in week ten of bloom and I took 4 tiny clippings from each and had 3 of each survive and root. Took almost 3 weeks but they did root No worries man, look forward to your next one when you get there. I myself will be starting up a hempy soon. Will let ya know so u can stop by. Peace!!

Sweet man, looking forward to checking out your grow.

Here is my Milk Crate Plant. I use the Milk Crate and line it with fabric then fill it with soil. They are awesome for SCRoGin a plant too.

now thats a tree

Wow man that is fucking huge.

Well it was a nice day today and i got up early so i got some work done on my grow room, i painted my buckets with black paint to keep the light out then i threw on some white paint to keep the heat out, make sure you buy plenty of white paint if you try this as it takes a lot of white to cover up black, i also got some work done on the support structure for my lights and ventilation, what i should have done the first time is frame up the entire room so i could mount every thing to the ceiling but i didn't do that when i installed my automatic fire extinguisher so i am having to fix some structural issues caused by the way i did it the first time, but i should have that handled in no time.

I have had a stealth veg chamber / dresser sitting here for months not getting used because its not exactly stealth, in fact I'm pretty sure it is the reason i was so lazy about taking clones, it was because i didn't want this big fucker sitting in the corner glowing, but now it is and i need to get it taken care of the whole thing is pretty much light proofed accept for the door and even that is light proofed, the problem is i have no ventilation in it so i have to keep the door open or it gets to hot. I went out a while back and picked up some supply's to make a DIY carbon filter out of a nylon and some pencil cups but there was one piece i was not able to find and that was the essential larger outer pencil cup, so I've had all the stuff just sitting here for months. So anyways i was sitting here yesterday thinking about the issue and wondering what i should do, so i decided to get a new perspective on it and ask my GF what she thought, so the first words out of her mouth were the solution to the problem, she said to me why don't you hook up a hose to the grow room. And so that is what i am going to do, the dresser has to be out in the open to mate with the closet i also cant just connect 2 flanges and connect with duct because the back of the dresser is not so stealth looking and the ducting would force it out away from the wall which would make the modifications visible, so the plan is to cut a 4 inch duct hole in the top of the door of my stealth dresser then i am going to seal it up and put a flange on it then i am going to make a square of weather stripping around the flange to seal every thing up when it is mated to the female end, on the other end i am going to install a slightly bigger duct flange and pipe it threw the wall into the grow room then when they are mated together the suction from my grow closet will ventilate my mother/clone room. I must say i like this idea much better than building a mini ventilation system out of ac adapters, computer fans and diy carbon scrubbers, i have huge paranoia about a fire starting with my shit while I'm away and having this thing passively vented will help to ease my mind a bit.

So with that plans for that all out of the way I've pretty much got all my problems tackled accept for the drain pans of course and the water, I've been looking all around for something big enough to hold the run off from the 12" round hempy buckets i thought about a giant litter box but Walmart doesn't carry litter boxes for fat ass cats.

wow looks awesome!

Well after 3 long weeks one of my Blue Cheese clones has roots, at least i think its the Blue Cheese because it looks much farther along in the cloning process than the other 2 do, fuck i really should have labeled them or marked them some how, does anyone know if the roots showing up is a sign that the plants are done reverting back to negative or could they still be in the middle of the process?

So i got some more work done today on the suspension support structure for the light and the ventilation system, i got all of the major components taken care of I've just got a few small things to do before i hook every thing up. I really do hate having that carbon filter on the other side of that attic access space cover i had to stand up on a chair and hold that panel and carbon filter in place with my head while i drilled the screws in. Its a lot better than when i had that centrifugal fan up there though, there were a few times i was standing on top of a chair that was sitting on top of a coffee table trying to take care of something lol. Such a pain in the ass i wish i could work out a better way to set up this ventilation system i also wish i wasn't pumping all my warm air out of my house in the middle of winter time. Hmm now i am heavily contemplating cutting a hole in the wall so i can keep my hot air in my house it would also be nice to know that my filter is going bad before my neighbors do, I'm also considering repainting the walls or getting some mylar and putting it up i cant believe how scuffed up these walls are i painted them flat white right before my last grow.

Okay so i was doing some more research on the gh hard water micro and i decided to try and find out what is in my water and this is what i found, I'm just looking for any info in regards to whether or not i should use gh hard water micro or regular micro, also i would like to know if there is anything in here that will fuck up my crop, thanks for any info in advance.

[edit] Also i tested my water and the ppm came out to 285 and the ph came out at 8.0.