Yeah I calibrated it a few weeks ago after not doing it for months and it was .1+.
Tap PH is 7.4!
My First Vert
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Tap PH is 7.4!
I pulled apart the Rockwool cube that the candy kush was in, the roots had stretched all the way to the bottom and cumulated there, there was almost no roots throughout the cube really, little to no air pruning had occurred as the cube was sat on the tray and not raised. When I did pull it apart it smelt a bit like rot but the majority of the roots were white.
Still got some way to go to iron out my issues.
Still got some way to go to iron out my issues.
coreywebster
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Wet rockwool does smell a bit odd, if the roots are white then at least your good with those. I'm sure you will get this sorted next time. Do you use the lucas formula?
i did with my autos yeah with this grow its kind of all been an experiment. Im considering switching to canna next grow though.
gr865
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I think you will love it, remember that "Less is More". You don't need a lot of nutes in Canna coco, so start low and build on that.
GR
Do you think so? The guy at the hydro shop said canna invested a lot of R&D into their nutes and were who he recommended. Can buy the whole line up for £80. Ive heard a lot of the products are snake oils though.
I think ive got the best out of floranova that I can.
gr865
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I am not saying Canna line is bad, I use it all, but some things just not at the recommended rates. They have been easy to work with for me.
GR
coreywebster
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Canna's advantage for any of us in Europe is its deigned to be used with tap water. I run canna coco and I love it. I can feed fairly high doses too without issue. The main part of the system is the A+B and its really not dear price wise.
Where it is a bit expensive is the boost, but you dont have to go crazy with that. The PK booster is cheap and lasts forever, the rhyzo is expensive but I only run a small amount of that when I transplant and early veg, If I run out I dont worry about it and more often than not slap in some kelp instead of the rhyzo, cannazym is good for me because I recycle the coco but its not needed, still its not expensive.
Overall its a simple nutrient system and for what you get out the cost isn't an issue.
Where it is a bit expensive is the boost, but you dont have to go crazy with that. The PK booster is cheap and lasts forever, the rhyzo is expensive but I only run a small amount of that when I transplant and early veg, If I run out I dont worry about it and more often than not slap in some kelp instead of the rhyzo, cannazym is good for me because I recycle the coco but its not needed, still its not expensive.
Overall its a simple nutrient system and for what you get out the cost isn't an issue.
Yeah man I was considering mixing my own nutes and checked out that thread on here reverse engineering nutes. How did you get on mixing your own rhyzo I think it was?
Other than that jacks JR peters or whatever is meant to be good. I know of somebody round here who mixed dry nutes up according to their tap water I would really love to do that.
Just got back from seein Russell brand live so funny. Had some edibles before haha. Was a good show.
coreywebster
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I never did get round to mixing my own mate, mainly because I started using kelp in veg, which seems to offer much of the same benefits, such as increasing roots, vitamins , de stressing and a chunk of micro nutrients.
I just bought myself some RAW nutrient supplements after watching all the Harley Smith vids on youtube, which even though they are trying to sell a product are very educational at a base level. I picked up some yukka as a wetting agent, due to my coco been years old, some amino acids, humic acid and some microbes for flower.
Just wanted to try them out and get those chemical reactions increasing within the plant. One thing I noticed about their products is the feeding schedule, they increase P a lot in the first half in flower and then drop that right down in the second half while increasing the K. Which made me think about the canna line and any other line which has a PK booster like PK 13/14. Just seems that having both in increased amounts at the same time may not be as good as having the different ratio. Although I have to assume that the canna boost must contain a fair amount of P or the plants would be showing a deficiency early flower because you don't use the PK till later in flower. I have decided to add the PK earlier at the same time reduce the A and B to see how that works, still staying around the same E.C. Canna coco is NPK 5-4-3 which seems a lot of N for later in flower, not that ive ever seen N tox or close to it.
I may yet buy the RAW bloom powder and the P and K separately and try a run in flower with that to see how that works in comparison. All in a way to get one step closer to mixing my own salts, which I would love to do one day. Obviously I wouldn't buy RAW once mixing my own.
Ah Russell brand ey.. Nice one. Don't see him on TV much these days.
I just bought myself some RAW nutrient supplements after watching all the Harley Smith vids on youtube, which even though they are trying to sell a product are very educational at a base level. I picked up some yukka as a wetting agent, due to my coco been years old, some amino acids, humic acid and some microbes for flower.
Just wanted to try them out and get those chemical reactions increasing within the plant. One thing I noticed about their products is the feeding schedule, they increase P a lot in the first half in flower and then drop that right down in the second half while increasing the K. Which made me think about the canna line and any other line which has a PK booster like PK 13/14. Just seems that having both in increased amounts at the same time may not be as good as having the different ratio. Although I have to assume that the canna boost must contain a fair amount of P or the plants would be showing a deficiency early flower because you don't use the PK till later in flower. I have decided to add the PK earlier at the same time reduce the A and B to see how that works, still staying around the same E.C. Canna coco is NPK 5-4-3 which seems a lot of N for later in flower, not that ive ever seen N tox or close to it.
