jondamon
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@MidnightSun72 info about drip irrigation.
My first whole room SCRoG
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MidnightSun72
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What a great post. Thank you. Just a note an adding a pump for mixing. Ohhh wanna put that on a timer to just run a few mins before feeding. Because if it runs 24/7 mixing it will heat the res water a lot more than mixing say just before use or every few hours etc.
how did you punch your holes?
jondamon
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I used this
but also found that it mainly just sliced the flexi pipe and didn’t create a hole really.
Then I used a 4mm drill bit and drilled the flexi pipe where this punch tool had been and then cut off any excess to make sure I could see a hole in the flexi pipe.
So long story short use a drill bit and scalpel to make holes.
jondamon
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All setup.
I have manually watered them tonight for a single feed.
it has all been tested etc to make sure it drips but I haven’t timed the feed to see if it drips enough at what flow rate (slider adjuster on pump) in 15mins.
Once I know this I can then set it up run twice a day for 15mins each time.
day 41 of 12/12.
Couple of quick pics.
EC 0.9
pH6.0
I have manually watered them tonight for a single feed.
it has all been tested etc to make sure it drips but I haven’t timed the feed to see if it drips enough at what flow rate (slider adjuster on pump) in 15mins.
Once I know this I can then set it up run twice a day for 15mins each time.
day 41 of 12/12.
Couple of quick pics.
EC 0.9
pH6.0
jondamon
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Day 42 of 12/12.
EC0.9 pH6.0
full flow rate took 6mins to begin getting runoff.
tomorrow evening I will lower the flow rate to make it closer to 15mins.
I’m thinking I’ll go to half on the slider and time it (that’s assuming that half flow rate is enough power to pump it to the rings).
if this is an issue I will buy a digital timer and program it for full flow rate and on for 6-8mins each feed.
enjoy.
EC0.9 pH6.0
full flow rate took 6mins to begin getting runoff.
tomorrow evening I will lower the flow rate to make it closer to 15mins.
I’m thinking I’ll go to half on the slider and time it (that’s assuming that half flow rate is enough power to pump it to the rings).
if this is an issue I will buy a digital timer and program it for full flow rate and on for 6-8mins each feed.
enjoy.
jondamon
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@MidnightSun72 info above.
MidnightSun72
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Hey is the 15 minutes for all grow medium to properly soak everything up? And will you be timing it to go to run off each time and space the watering time out a day or two apart? Or water everyday and also go to runoff?
jondamon
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I am doing this to be able to feed twice a day.
I am planning on feeding 1 hour after light switch on.
then again around 6 hours later.
ideally to run for 1x15min segment on a normal segmental timer each feed.
Each feed will be until runoff.
jondamon
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Rather than my normal 2L jug for catching runoff I have a 15L (approx) sink bowl that sits under my runoff holes on my drip trays.
my drip trays are elevated off the ground to allow easy catchment of the runoff.
@MidnightSun72
my drip trays are elevated off the ground to allow easy catchment of the runoff.
@MidnightSun72
jondamon
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Half the flow rate took 8 mins to begin runoff.
tomorrow evening I will try lowest flow rate.
I’m beginning to think though that the holes in my rings are just too big.
so I’ve made another 2 rings in anticipation.
but I haven’t pierced them yet until I try lowest flow rate setting on the Hx-1500.
If I have to use the different rings I will begin with 3 holes on each ring and just pierce the flexi pipe and see if it drips.
Another alternative could be 2x4L/H drippers per ring or buy the PLANT IT drip rings. Lol.
Until tomorrow that’s all folks.
tomorrow evening I will try lowest flow rate.
I’m beginning to think though that the holes in my rings are just too big.
so I’ve made another 2 rings in anticipation.
but I haven’t pierced them yet until I try lowest flow rate setting on the Hx-1500.
If I have to use the different rings I will begin with 3 holes on each ring and just pierce the flexi pipe and see if it drips.
Another alternative could be 2x4L/H drippers per ring or buy the PLANT IT drip rings. Lol.
Until tomorrow that’s all folks.
jondamon
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After last nights testing.
ok so lowest flow rate didn’t have enough pressure for some reason to reach both drip rings.
so I adjusted slightly before half way.
then began timing.
15m 47s to achieve runoff out of both plants.
however runoff was greater from the plant positioned on the left in my pics.
tonight I’m going to flip the rings so that the ring to the left plant is then on the right plant.
hoping that this will even out the flow through the rings.
so I’m almost there as far as testing is concerned. The pump I believe is now at the correct flow rate!
the runoff I need to empty tonight to check its volume to make sure that :-
A) it’s enough runoff (aiming for 4L of runoff total)
B) that the runoff catch bowl will hold enough runoff for 2 feeds before it needs emptying.
If these 2 points are not met then I will make new rings for the plants with less holes in them.
just wanted to update you guys and girls with the information ive found so far with running this.
I’m currently at day 45 of possibly +70 days flowering so still time to get this working before I finish flowering and worth it so that I know what I’m doing next time lol.
@MidnightSun72 for info.
ok so lowest flow rate didn’t have enough pressure for some reason to reach both drip rings.
so I adjusted slightly before half way.
then began timing.
