My First Hydroponic

Pavlin said:

I have facebook but moral support

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What do you mean but moral support?

woodsmaneh! wound me but you have to clone you can follow along with me to plantand tell me step by step what to do? I will for the first time.

how to become large plants and is there something different in looking to get readyfor cloning? When ready for cloning? How many clones out of a plant? How to clone?I have these and more questions about cloning.

Pavlin said:

how to become large plants and is there something different in looking to get readyfor cloning? When ready for cloning? How many clones out of a plant? How to clone?I have these and more questions about cloning.

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have to be patient ...and grow one of your plants big enough, to be able to take cuttings/clones from them.

I have patience, but how to become large and in the same way you have to watch them mothers clones? in the sense that a thing is in particular? a mother how can Iclone anyway?

Pavlin said:

I have patience, but how to become large and in the same way you have to watch them mothers clones? in the sense that a thing is in particular? a mother how can Iclone anyway?

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when it gets bigger (mom/female)... and has lots of branches, you will be able to cut off 3"-4" branches off as a new plant ( clone )... the bigger the Mom plant is the more cuttings you can take off of her.

Clearly. And are there any special demanding but mothers? Can I cut off after them tocontinue to watch them and pull them to harvest? My thought is to do 10 mothers and10 of these clones. Then continue to watch their mothers. How do you think?

That will work. What I do is cut the top off each mom for my next clone. 10 moms = 10 clones

lots of videos on you-tube for cloning may even be some in your language

mothers then can I continue to grow and make it yield? can I clone has blossomedplant?

You cut the clones from your plants before you put them into flower, Topping can increase your yield with most plants.

I have another in mind. I know of flowering plants make clones?

Pavlin said:

I have another in mind. I know of flowering plants make clones?

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Yes you can take clones from a flowering plant, bottom is best. It is harder and longer to grow them back, not many people do it. Much higher failure rate.

Ja du kan ta trussel fra en sine anlegg, bunnen er best. Det er vanskeligere og lengre å vokse dem tilbake, ikke mange folk gjøre det. mye høyere svikten.

Pavlin said:

least of my children who are in soil and 25 days in blossoms.starting today bloombastic will see the difference after 7 days one of them has whitespots? what you may have?

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Looks like powdery mildew I use milk and water, you need to keep a fan blowing gently over the tops of the pots 24/7, high humidity and cool temps cause it.

Linda Chalker-Scott, Ph.D., Extension Urban Horticulturist and Associate Professor,
Puyallup Research and Extension Center, Washington State University


The Myth of Milk and Roses:


"Milk sprayed onto rose leaves will prevent fungal and bacterial diseases"


The Myth


In the last few years, the Internet has been abuzz with the news that spraying milk on rose leaves can
control foliar diseases. The web stories most often cite a Brazilian study published in 1999 focusing on
powdery mildew control on zucchini. This new alternative to conventional fungicides has been
augmented with anecdotal reports of successful powdery mildew control on a variety of plants, including
roses. Moreover, the treatment is also touted as preventing leaf black spot, thus giving hope to rose
aficionados everywhere of a safe, effective method of growing disease-free specimens.


The Reality


Milk has been part of the horticultural toolbox for many decades; for instance, it has been used with
varying effectiveness as a spreader or sticker in pesticide applications. Perhaps the best-documented use
of milk has been in reducing the transmission of leaf viruses, especially tobacco mosaic and other mosaic
viruses. Studies over the last half of the 20th century document the effectiveness of milk used for this
purpose (Table 1):


Table 1: Effectiveness of milk products in protecting leaves from viruses:


