Thanks morp,yeah Ive been waiting until the leaves are dead or 50%dead to remove them,have jorge cervantes medical marijuana growers bible,and he preaches in several chapters not to disturb the fan leaves until they are dead or 50% dead,and since i lst'd almost all the shoots are grown out there are a couple stragglers that are under the canopy but they are doing ok,thanks for your input though,and I welcome anybody elses input or constructive criticism...hope everyone is having a good weekend