my defoliated vs non defoliated... pictures inside.

Uncle Ben said:

Opinion to some, science to others.

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.. what I was thinking. Cracks me up...

The thing about defoliation that does not get mentioned enough in these threads is the fact that everything the defoliators are going for can be had with genetics, proper plant spacing, minimal training, canopy mngmnt. You do need to strip your plants of leaves to get maturity from top to bottom. If you are not getting maturity from top to bottom then you have not learned to properly grow your genetics... worst case scenario, you have stubborn genetics and you need a 2 part harvest.

Wish I could convince you, but it's not going to happen. Wasted energy and lower yields...

I wanna see Bud Brewer grow that skunk plant without defol... that plant must be amazing, pulling yields that he claims while being mutilated. Beast...

HeartlandHank said:

The thing about defoliation that does not get mentioned enough in these threads is the fact that everything the defoliators are going for can be had with genetics, proper plant spacing, minimal training, canopy mngmnt. You do need to strip your plants of leaves to get maturity from top to bottom. If you are not getting maturity from top to bottom then you have not learned to properly grow your genetics... worst case scenario, you have stubborn genetics and you need a 2 part harvest.

Wish I could convince you, but it's not going to happen. Wasted energy and lower yields...


I wanna see Bud Brewer grow that skunk plant without defol... that plant must be amazing, pulling yields that he claims while being mutilated. Beast...

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Who wants maturity from top to bottom? Not only can you increase yeild but you can eliminate popcorn buds on your lower branches. Leaving all those sucker shoots will rob the rest of the plant and overall will have smaller colas and a lot of popcorn.

Eliminating the popcorn is my goal and in trying to do this I found out energy transfer from the manipulation does not decrease my yeild but just the opposite, bigger more solid bud and an increase in yeild.

I have done the side by side with many strains and though some do not like manipulation I have yet to go below my expected Quantity or quality.

Apomixis said:

Yeah technically you can say that the lil leaves that arise at bud sites are producing sugars and that those sugars are going directly to the bud, .....

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Going to the roots and stems too, and herein lies what many people don't think though - that a plant has fluid based, distribution system, the phloem, just like you do (blood, veins, arteries) and just because a fan leaf produces carbos 3' up the plant doesn't mean it stays and is used for cellular production at that location. Any one heard of the term "phloem"? Dat's right....

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Sir.Ganga said:

Who wants maturity from top to bottom? Not only can you increase yeild but you can eliminate popcorn buds on your lower branches. Leaving all those sucker shoots will rob the rest of the plant and overall will have smaller colas and a lot of popcorn.

Eliminating the popcorn is my goal and in trying to do this I found out energy transfer from the manipulation does not decrease my yeild but just the opposite, bigger more solid bud and an increase in yeild..

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What a load of baseless crap. The only sucker is you. Sorry, but Grandma was wrong when she instructed little Johnny to get out to the garden and pull all dem suckers off her maters. Those "sucker shoots" are frickin' green ya retard, which means they are producing carbos for the entire plant. You pull them off and you done screwed up your maters. I have never seen so many try to make this growing thingie so complicated and confusing as dorks like you.

Come on now, you can do it! Pull that head out and see the light!!!!!

xylem and phloem baby......even terms like vascular and epidermis are used. Imagine that......

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Uncle Ben said:

What a load of baseless crap. The only sucker is you. Sorry, but Grandma was wrong when she instructed little Johnny to get out to the garden and pull all dem suckers off her maters. Those "sucker shoots" are frickin' green ya retard, which means they are producing carbos for the entire plant. You pull them off and you done screwed up your maters. I have never seen so many try to make this growing thingie so complicated and confusing as dorks like you.

Come on now, you can do it! Pull that head out and see the light!!!!!

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I dont think the guy is even bright enough to find his own ass. Much less figure out how to pull something out of it.

Alexander Supertramp said:

xylem and phloem baby......even terms like vascular and epidermis are used. Imagine that......

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Guys experimenting are saying don't do it, all of us who have done it are saying don't do it, YET, 2 retards, 1 of which seems to have left the building,keeps on and on about his backassward technics. Then try to insult the guy that has 100's of people grow super dank by following his simple,mother nature like Technics. It really doesn't take a genius to figure this out.

Sir.Ganga said:

Who wants maturity from top to bottom? Not only can you increase yeild but you can eliminate popcorn buds on your lower branches. Leaving all those sucker shoots will rob the rest of the plant and overall will have smaller colas and a lot of popcorn.

Eliminating the popcorn is my goal and in trying to do this I found out energy transfer from the manipulation does not decrease my yeild but just the opposite, bigger more solid bud and an increase in yeild.

I have done the side by side with many strains and though some do not like manipulation I have yet to go below my expected Quantity or quality.

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Defoliation and cutting out a little lower growth are two completely different things... I cut out lower growth too. Honestly, more so for room to work than popcorn issues.
You do not have to defol to avoid popcorn.. I've been doing it for some time. I can help you with that if you want...

Sir.Ganga said:

Not only can you increase yeild but...

