My Mission to salvage something from a true hermie

Newbiegrowerrr · Sep 18, 2018

So 9 days ago (13 days into 12/12) I found my plant was a hermie ballsacs mixed with flowers at 90% of all sites.

Was going to throw it away but after 5 months of growing this plant I thought what’s the harm in tryna save it so started stripping everything and leaving some of the main top colas and leaves then pick ballsacs as they show and see what happens.

Now I’m at day 22 of 12/12 took it out the tent to sit in sun all day instead of using my LEDs and so far the colas are growing good and I’ve only found about 4 new ball sacs starting to form and a couple Calaxs with undeveloped looking stamens. Now I know eventually I’ll miss something and shit will get seeded but has anyone done this and succeeded or atleast got a decent amount of salvageable bud? I still got prob 6 weeks to go and no idea if she will stop putting out ballsacs or really start pushing them out. I have another plant I can flower whenever but would you agree by these photos it’s worth a try to save this one for what it’s worth ?

simpleleaf · Sep 18, 2018

I have no experience with hermies, at least any I remember, perhaps someone else can answer your questions. I liked your photos. I wondered if your soil and/or nutrient pH was slightly acidic?

Newbiegrowerrr · Sep 19, 2018

simpleleaf said:
I have no experience with hermies, at least any I remember, perhaps someone else can answer your questions. I liked your photos. I wondered if your soil and/or nutrient pH was slightly acidic?

Nah this was a true hermie not a stressed herm just came with the genetics , it was grown from a late stress hermed female ( major light periods during dark periods where nanners piped up on lower branches) but it came from feminized seeds so expected all female seeds but obviously some small percentage will be true hermies (this one) and the rest run a higher risk of herming under stress from what I’ve read up on everywhere.

My next plant already has pre flowers so hopeing she stays female when I flower it but I’m gonna get some of that optic foliar switch and transport just Incase.

Kingrow1 · Sep 19, 2018

Newbiegrowerrr said:
Nah this was a true hermie not a stressed herm just came with the genetics , it was grown from a late stress hermed female ( major light periods during dark periods where nanners piped up on lower branches) but it came from feminized seeds so expected all female seeds but obviously some small percentage will be true hermies (this one) and the rest run a higher risk of herming under stress from what I’ve read up on everywhere.

My next plant already has pre flowers so hopeing she stays female when I flower it but I’m gonna get some of that optic foliar switch and transport just Incase.

Mainly you stressed the original plant and youve now stressed this so they noth hermed and NOT because you bred from a supposed hermie like many think they get herms from.

Saying you bred a hermie from herm seed spreads another load of broscience you dont yet understand past reading it on the net.

Total bummer but if this were like you said we could end up with hermie proof seed which as yet is impossible mainly :-)

xtsho · Sep 19, 2018

That doesn't look like a hermaphrodite plant. It also looks extremely small for a 5 month plant. Did it just have nanners or actual male flowers? A hermaphrodite will keep growing male flowers. I don't see any on that plant. Here is a hermaphrodite. Pistils, nanners, and balls.

Newbiegrowerrr · Sep 19, 2018

xtsho said:
That doesn't look like a hermaphrodite plant. It also looks extremely small for a 5 month plant. Did it just have nanners or actual male flowers? A hermaphrodite will keep growing male flowers. I don't see any on that plant. Here is a hermaphrodite. Pistils, nanners, and balls.

It doesn’t look like one now but it had pollen sacs and flowers at every flower site but for some reason the real top flowers didn’t have any but as it’s developing some are showing up besides the new flowers I just picked off. I’ve done a lot of research into stress hermies and true hermies and this one was a true hermie by what I’ve read , it’s not entirely that small considering the first month was rough so didn’t grow much and it’s only been growing under 108 true watts half it’s life and 258 true watts for the rest of its life also was topped and supercropped which slowed it down , Here’s a pic of her before I had to strip it because of pollen sacs all over every site

Newbiegrowerrr · Sep 19, 2018

Kingrow1 said:
Mainly you stressed the original plant and youve now stressed this so they noth hermed and NOT because you bred from a supposed hermie like many think they get herms from.

Saying you bred a hermie from herm seed spreads another load of broscience you dont yet understand past reading it on the net.

