ttystikk
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I knows that feeling!
My First Vert
- Thread starter JDMase
- Start date
Tangie 3 weeks and 4 days.
Pineapple Express 3 weeks exactly.
My tangie air layer clone died but my Pineapple Express clones are both in their 6" hugo blocks for around 5 days now. Have germinated some more seeds.
Afghan Kush Ryder auto
Skywalker kush
Sapphire OG
Sage n Sour
grapefruit krush (gotta try it again - chopping the failed one tonight)
Pineapple Express 3 weeks exactly.
My tangie air layer clone died but my Pineapple Express clones are both in their 6" hugo blocks for around 5 days now. Have germinated some more seeds.
Afghan Kush Ryder auto
Skywalker kush
Sapphire OG
Sage n Sour
grapefruit krush (gotta try it again - chopping the failed one tonight)
Yes! I left them for 4 days whilst I went abroad for a friends wedding to Europe. I asked a trusted friend to water them but he managed one watering on Friday, came round Sunday and couldn't get the PH right so left it, so they went 2 days without water but im not thinking that's a bad thing at this point they look absolutely fine.
Wondering what supplements to use this grow. I think I like bud candy which I used samples of. Im looking into the canna line of additives but I haven't got a clue what the "best" ones are. Any info guys?
coreywebster
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Canna is simple. 2 part base A+B. PK 13/14 mid flower, rhizo for roots and stress(optional) cannazym for dead root matter (optional)
Canna Boost for carbs and fulvic/amino and some other magic shit . (expensive)
Edit, by magic shit I mean things they don't tell you.
gr865
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I agree totally, love them nutes.
Rates are not written in stone, remember Less is More!
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This is only £80 more than the CMH 315w maxibright kit I was going to get.. Anyone know the pros and cons versus it?
This is only £80 more than the CMH 315w maxibright kit I was going to get.. Anyone know the pros and cons versus it?
My friend uses canna and I wanted to use the kiss method when I started so I went with GH.. Now that im feeling more confident im wondering whether I should use canna or house and garden. Pretty similar apparently. Ideally I want to end up mixing my own dry nutes using the guide on here but I'll save that for a future project.
Ive seen a company called vitalink that do fulvic and amino bottles fairly cheap.. £12 a bottle or something, I like that the bottles actually say what they are rather than a gimmicky name.
Also know that aminos you can get from Holland & barratt so I dont think Id splash out for those unless the Magic stuff is actual magic haha. I want to knock the socks off this next grow though so I don't mind splashing out on the whole line up if it's worth it. Don't wanna be that guy that the hydro shop owner rubs his hands together for though haha.
Went down to the local hydro shop, blokes really nice and doesn't ever try and push sales. Thing is I wanted some additions to my feed schedules but he is of the opinion that more is more to go wrong and to keep it simple. And I think that's good advice.
I want a cheaper alternative to hydroguard though, it's like £15 for a small bottle and I use it every feed and it is quite expensive. Surely there's something else out there cheaper?
He recommended hydrotops, anyone used it? Reviews online aren't great.
My friend said canna and people here have suggested canna and house and garden.
What do you guys recommend as good additions to base nutrients? Must haves that you can't do without.
At the moment im using floranova base nutes, hydroguard and bud candy. I did use bud factor X And big bud but I didn't see much improvement in my plants but maybe I was too late. The bud candy definitely improves smells thought, Im in week three now.
Looked at floranovas stuff but I don't think my guy stocks it. He has plant Magic and canna And some other stuff I didn't get round to looking at (cyco and hydrotops I think)
I want a cheaper alternative to hydroguard though, it's like £15 for a small bottle and I use it every feed and it is quite expensive. Surely there's something else out there cheaper?
He recommended hydrotops, anyone used it? Reviews online aren't great.
My friend said canna and people here have suggested canna and house and garden.
What do you guys recommend as good additions to base nutrients? Must haves that you can't do without.
At the moment im using floranova base nutes, hydroguard and bud candy. I did use bud factor X And big bud but I didn't see much improvement in my plants but maybe I was too late. The bud candy definitely improves smells thought, Im in week three now.