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You see an increase in over all yield from cutting out lower growth? I can't definitively say I have seen an increase. I've recently stepped up in yields and am still trying to pick out what change to that flower cycle was responsible for how much increase in production. There were several changes and I assume several contributed to the increase.

Have you done enough before/after or side by side to get an idea of what kind of yield increase you have seen? Just a guess, in general, with said genetics.

I saw 20-25% yield increase (previous grows, same plant, same system) during a grow that I fucking nailed the canopy, nailed the branching (mostly genetics), nailed the feeding, nailed the veg growth,,, it just went really well.
I've bounced around on what I think was most responsible. Perhaps the removal of lower flower sites contributed more than I thought... I know less training equated to less flower sites which equated to larger buds very well spaced. Which mean better canopy mngmt, more light delivered to plant, more yields. Fuck, I wish I could nail another grow like that. It was a little bit more labor intensive though. I've been a little too busy to baby the plants lately.

If you are saying that defoliation increased yields though I can't really have much confidence in your info on pruning suckers/yields and what not. Haha. But yeah, I like to cut out lower growth too, for a handful of reasons.

Username42 said:

How to defoliate and why not to remove all the leaves is detailed.

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very well said.
it's obvious the op had no idea on how to truly defoliate and went about it the wrong way. i said it before and i'll say it again, defoliating works if you know what you're doing. someone stripping all the leaves off of a cola then posting results as if he knew what he was doing (which obviously he didn't) doesn't mean he speaks for us all, especially the well trained experience growers who has master such technique.

I thin my moms because if I don't I'll just be cleaning out dead leaves outta the center of the hedge anyway so I may as well get them green for hash binder. If the flowers are to thick on the fruit trees we thin them out to ensure larger apples etc. It's an art...You have to know when and where. If you are growing one or two plants with lots of room, LST.

I am fairly new to growing but have noticed that lower growth is important - when it's not there, my yields suffer.

But I have also noticed that for the lower growth to stay green and healthy, I need a nice, strong, thick, stem... When a plant doesn't have a thick stem, I noticed that it seems to have a problem with nutrient uptake/delivery - thereby causing yellowing, defoliation, and low yields.

Am I right about this or is it all in my head? Also, how do I get those thick main trunks that I need?

Fresh 2 De@th said:

very well said.
it's obvious the op had no idea on how to truly defoliate and went about it the wrong way. i said it before and i'll say it again, defoliating works if you know what you're doing. someone stripping all the leaves off of a cola then posting results as if he knew what he was doing (which obviously he didn't) doesn't mean he speaks for us all, especially the well trained experience growers who has master such technique.

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Your quoting someone who posted a link which says in the "how to" of defoliating, REMOVE ALL FAN LEAVES.... also it was a buddy of mine who did it cause i would never have thats why i have 12 plant and only 2 are nakid... finally, where the fuck did i say i "knew" what i was doing considering i NEVER wanted to have them defoliated in the first place...

Always online tough guys... according to the link which was posted in this thread AND every other defoliating thread as to why it works. It says defoliating is to remove ALL fan leaves. Then wait period of time and remove ALL fan leaves again. So you guys figure out some definitions and what they mean because you guys taking afew leafs off here and there is called pruning. Alot of people will pluck a leaf or 2 every now and then. Also, alot of people cut lower growth off. Also, has a name. Called lollipoping.

ricky6991 said:

Your quoting someone who posted a link which says in the "how to" of defoliating, REMOVE ALL FAN LEAVES.... also it was a buddy of mine who did it cause i would never have thats why i have 12 plant and only 2 are nakid... finally, where the fuck did i say i "knew" what i was doing considering i NEVER wanted to have them defoliated in the first place...

Always online tough guys... according to the link which was posted in this thread AND every other defoliating thread as to why it works. It says defoliating is to remove ALL fan leaves. Then wait period of time and remove ALL fan leaves again. So you guys figure out some definitions and what they mean because you guys taking afew leafs off here and there is called pruning. Alot of people will pluck a leaf or 2 every now and then. Also, alot of people cut lower growth off. Also, has a name. Called lollipoping.

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Hey Ricky, I think we need to clarify something here..

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but in reality you (and your friend) defoliated ALL of your plants right?

My understanding is that your buddy did a major leaf stripping job on two plants, while you did a moderate defoliation of the rest. Is this correct?

I just want to make sure we aren't comparing plants with stripped leaves to plants with NO leaf removal. I think many posters in this thread are confused as to what actually happened in your grow room.

I'm basing my assumptions off this thread: https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/626372-friend-hardcore-defoliated-couple-plants.html

Thanks.

I can answer that for Ricky. All plants got defoliated...

It's like shaving your pubes to make your dick look bigger.

Username42 said:

I can answer that for Ricky. All plants got defoliated...

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That's what I thought, which makes this entire thread a misnomer.

Some people are just to fucking to stupid to realize they are being fooled. And what makes it so funny and them so ignorant is the fact they are fooling themsleves!!! What a bunch of dummies. Keep plucking them boys and I mean BOYS!