Total bummer but if this were like you said we could end up with hermie proof seed which as yet is impossible mainly

Well from what I’ve read from all the weed sites and forums that seeds that herm means they have the herm trait in their genetics and stress brings it out also if you have feminized seeds and they stress herm then 99% of seeds should be female but you have a high risk of a few herms but also that trait carry’s over to the seeds so very prone to stress herming, now this time around my conditions and feeding and dark period and everything was perfect so this wasn’t stressed in flower it was a unlucky true hermie

Kingrow1 · Sep 19, 2018

Newbiegrowerrr said:
Well from what I’ve read from all the weed sites and forums that seeds that herm means they have the herm trait in their genetics and stress brings it out also if you have feminized seeds and they stress herm then 99% of seeds should be female but you have a high risk of a few herms but also that trait carry’s over to the seeds so very prone to stress herming, now this time around my conditions and feeding and dark period and everything was perfect so this wasn’t stressed in flower it was a unlucky true hermie

Ya bro just breed me hermie free seed....

Ya cant and there is no such product.....

This should prove that your understanding of genetics and biology is vastly off and my way is the way, hermie genetics are in all weeds not bred in by the grower but there before we even domesticated it. If stressed herms show, its how they survive the bad years. It is officially an independant protein not anything to do with the sexual genetics, it merely influences it.

Please get away from the XY xxY YxYXyx base view of genetics, plants are waaaaaay more complex than you give them credit for and marijuana is one of the most complex plants for sex so you can -

A- Believe me and the great info provided

or

B- Believe the years of bro science that wash up on these boards from growers and wannabes that put zero effort into finding a real answer.

Choice is yours but be ye warned its easy to turn into an led herm bad genetics breeder hating fool and much harder to follow and learn the more complex science of nature and life.

Good luck and avoid those mutant plants or we might produce the next zombie invasion
:-)

Newbiegrowerrr · Sep 19, 2018

Kingrow1 said:
Ya bro just breed me hermie free seed....

Ya cant and there is no such product.....

This should prove that your understanding of genetics and biology is vastly off and my way is the way, hermie genetics are in all weeds not bred in by the grower but there before we even domesticated it. If stressed herms show, its how they survive the bad years. It is officially an independant protein not anything to do with the sexual genetics, it merely influences it.

Please get away from the XY xxY YxYXyx base view of genetics, plants are waaaaaay more complex than you give them credit for and marijuana is one of the most complex plants for sex so you can -

A- Believe me and the great info provided

or

B- Believe the years of bro science that wash up on these boards from growers and wannabes that put zero effort into finding a real answer.

Choice is yours but be ye warned its easy to turn into an led herm bad genetics breeder hating fool and much harder to follow and learn the more complex science of nature and life.

Good luck and avoid those mutant plants or we might produce the next zombie invasion

Sorry mate I didn’t mean to sound arrogant and not take your word for it, my knowledge is only limited to what I’ve read all over the internet because that’s my only sources so forgive my lack of understanding haha , so anyways moving on what do you think I should do with this plant from now on out ? Keep watch and pick or do you think within a week or too it would be pushing out a lot more male parts

Texas2326 · Sep 20, 2018

Kingrow1 said:
Ya bro just breed me hermie free seed....

Ya cant and there is no such product.....

This should prove that your understanding of genetics and biology is vastly off and my way is the way, hermie genetics are in all weeds not bred in by the grower but there before we even domesticated it. If stressed herms show, its how they survive the bad years. It is officially an independant protein not anything to do with the sexual genetics, it merely influences it.

Please get away from the XY xxY YxYXyx base view of genetics, plants are waaaaaay more complex than you give them credit for and marijuana is one of the most complex plants for sex so you can -

A- Believe me and the great info provided

or

B- Believe the years of bro science that wash up on these boards from growers and wannabes that put zero effort into finding a real answer.

Choice is yours but be ye warned its easy to turn into an led herm bad genetics breeder hating fool and much harder to follow and learn the more complex science of nature and life.