Looked at floranovas stuff but I don't think my guy stocks it. He has plant Magic and canna And some other stuff I didn't get round to looking at (cyco and hydrotops I think)
ttystikk
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The more you learn about nutrients, the you'll save;
Bud Factor X is just epsom salt.
coreywebster
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I don't think there's much that works wonders. Your hydro guy is right and its nice to hear him say to keep things simple.
I think you can just go with canna base nutes and a PK booster. . Foliar spray amino acids and kelp in veg? A bit of simple magnesium sulphate? Some silica to keep the plant strong and more resistant.
I am giving buddas tree pk 18/19 a try instead of the usual canna pk 13/14. Doing so because my canna nutes are for both veg and flower, same two bottles all the way through. I want to give less N and more PK in flower, so cutting the base dose down but using a higher PK and earlier than the week 5 which is suggested for PK 13/14. Gona see if I can see a difference. I have cut the boost out, adding some refined molasses cane to feed the microbes.
You have had some serious issue this grow, until they are eliminated no products are going to make much of a difference and I don't think there's massive differences to be seen even in a perfect situation. Maintaining a healthy plant and ideal environment seems to be the best way to increase potency and yield.
I think you can just go with canna base nutes and a PK booster. . Foliar spray amino acids and kelp in veg? A bit of simple magnesium sulphate? Some silica to keep the plant strong and more resistant.
I am giving buddas tree pk 18/19 a try instead of the usual canna pk 13/14. Doing so because my canna nutes are for both veg and flower, same two bottles all the way through. I want to give less N and more PK in flower, so cutting the base dose down but using a higher PK and earlier than the week 5 which is suggested for PK 13/14. Gona see if I can see a difference. I have cut the boost out, adding some refined molasses cane to feed the microbes.
You have had some serious issue this grow, until they are eliminated no products are going to make much of a difference and I don't think there's massive differences to be seen even in a perfect situation. Maintaining a healthy plant and ideal environment seems to be the best way to increase potency and yield.
The issues I had were down to me reading the potassium silicate leaflet wrong.. 1ml per 10 litres is the recommended dose I was chucking in 1ml per 1 litre... Oops. Everything has been fine since I just removed that.. Im dubious of using it again but im sure I'll rmeember the correct doses.I don't think there's much that works wonders. Your hydro guy is right and its nice to hear him say to keep things simple.
I think you can just go with canna base nutes and a PK booster. . Foliar spray amino acids and kelp in veg? A bit of simple magnesium sulphate? Some silica to keep the plant strong and more resistant.
I am giving buddas tree pk 18/19 a try instead of the usual canna pk 13/14. Doing so because my canna nutes are for both veg and flower, same two bottles all the way through. I want to give less N and more PK in flower, so cutting the base dose down but using a higher PK and earlier than the week 5 which is suggested for PK 13/14. Gona see if I can see a difference. I have cut the boost out, adding some refined molasses cane to feed the microbes.
You have had some serious issue this grow, until they are eliminated no products are going to make much of a difference and I don't think there's massive differences to be seen even in a perfect situation. Maintaining a healthy plant and ideal environment seems to be the best way to increase potency and yield.
So I could buy Epsom salts, amino acids from the health store and im sure I can find seaweed/kelp extract there too cheaply?
Is anything else like boosts and stuff just PK boosters? I know my autos did yield me really well with just base nutrients but I really want this photoperiod grow to kick ass and my only IRL friend uses the whole canna line and gets 4.5oz + per plant consistently.
I got more per plant with my dark devil auto grow just using 600w HPS and floranova bloom throughout but I guess that was a fluke haha.
Thanks for your help guys, love this forum
@coreywebster i used molasses on my aforementioned auto grow and I thought it did great. I never used bennies or anything. My hydro guy said using straight molasses doesn't do anything. What're your thoughts? What do you use for microbes also?
