my computer controlled grow room - GrowControl 1.1

BigBudBalls

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Distributed Control:
Is done all the time with PLCs. DeviceNET, DirectNet, DH485, Ethernet, RemoteLogic, CAN, MODBus, Profibus, etc.

Though I was looking at Direct Automations line of remote I/O stuff. Found it cheaper to just add brick PLCs at the locations, but that means numerous programs to maintain. But not unlike the above.

If the Host PC is controlling everything, then its basically a PLC. If smart nodes, then multiple programs to maintain.

So pick your poison. Neither is wrong nor right.

I don't see much reason to automate unless you are rarely there or away for extended periods of time. How much work is it to water a plant? All the effort going into the automation is going to need quite a few grows to gain a ROI of time.
 

indoor.tomatoes

Active Member
if you're there and a plc has your atmospheric conditions dialed, and your lights on 12/12 you can spend more time with the plants watering, pruning and checking for bugs/mold. plus you can setup smoke sensor and overheating checks to keep from burning things. also (assuming you can do it well) if you build a whole system yourself with reputable industry-grade componets it will be less failure prone that cheapo, knock, uncalibratable, made in china, plastic hydro-store p.o.s. stuff.

i leave for trips a week or longer from time to time for work now so i'm planning on building up a plc setup pretty soon in my closet. i have my b.s. for mech eng and played around in the lab with analog and digital sensors a bit while i was at school, but i have a few questions before shelling out $200-500 on a controller, sensors and relays. i've read the whole thread* and saw someone uses an eaton, an allen bradey, a computer, an SL5/05 (or something like that)

1) any suggested plc's to work with (spec model) and if any can be programmed with block diagrams or ladder logic I'd be better off working with one of those to avoid the whole learning the syntax hurdle. although the eaton tech support sounded pretty killer.
1.5) and sensor recommendations too for temp, humidity, photocell, smoke
2) are there any compatibility issues between sensors and plcs to watch out for?
3) relay ratings appropriate for 600w digital lumatek ballast (the purple one)
4) what can I use to set up variable fan speed with say a "4 vortex or can fan
5) what are the datalogging capabilities of these things like? say tracking temp, hum for starters (also if it turned off for overheat or smoke to indicate why)
6) do the plcs handle multiple conditions at once or do they just keep looping through a list of checks/instructions

alright enough questions...friday night...tequila shots callin' out my name!

thanks bigbudballs, bloodshot420 and infamous zero for all the great info you guys have offered here on plcs!
and also thanks to lorenzo for the killer work on your software. and i'm sure with your drive you can find a killer job where you a) aren't setup to be played like a corp's little bitch and b) probably making more $ than before (granted there may be more than a few plants and multiple grow spots involve... haha)

later - indoTs

ps. if you'd like to see some of what i learned while i was at school in my late-night/weekend classes check out my thread on canna cabana. i forget the name but it's something like 'white widow 15 gal bucket 400w'. it was just a 1 plant show...but i have to show it off. my first real grow...that one had me hooked from the start.

*i also read these ones and suggest them to anyone who found all of this helpful:
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/137251-anyone-here-controlling-your-grow-2.html
 

BigBudBalls

Well-Known Member
1) any suggested plc's to work with (spec model) and if any can be programmed with block diagrams or ladder logic I'd be better off working with one of those to avoid the whole learning the syntax hurdle. although the eaton tech support sounded pretty killer.
bang for the buck I like the AutomationDirect DL06. You can add 4 or 5 modules to handle A/D/A, comms (RS485/422/232, ethernet, profibus, etc) HS Counters, etc. Its a combo brick/rack. Only weird thing with them is they kinda like Octal and BCD. Octal addressing. but for data you can typecast it to integer or real.
1.5) and sensor recommendations too for temp, humidity, photocell, smoke
2) are there any compatibility issues between sensors and plcs to watch out for?
Gotta read the data sheets for the sensor and the PLC. I used a Telicare for CO2 and temp. had R232 and analog out.
3) relay ratings appropriate for 600w digital lumatek ballast (the purple one)
600W / voltage (+10% for ballast overhead)
4) what can I use to set up variable fan speed with say a "4 vortex or can fan
Get fan controler or better yet a fan with built in setting to avoid a hum and premature failure. The SP TDS series have dual feeds that can be handled by a relay
5) what are the datalogging capabilities of these things like? say tracking temp, hum for starters (also if it turned off for overheat or smoke to indicate why)
All depends. Store in the PLC? Will be limited due to free RAM. Can output via serial to a PC easy enough. (but you gotta buy or write a PC program to import/log it.
6) do the plcs handle multiple conditions at once or do they just keep looping through a list of checks/instructions
They loop. Its left to right, top to bottom. Now with that said there are interrupts to handle things *now* but I doubt 10ms is going to make a difference in a grow room under any circumstance. If the smoke detector just went off, that 10ms isn't going to change anything. Also good coding and only running section that need to be can sped up the core program.
 