Location Year Crop Milk product Conditions Effective?
Australia 1967 Sugarcane Evaporated Field Somewhat
Brazil 2001 Zucchini Raw + leaf extract Field Yes
Brit. Col. 1964 Tomato Unknown Unknown Yes
Florida 2004 Hibiscus Non-fat dry Field Yes
Germany 1971 Spinach Full cream Greenhouse Yes
Beans Full cream Greenhouse Yes
Beets Full cream Greenhouse Yes
Celery Full cream Greenhouse Yes
Pea Full cream Greenhouse Yes
Potato Full cream Greenhouse No
Hawaii 1994 Orchid Nonfat Laboratory No
India 2003 Sunflower Nonfat Field Somewhat
Manitoba 1959 Barley Nonfat Field Yes
New Zealand 1943 Tobacco Unknown Field Yes
Quebec 1968 Tomato Unknown Unknown Yes
Russia 1961 Tobacco Whey Laboratory Somewhat
Taiwan 1991 Pepper Nonfat Field No


The effectiveness of milk sprays in reducing virus transmission probably improves with the concentration
of the milk product used; milk concentrations of 20% nonfat dry or 30% fresh were reported as effective
in the Florida and Brazil studies, respectively. Milk is routinely recommended as an organic hand
sanitizer when handling virus-susceptible seedlings for transplant.



How milk functions as an antiviral agent is not clear but there are a few attractive hypotheses. First, milk
may deactivate viruses chemically or isolate them physically; hence the success of milk as a sterilizing
treatment. Second, milk may prevent aphid attack, and thus transmission, of aphid-borne viruses.
Aphids may be deterred by the milk film on the leaf or attacked by aphid pathogens whose growth is
enhanced by milk sprays; a 2003 study identified just such a fungal agent on treated pepper leaves.


Recently, milk has made an appearance as an antifungal agent, specifically in powdery mildew prevention
(Table 2). [Note that there have been no published scientific studies investigating roses or any other
ornamental plant species.]


Table 2: Effectiveness of milk products in protecting leaves from powdery mildew:


Location Year Crop Milk Conditions Effective?


Australia 2000 Melon Full & half Field Somewhat
Brazil 2005 Pumpkin Raw Field Yes


Pumpkin Pasteurized Field Yes
Brazil 1999 Zucchini Fresh Greenhouse Yes
Italy 2003 Cucurbits Unknown Field Inconclusive
Italy 2002 Cucurbits Fresh Greenhouse Yes


Cucurbits Dried Greenhouse Yes


Cucurbits Fresh Field
Yes/No


Cucurbits Dried Field Yes/No
UK 2003 Wheat Pasteurized Greenhouse Yes


The results of these studies suggest that milk treatment under controlled (greenhouse) conditions is more
successful than in the field. None of these studies utilized nonfat milk, so it’s unclear whether it would
show any efficacy. In general, it appears that milk applied before fungal inoculation is more effective
than milk applied after infection is present. Stems and lower leaf surfaces may be less protected,
especially under high disease incidence.


This last point is important when considering the value of anecdotal claims of the effectiveness of milk or
any other pesticidal treatment. Unless plant material is actually challenged (exposed to) the disease or
pest of interest, it is impossible to attribute the subsequent lack of disease or pests to that treatment.
Statements such as “Last year I had horrible black spot problems, but this year I used milk spray and my
roses are disease-free” display faulty logic in the assumption of cause and effect where none may actually
exist.


There are a few potential drawbacks to using milk as a foliar spray:


•
Milk-fat can produce unpleasant odors as it breaks down.
•
The benign fungal organisms that colonize leaves and break down milk can be aesthetically
unattractive.
•
Dried skim milk has been reported to induce black rot, soft rot, and Alternaria leaf spot on treated
cruciferous crops.
Is it worth trying milk as a treatment for viruses, powdery mildew, or any other disease? Absolutely!
There is substantial evidence that milk treatments can be effective in the protection of some crops, and
organic farmers especially might benefit from this method. But on which plant species will milk
treatment prevent disease? What pathogens are actually inhibited by milk products, and which milk



products are the most effective? Until these questions have been answered, it will be impossible to devise
a reliable application protocol.


