my ladies is 3+ weeks in to flower and her leaves are starting to canoe down.NOT nitrogen toxicity.

cannabisculture420

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The bottom leaves are starting to canoe and I have no idea why, just older fan leaves are and a couple fan leaves are on top as well. Although it's happening slowly, it's still happening. She's 3 and some change weeks into flower and I noticed it about 2 weeks ago and was feeding her 5/28/5 npk and thought right away nite tox, hard to believe at that level but stranger things have happened. So I flushed thoroughly and am using a 4/14/14 ratio and it's getting worse. Any ideas would help great.
 

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Strain is delicious candy. Vegged for 2 months, took some clones off her at 6 weeks old, let her heal and put her in flower. I'm using two, 300 watt 2700k fluorescents, and two 4100k h/o 4ft fluorescent, not sure on wattage but it's up there. Should be plenty of light. Stretch is just about done and she's really starting to calyx up so that looks fine but leaves are scaring me
 
Stonironi

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It is very light green in the pics so it don't look like nitrogen tox. You need to lollipop that plant and get rid of all the stuff on the bottom of the plant that isn't getting light. It is wasting energy to grow leaves and bull crap on the places where you won't get any real bud. The plant will use a lot of those lower leaves in flower no matter what you do.
 
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I do have them side lights. That gets moved around from day to day. 4ft florescent and they seen to be getting plenty of light. If it were just bottom leaves I wouldn't be concerned because as you say, you loose plenty if them during flower. But the few on the top are concerning. I'm going to start trimming bottom leaves and stuff tho. Just finished stretch
 
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cannabisculture420 said:
I do have them side lights. That gets moved around from day to day. 4ft florescent and they seen to be getting plenty of light. If it were just bottom leaves I wouldn't be concerned because as you say, you loose plenty if them during flower. But the few on the top are concerning. Do you think it would be wise to lollipop this late in flower? Almost 4 weeks.
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But I know your right. Wasting energy on small amounts of bud.
 
bobtokes

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i never give my plants bloom nutes until the stretch is over as their still usiing N for the spurt of stretch growth
are those cannabis specific nutes your using, the ratios seem odd
 
Bubblin

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bobtokes said:
i never give my plants bloom nutes until the stretch is over as their still usiing N for the spurt of stretch growth
are those cannabis specific nutes your using, the ratios seem odd
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This ^
It might actually be a nitrogen deff.
 
cannabisculture420

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Lol. Good job on the pick up. You know your shit. It's me improvising. I have a bloom plus at 10/54/10 which IMO is too high, so I cut that in half hence the 5/28/5 and was going to work my way up if need be. But I was giving her 10/15/10 for veg and figured I wouldn't flush and there would be enough left over nitrogen in soil to Cary her through stretch. But then I noticed canoeing. So I flushed with about 3 or 4 gallons of r.o water and THEN I have a succulent plus with a npk of 2/7/7 which IMO is too low. So I'm doubling it. I know it's shabby but I'm hoping it will work until I can get more FF.
 
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And I noticed new growth is slightly light green in color. I'm not a newbie but I always love and appreciate others inputs. So I think clearly it may be a nitrogen def. At thispoint i don't think it's caused much damage as far as the stretch goes. And setup for bud structure looks great, within the last couple days she's starting to pistol up and do what it's suppose to do. At this point if you were me would you up the nitrogen?
 
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sometimes I just give aspirin so the plant can suck some leaves dry to grow more roots and buds, like 50% to 100% of most non sugar leaf gets trimmed off before you cure it anyway
 
bobtokes

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i think i would give them plain ph d water for 3/4 days , i think it could be P toxicity from your 5-28-5 feeding, the plant might not have recovered yet
 
Stonironi

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THE KONASSURE said:
sometimes I just give aspirin so the plant can suck some leaves dry to grow more roots and buds, like 50% to 100% of most non sugar leaf gets trimmed off before you cure it anyway
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What is the outcome of using asprin in flower ? I read it can cause a hermie response ? Thanks for the info .
 
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Stonironi said:
What is the outcome of using asprin in flower ? I read it can cause a hermie response ? Thanks for the info .
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I normally use it later in flowering it fucks up the leaves, turns them yellow fast it allows the plant to use the stored nutes in the leaves to make buds or roots

late in flowering it can make buds get bigger and harder very fast but the leaf can be harder to trim if you over do it

I can be used on cuttings or vegging plants as a rooting booster some B1 and b12 vits are good for that too
 
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