Also I have no ideal on foliar sprays, but I know they're good for rapid nutrient uptake. Any recommendations on that? Thanks mate
Also I have no ideal on foliar sprays, but I know they're good for rapid nutrient uptake. Any recommendations on that? Thanks mate
Jypsy Dog
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1000x more concentrated than Hydroguard. I use it in "Drops" not Ml. https://southernag.com/residential-products/garden-friendly-fungcde-12x1-pt/
coreywebster
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I believe the only benefit for molasses is just to feed the microbes. I used to use straight molasses when I first started and found it seemed to bung up my coco, so when I decided to use microbes I added the refined cane molasses because it dissolves better.
The microbes are just what I bought from the NPK guys, bloom microbes.
As for foliar feeding, its quick to act, doesn't effect your medium or result in build up. Kelp is great for foliar, many people find it really helps the overall health and resistance of the plant, it really is the closest thing to a magic product I have seen. I use wilkos own brand BTW. Silica is another great for foliar, if your using it that way it cant drop out of your nutrient mix. Its one of those things that plants normally have abundance of in nature but in bottled nutes it gets left out due to it precipitating.
Yeah if you can pick up amino acids from the health store then go for it, Epsom salts can be picked up in a chemist or super market but you can get huge amounts for a few quid on ebay.
I have friends who run just base nutes and do as well as I do. Mine always tastes better, but I believe that's in the drying and cure.
I have another friend who uses just tomato feed and thousands of watts of hps concentrated over a small area. He does really well.
All those issues you had and it was all down to the misinterpretation of the label, oh man, that's a real bummer. At least you know now.. Its like they say, less is more. So glad you have it figured out though. Its going to be awesome seeing things go the way they should from now on. You deserve an easy run this time man.
Wow so lawns and other plants must be way more sensitive than cannabis if you use in drops per gallon? It says spray solution so is it a foliar or a root innoculant? I use hydroguard in the nutrient feed, hope im not using it incorrectly. Got me doubting myself now! Haha!
Yeah I used black strap molasses. The hydro guy told me that in Rockwool I should add coco (be easier if I was still using the rockwool croutons) because coco holds microbes and gives them a "place to live". I guess I could in theory do that, but im sure microbes work in rockwool? I dunno.I believe the only benefit for molasses is just to feed the microbes. I used to use straight molasses when I first started and found it seemed to bung up my coco, so when I decided to use microbes I added the refined cane molasses because it dissolves better.
The microbes are just what I bought from the NPK guys, bloom microbes.
As for foliar feeding, its quick to act, doesn't effect your medium or result in build up. Kelp is great for foliar, many people find it really helps the overall health and resistance of the plant, it really is the closest thing to a magic product I have seen. I use wilkos own brand BTW. Silica is another great for foliar, if your using it that way it cant drop out of your nutrient mix. Its one of those things that plants normally have abundance of in nature but in bottled nutes it gets left out due to it precipitating.
Yeah if you can pick up amino acids from the health store then go for it, Epsom salts can be picked up in a chemist or super market but you can get huge amounts for a few quid on ebay.
I have friends who run just base nutes and do as well as I do. Mine always tastes better, but I believe that's in the drying and cure.
I have another friend who uses just tomato feed and thousands of watts of hps concentrated over a small area. He does really well.
All those issues you had and it was all down to the misinterpretation of the label, oh man, that's a real bummer. At least you know now.. Its like they say, less is more. So glad you have it figured out though. Its going to be awesome seeing things go the way they should from now on. You deserve an easy run this time man.
So maybe I could foliar seaweed one day, Epsom salts the next, and potassium silicate, and so on?
Aminos added to the nutrient mix? Every water?
Haha yeah I know I for some reason treated it like a ph-up as someone on here wrote that's what they did. Id of figured it out sooner if I could find a good picture or definition of potassium tox but surprisingly I couldn't find anything that good online.
Thanks man! Ive ordered a 2nd maxibright CMH, they sound cheap at wholesale as the guy in the shop didn't wanna give me an exact price just asked what they sold for online and he seemed happy to give me 20 quid off the eBay ad of 220.
Can't wait either man!