The Bottom Line


•
There is no evidence that milk sprays are effective in controlling black spot on roses or any other
ornamental plant species.
•
Milk sprayed onto leaves may act as a nutrient source for benign microorganisms, decreasing the
leaf area available for powdery mildew to infect.
•
Leaves coated with a milk spray may be less vulnerable to aphid attack, thereby reducing the
transmission of aphid-borne viruses.
•
Milk sprays can encourage the growth of other microorganisms, whose presence may be
aesthetically unappealing.
•
Milk sprays may be a viable alternative to conventional pesticides, especially for organic farmers.
For more information, please visit Dr. Chalker-Scott’s web page at http://www.theinformedgardener.com.

woodsmaneh! said:

You will have the plants so you should try cloning. Just before you switch to flower top all the plants at between the second and third joint. By the time you are done flowering you have plants ready to go.

Easy cloning
This is what I do, why I do it, and how.
What you need
Sharp small scissors I use Frisker’s and get them from Hommer depot. They last me for years but all I use them for is clowning. I clean them with an alcohol swab before using. They stay sharp and have great control. I always put the cover back on and clean them before putting them away.
16 oz. translucent beer cups, I use the translucent ones because they allow me to see if they are watered enough and the development of the root system. I use a small pocket knife to poke 2 holes one on each side. Stick the knife in a ¼ inch and give it a small twist. Holes plug slots almost never. This is for drainage.
Rooting gel, get some good stuff, if in a jam get powder. This provides the boost to get them going.
Seed starter soil; make sure it’s SEED STARTER SOIL. Buy the best you can afford. I use MG and it works great for starting them.
Get your stuff together, fill cups to the top with SEED STARTER SOIL set them in the trays and water with 6.5 ph water. If using chlorinated water put some in a pail for 2 hours. It will off gas by then. Water the cups, here is when you will see the magic of the cups being translucent. So there all wet now you cut.
You best bet is to make sure you have a node to stick in the dirt. So cut below the 3 node just above the 4 one. Clip leaves off the 3erd node and pull the clone through your thumb and finger (make a O with them) as you pull it through gently squeeze your thumb over the finger to close the O and trap the clone tips just above your finger. Now cut the tips off, stick in gel/powder and stick it in the cups as far as you can but leave the leaves above the top of the cup.
Water when you see the colour of the dirt change, the magic of the cups. Hope this helps.
I get 98% success this way. No dome just under the lights.

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Have you ever made a you tube video of how you do it and ur set up? Every one all ways does stuff diffrent,and if you get 98% with no dome that is real good. Might save me the trouble of getting a cloner

Thank you woodsmaneh! Will not clone from a flowering of the other who will be inhydroponics. How long do you think the plants will be ready for me to cut them? andafter the cut to go the same way to grow them?

Do you think it is nice to cut all the leaves of plants? because you can not get light to all chapters.

Pavlin said:

Do you think it is nice to cut all the leaves of plants? because you can not get light to all chapters.

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I think your asking is it ok to cut away leaves on the plant because light is not penetrating your plant. The answer to that is yes. If there are a few branches that you could take off that would open up the plant so more light can penetrate then definitely do it. Just make sure not to take off any main branches. My best advice is just use common sense when picking what branch you are going to cut off.

I agree ^^ just din't go crazy.

Pavlin said:

I have another in mind. I know of flowering plants make clones?

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Here is a video on cloning. Although I would take my clones from a bigger mother plant, and I wouldn't just take the top because the failure rate for tops are higher then bottoms. So I would take 1 top but multiple bottom clones. And whatever top clones do survive they will become very big strong plants. And then you have your smaller lower branch clones.

This video was the best one I found when looking. Can't believe I couldn't find a better video but oh well. I didn't search for hours though. But here check it out.

[video=youtube;nfxHrcpTbOU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfxHrcpTbOU&feature=related[/video]

woodsmaneh! said:

I agree ^^ just din't go crazy.

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Yeah I probably shouldn't of added that. Just make sure you only cut away whats needed and NOTHING MORE.

I will be doing a post about cloning eventually on my blog. I can't say when but I will eventually get to it. I have so much to write about so I will save that for when I am having writers block. Today I got the go ahead to feature Urban Grower on my blog. Very happy. So I made a new post and I have a video of his in it.

If anyone wants to check it out you can find my blog here: http://Cannabis-Country.blogspot.com