Good luck and avoid those mutant plants or we might produce the next zombie invasion

Hey kingrow1, so you seem to know your stuff and I don’t so maybe you can drop some knowledge on me please. I have a stardawg in week 4 of flowering. Growing outside, feeding canna nutes. I scored an 8th of stardawg and found the seed at the bottom of the bag. Bud was great so I thought I might aswell try. Pistils at the top of two buds turned dark in week 3 so I read around and this could be a sigh of Hermies. And as it turns out, I found and removed little yellow bananas from under 2 budsites. The rest of the plant has no bananas. So if this seed came from good bud, and I’ve only found two places with little bananas, what should I do? What would you do? Sorry to anyone if I’ve hijacked the formum. I wasn’t going to start another one since I’m at work I’m trying to cut corners so I can stop worrying. Thanks for your time and advice

MichiganMedGrower · Sep 20, 2018

Both growers show stressed plants in this thread.

The 2 main causes of reversal in my experience are nute stress and heat stress. The op has too much fertilizer. You can see the dark green thick ribbed leaves clawing.

And the second grower asking has heat stress. The leaves are all tacoing.

In my opinion those are the causes of the balls or nanners.

And the ability for a plant to handle the stress is what is genetic. All cannabis can reverse.

Newbiegrowerrr · Sep 25, 2018

Update 30 days into 12/12. Still another 5-6 weeks to go.

So the top colas are developing well and no signs off pollen sacs or nanners on them but all the branches below keep popping out pollen sacs every couple of days.

So staying on top of it all and if this stays the way it does till the end I should easily get a oz+ dry out of this hermie everyone said to bin.

Texas2326 · Oct 1, 2018

Hey newbie growerr, so I am in the exact situation, I don’t have any male parts, and the few nanners I did find, once I took them out they never came back. There are sacks that I think are swollen calyxes, all at the bottom of the branches when I check them they only have a hair inside( don’t know what that means) and twice there was pollen. I have t found any more with pollen and the plant is growing and getting fatter every day. She’s at day 42 of flowering. I now know what the problem was, it was not heat, I wasn’t giving her enough water 1lt every other day. She’s in coco and I never gave her enough to get any run off. It’s my first grow in coco and didn’t know enough. Now I’ve found that 2.5 lt every other day gives me enough run off. I hope this helps, A stressed plant that thinks it’s going to die can make seeds to continue its existence this is not a Hermie.

Hugo Phurst · Oct 1, 2018

I've gotten some fine smoke from hermies. So finish it off if you want.
Throw away any seeds from the hermie plant.
Seeds from a female pollinated by a hermie will be mostly female with a few herm.

Good luck

Texas2326 · Oct 4, 2018

Hugo phurst, thanks for giving us some info on what might be to come. I’ve looked at other Hermies and mine if you look at the pics I threw up doesn’t really look like that. I’ve only found one bud site that looks different than the rest, here’s a pic. Does this bud contain seeds? I know my girl is a girl, i just mistreated her so does that mean that if this she gives seeds they’ll be fem seeds? Thank you kindly for your time and info. Green thumb to green thumb very much appreciated.
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Texas2326 · Oct 4, 2018

This is what all the other bud sites look like

BudmanTX · Oct 4, 2018

do i smell Hemie????

BudmanTX · Oct 4, 2018

@Newbiegrowerrr your plant isn't a herm at all. It's got alot of heat stress right now as mentioned above, watch the nutes too.....

Kingrow1 · Oct 4, 2018

Newbiegrowerrr said:
Update 30 days into 12/12. Still another 5-6 weeks to go.

So the top colas are developing well and no signs off pollen sacs or nanners on them but all the branches below keep popping out pollen sacs every couple of days.

So staying on top of it all and if this stays the way it does till the end I should easily get a oz+ dry out of this hermie everyone said to bin.
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Its a bummer this plant dose this but all is not lost, growing a few shows you the pitfalls and how its not always that bad, better than no bud for a homegrower.

All in all its fun and you will get better :-)

Kingrow1 · Oct 4, 2018

Texas2326 said:
This is what all the other bud sites look like

Seeds or not i see some sticky ass bud. Dont fret this just buy some tweezers and remove nannas as they grow.

The actual science is tricky, take a few degrees and get back to me, in the mean time there is technically only male and female no hermie. The plant just grows these nanas as an independant stress or what not system.

Dont read into it just keep on growing and in a few years you will barely get this stuff, a few seeds never hurt no home grower, if you have your sites set on vast mountains of money from a grade primo bud this probably aint the site.

Even my worst seeded bud was a pleasure to smoke whilst my mates had to buy from some half assed grow, its all good hermies and all.

:-)

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