I may yet buy the RAW bloom powder and the P and K separately and try a run in flower with that to see how that works in comparison. All in a way to get one step closer to mixing my own salts, which I would love to do one day. Obviously I wouldn't buy RAW once mixing my own.
Ah Russell brand ey.. Nice one. Don't see him on TV much these days.
What kelp do you use? I might give it a go for mine.
Oh nice yeah ive seen those advertised, they worth it? Don't bottled nutes have those in anyway?
Yeah that would be sweet I would be interested to see how that turns out. I want to mix my own but finding ingredients online has been a pain. Just comes up with unrelated stuff or that raw stuff. Got any links to suppliers by any chance?
I was probably gonna follow the reverse engineer nuteients thread and try out some of those recipes.
Yeah man he was hilarious he said at the beginning "the worst thing to do if you're in the media, is slag off the media, which is exactly what I done - so now I'm here because ive got a baby and I need the money" was brilliant haha.
ttystikk
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Keep it dark and moist and that's gonna pop roots any day.
I hope so!
coreywebster
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Very likely that bottled nutrients do contain most of those products, I wanted to add more, especially the humic acid to use along side the kelp. May or may not make a difference. I was ordering Yukka anyway and got a bit carried away.
For kelp I was using Shropshire sea weed but when I ran out I just picked up a bottle from wilko for £5. Their own brand.
It looks as you would expect, the Shropshire stuff looked more like piss but is apparently refined in a different way.
I had a brief look for base salts earlier after a revisit to the reverse engineering thread, came across this site. http://www.yara.co.uk/crop-nutrition/fertiliser/
I was looking through some of their range and they do various ready to dissolve whole mixes and individual salts, they will also tweak certain mixes too. Will have to find out the prices. They seem to sell massive sacks of the stuff so I imagine its cheap as chips.
I'm sure there are plenty more places to get them, I just googled agricultural fertilisers.
I will have to revisit open salts, last time I looked I couldn't find his site.
These guys seem to have most soluble salts but I'm not sure if the prices are competitive
http://www.gardendirect.co.uk/PotassiumNitrate
Not checked all the links but might be some useful ones on here
http://www.grow.co.uk/horticulture/fertilisers.htm
https://mistralni.co.uk/collections/powders/products/potassium-sulphate
For kelp I was using Shropshire sea weed but when I ran out I just picked up a bottle from wilko for £5. Their own brand.
It looks as you would expect, the Shropshire stuff looked more like piss but is apparently refined in a different way.
I had a brief look for base salts earlier after a revisit to the reverse engineering thread, came across this site. http://www.yara.co.uk/crop-nutrition/fertiliser/
I was looking through some of their range and they do various ready to dissolve whole mixes and individual salts, they will also tweak certain mixes too. Will have to find out the prices. They seem to sell massive sacks of the stuff so I imagine its cheap as chips.
I'm sure there are plenty more places to get them, I just googled agricultural fertilisers.
I will have to revisit open salts, last time I looked I couldn't find his site.
These guys seem to have most soluble salts but I'm not sure if the prices are competitive
http://www.gardendirect.co.uk/PotassiumNitrate
Not checked all the links but might be some useful ones on here
http://www.grow.co.uk/horticulture/fertilisers.htm
https://mistralni.co.uk/collections/powders/products/potassium-sulphate
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Sorry for the blurry pic I wanted to take it quickly just after lights off. This is Kings kush.
This is black dog.
What do you guys think of the bud development? It's been a while since I have done photos and I feel my autos were much bigger at this stage, in around the week 5 territory now.
I can't help but feel me going easy on the nutes has played a part. Ive upped to 750 ppm this week. Roughly 300 ppm tap water.
Updates in a couple hours. Some bud candy, big bud and bud factor X on the way by advanced nutrients. May be a bit late for these but ive got the grapefruit progressing now, albeit with the same looking def as the Kings kush minus the leaf curling inwards. Im thinking its a potassium def but ive been using potassium silicate as I thought that would help?
Gonna try a foliar of it tonight and just mix up a fresh batch of floranova bloom only.
They had a leach yesterday as I read the schedule on GH website and it recommends Every 1-3 days run fresh water through the medium. Didn't realise that! Oops.
http://gh.growgh.com/docs/Feedcharts/GH_FloraNova-DTW_03216am.pdf
Gonna try a foliar of it tonight and just mix up a fresh batch of floranova bloom only.
They had a leach yesterday as I read the schedule on GH website and it recommends Every 1-3 days run fresh water through the medium. Didn't realise that! Oops.
http://gh.growgh.com/docs/Feedcharts/GH_FloraNova-DTW_03216am.pdf
coreywebster
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JD I was in wilkos earlier and found they sell potassium sulphate for about £5 per 1.5kg
Looking forward to seeing the bud porn later.
Looking forward to seeing the bud porn later.
ttystikk
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You know Bud Factor X is just epsom salts, right?
Glad I just bought 30ml sample then haha. Thanks for the heads up.