15m 47s to achieve runoff out of both plants.
however runoff was greater from the plant positioned on the left in my pics.
tonight I’m going to flip the rings so that the ring to the left plant is then on the right plant.
hoping that this will even out the flow through the rings.
so I’m almost there as far as testing is concerned. The pump I believe is now at the correct flow rate!
the runoff I need to empty tonight to check its volume to make sure that :-
A) it’s enough runoff (aiming for 4L of runoff total)
B) that the runoff catch bowl will hold enough runoff for 2 feeds before it needs emptying.
If these 2 points are not met then I will make new rings for the plants with less holes in them.
just wanted to update you guys and girls with the information ive found so far with running this.
I’m currently at day 45 of possibly +70 days flowering so still time to get this working before I finish flowering and worth it so that I know what I’m doing next time lol.
@MidnightSun72 for info.
Great grow buddy. But I wouldn't call that a scrog, more of a skeletal support net. It's basically a lollipop with support.
You have probably realised by now how much growth you've wasted on the bottom by trimming. Now imagine you utilised it all? Wouldn't that save a bit of veg time?
The lower the scrog net is to the medium, the less wasteage. Also as you have probably already experienced, as you move the branches further out the net, you're also lowering a lot too at the same time.
Not hating as every grow is a good grow.
You have probably realised by now how much growth you've wasted on the bottom by trimming. Now imagine you utilised it all? Wouldn't that save a bit of veg time?
The lower the scrog net is to the medium, the less wasteage. Also as you have probably already experienced, as you move the branches further out the net, you're also lowering a lot too at the same time.
Not hating as every grow is a good grow.
jondamon
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I take it you’re talking from experience?
feel free to share pics of your own scrog for information in here.
I allowed the plants to grow up to the screen and then began weaving the plants in and out of the scrog to spread them out evenly.
did I fill the screen - NO did I switch a little early based on the spreading of the plants - YES.
but ultimately I haven’t allowed the plants to just grow through the screen they have been trained and weaved into the screen.
which is the definition of a scrog. So I fail to actual understand what your talking about with no reference from yourself about it?
I also fail to understand what good will come from leaving the growth under the screen which cannot or does not reach the screen or get any actual light penetration through the canopy??
So please feel free to show me your own scrogs that are as you are describing because believe me the weaving I did to this scrog IT IS NOT JUST SKELETAL SUPPORT!
jondamon
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Photos will be the best please.
If you’re talking about a 2 layered scrog then that’s not what I was going for.
I was doing a weaved single layer scrog to control
Height and try to maximise my colas as best I could.
I think I’ve achieved that.
do I understand that a lot of folks scrog differently YES.
Are most SCROGS you see online just plants grown through a screen YES.
is this just grown through a screen. NO it has been trained through the screen all through veg and during the stretch.
I have been limiting how much height I get after stretch due to using this scrog.
like I said a link to your own scrog thread showing how you do it would be great.
Any previous threads where you outline what your doing and why would be great thanks.
I also single net.
Here's a pic i drew, but it's actually scrog to the extreme. The man who invented scrog(same guy who got arrested for the soG technique).
One of my examples is not so good because I didn't raise my pots high enough.
However I actually done massive pots 13gallons with the net like 6 inches above spreading over a 5x5 area for a single plant. You can just see the net touching the top of the ph meter.
Google LBH's famous csrog Tutorial. It'll show u photos of true scrogs, scrogs not done well, and not even scrogs.
Here's a pic i drew, but it's actually scrog to the extreme. The man who invented scrog(same guy who got arrested for the soG technique).
One of my examples is not so good because I didn't raise my pots high enough.
However I actually done massive pots 13gallons with the net like 6 inches above spreading over a 5x5 area for a single plant. You can just see the net touching the top of the ph meter.
Google LBH's famous csrog Tutorial. It'll show u photos of true scrogs, scrogs not done well, and not even scrogs.
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jondamon
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Right so what you mean is that if I had lowered my net and trained instantly as soon as they got there it would have been a true scrog.
Thanks for the insight.
I’ll bare that in mind next time because other than that and a slight difference to the topping method they’re pretty much the same mate but I get what you’re saying.
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That's not the only way to do it ,
I don't even top ! there is no need to top in true scrog, maybe once or twice in the early stages.
The goal of scrog is pretty much less wasteage, more efficient, faster veg and importantly growing horizontally.
There's no problem with your method, I used to do the same, but it did increase my veg time as well as i couldn't get over a certain gr/sqm hurdle which i did easily with LBH technique.
I won't input no more as it seems as you're happy with your technique already.
I don't even top ! there is no need to top in true scrog, maybe once or twice in the early stages.
The goal of scrog is pretty much less wasteage, more efficient, faster veg and importantly growing horizontally.
There's no problem with your method, I used to do the same, but it did increase my veg time as well as i couldn't get over a certain gr/sqm hurdle which i did easily with LBH technique.
I won't input no more as it seems as you're happy with your technique already.
MidnightSun72
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I respectfully disagree. Growing -large plant gives you bigger/thicker branches and a larger root system. More root = More fruit. And the productive thinning makes the fewer buds you do leave on bigger. Also it's a scrog net to me regardless what you are doing with it. No need to get hung up on semantics . His canopy is full and he has created a screen of green anyhow.
Hey my dude. Are your hoses to each planter equal length? To have even flow you basically need the same number of holes punched on each dripper, same length of hose to each pot, both lines should have the same restrictions (bends) in the run.