YouGrowBoy

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OK, all this stuff is great. Here's my dilemma. While I am quite smart :) I'm not a programmer or computer geek nor do I want to learn to be a programmer or computer geek. I use photoshop but I could care less how adobe programmed it to do what it does. However, I do want to automate several large grows to do much of what you guys are piecing together.

I looked at some of the photos and videos and quite honestly it's frightening. Wires running every which way, dangling relays and controllers. I just don't get it and it takes an engineering type mind to build. I'm more the artsy type and I've already tapped my limited brain power building a custom DWC/Aero system.

What's a non-tech guy supposed to do to get a cleanly built large hydro garden (600+sf) with automated lights (timers), water pumps, Co2, intake and exhaust fans, etc... for 2 rooms, 1 veg, 1 flower. My reason for automation is to allow time for plant care and training (larger yields come from training by hand and 100 or so plants takes time) and not the god stuff (light, air and water) which can be all automated.

I know you can get two of the following: cheap, reliable and easy. I'd like reliable and easy but inexpensive would be nice too.

Thanks for your input

YGB
 

BigBudBalls

Well-Known Member
Jsut buy a CAP system.

OK, all this stuff is great. Here's my dilemma. While I am quite smart :) I'm not a programmer or computer geek nor do I want to learn to be a programmer or computer geek. I use photoshop but I could care less how adobe programmed it to do what it does. However, I do want to automate several large grows to do much of what you guys are piecing together.

I looked at some of the photos and videos and quite honestly it's frightening. Wires running every which way, dangling relays and controllers. I just don't get it and it takes an engineering type mind to build. I'm more the artsy type and I've already tapped my limited brain power building a custom DWC/Aero system.

What's a non-tech guy supposed to do to get a cleanly built large hydro garden (600+sf) with automated lights (timers), water pumps, Co2, intake and exhaust fans, etc... for 2 rooms, 1 veg, 1 flower. My reason for automation is to allow time for plant care and training (larger yields come from training by hand and 100 or so plants takes time) and not the god stuff (light, air and water) which can be all automated.

I know you can get two of the following: cheap, reliable and easy. I'd like reliable and easy but inexpensive would be nice too.

Thanks for your input

YGB
 
If you want to see some true wizardry when it comes to CCG you have to look at our GroBot from PurGro.

The GroBot is fully programmable to run lighting cycles, inject nutrients, pH control solutions, inhibitors, or any other liquid of your choice using your custom settings. There's a lot of talk these days about Computer Controlled Growing (CCG). Here's how you can actually do it -- from mixing the solutions to cycling the CO2 and cleaning and flushing the system, GroBot does it all.

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lorenzop

Member
If you want to see some true wizardry when it comes to CCG you have to look at our GroBot from PurGro.
looks like you're just advertising a motorized greenhouse cover. kinda a crummy website too, especially for a business. love the idea for that one product, but a little bit over priced. $4400 for a 6x6?
 

RMCG

Active Member
looks like you're just advertising a motorized greenhouse cover. kinda a crummy website too, especially for a business. love the idea for that one product, but a little bit over priced. $4400 for a 6x6?
Wrong site.

Google PurGro, not GroBot.

Look like nice units. Definitely an investment, but for what it is and what it can do, I would drop the $$ on the XL unit (controls 99 relays, 20 res's, dosers, pumps, lights, everything) over building something that requires tinkering.
 

mysticinv

Member
Im thinking of trying a project like this using an Arduino (a type of micro controller) or two depending on how many devices i would need to hook up.

Then create a GUI using wxWidgets C++ to communicate with the Arduinos.

So fair, i know how to monitor co2 levels, temperature, humidity, soil moisture .
I know i can control lights, ventilation, temperature, humidity, watering, and burst co2 from a tank.

The Two things i dont know how to find out electronically is ph level of the water, also soil fertilizer concentrations.

Im a software engineer which is like computer science and electrical combined together. so if anyone has a start on one already or really interested and have electrical, c++ , or c++ wxWidgets experience message me.
 
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