My organic method.

green_machine_two9er said:

You may need perlite or something to lighten soil. And when you say 1 part bone meal. That scares me. Also never heard of anyone useing baking soda to buffer ph. If you wan a water only recipe you will more fine tuning.

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hey 1 part consist of bone meal , blood meal and banana peel..that is all are 1/3rd part

How would you do organic while growing hydro? Let me know? Is it a dumb question?

hellmutt bones said:

How would you do organic while growing hydro? Let me know? Is it a dumb question?

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Personally. No. And many people I have talked to would agree. My thinking is there are deferent levels of organic. Organics with bottles won't ever be able to compete with soil food web gardening. And really focusing on the symbiotic relationships happening in soil. IMO that's were it's at!!

vtmaster said:

hey 1 part consist of bone meal , blood meal and banana peel..that is all are 1/3rd part

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Yes even still. You base is about 9 parts. Lets say you make a cf. (about 8 gallons of soil.) that means your ammenents woul still be on the 14-16 cups/cf range!! Way. Way. To much. And blood and bone meal at that can really hurt your plants in high doses. I would HIGHLY recommend not planing in this mix. I don't think plants would last a week. And my guess is that there are much better ph buffers. Than adding baking soda. Lime can work. Oyster shell I believe helps @greasemonkeymann help more on this than me.

hellmutt bones said:

How would you do organic while growing hydro? Let me know? Is it a dumb question?

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No dumb questions. Only dumb answers

green_machine_two9er said:

No dumb questions. Only dumb answers

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haha...hey thnx a lot buddy ... well no wonder why my clones started growing little clawed leaves from the begininning ...i think m lucky they havnt died yet....bt definitely signs of over feeding ...should i flush the nutrients lik do a half flush or 1/3rd fllush or should i replant it in a better mix ....?...wats ur suggestion...i hav a 3 gal pot ...whats the above ratio of soil should b ..ur input would b very helpful and assuring on how much blood bone and banana peel to add to a 3 gal pot ?
__%cocopeat
__%soil
__% vermicompost
__% of bone meal , blood meal and banana peel ?
and the remaining how much bone meal and all to add ?
V

vtmaster said:

haha...hey thnx a lot buddy ... well no wonder why my clones started growing little clawed leaves from the begininning ...i think m lucky they havnt died yet....bt definitely signs of over feeding ...should i flush the nutrients lik do a half flush or 1/3rd fllush or should i replant it in a better mix ....?...wats ur suggestion...i hav a 3 gal pot ...whats the above ratio of soil should b ..ur input would b very helpful and assuring on how much blood bone and banana peel to add to a 3 gal pot ?
__%cocopeat
__%soil
__% vermicompost
__% of bone meal , blood meal and banana peel ?
and the remaining how much bone meal and all to add ?
V

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1/3 peat. 1/3 Ewc. 1/3perlite. As for ammenents. I would go for a more diverse recipe. You will need some minerals 4 cups/ cf. amendments. 4-5 cups / cf. check out my recipe on page one for ideas. Also clones or seedlings should never be planted Ina "hot" or ammended soil. Start your young girls off in roots organic or any organic potting soil. How many 3 gallon pots are you planning on doing?

vtmaster said:

haha...hey thnx a lot buddy ... well no wonder why my clones started growing little clawed leaves from the begininning ...i think m lucky they havnt died yet....bt definitely signs of over feeding ...should i flush the nutrients lik do a half flush or 1/3rd fllush or should i replant it in a better mix ....?...wats ur suggestion...i hav a 3 gal pot ...whats the above ratio of soil should b ..ur input would b very helpful and assuring on how much blood bone and banana peel to add to a 3 gal pot ?
__%cocopeat
__%soil
__% vermicompost
__% of bone meal , blood meal and banana peel ?
and the remaining how much bone meal and all to add ?
V

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In theory, and in a perfect world, bonemeal isn't bad, same with feather meal..
Sadly like most of the entire planet (and even our damn stratosphere, atmosphere, etc) it's been polluted, tainted, and essentially ruined by humans.
Feather meal is loaded with arsenic and other chemicals due to the de-feathering of the chickens (sorta scary,i imagine that "wash" gets on the chickens..)
and bonemeal can literally kill you, and you won't even know it for yrs and yrs, even decades.. Go Google BSE, it's a prion disease that causes Jakobs Creutzfeldt disease, and a case was recently found in Canada...
----copied from wiki---
Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease or CJD is a degenerative neurological disorder that is incurable and invariably fatal. CJD is at times called a human form of mad cow disease. However, given that BSE is believed to be the cause of variant Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease in humans, the two are often confused.
One thing to consider... many people much smarter than myself believe that altzheimers and CJD are the same... they both take decades to kill you, and both cause spongiform encephalopathy
disientegration of your brains microtubules, literally boring holes of your brain...
--another copy--- related to alzheimers and CJD--
These toxic oligomers, also referred to as amyloid-derived diffusible ligands (ADDLs), bind to a surface receptor on neurons and change the structure of the synapse, thereby disrupting neuronal communication.[58] One receptor for Aβ oligomers may be the prion protein, the same protein that has been linked to mad cow disease and the related human condition, Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease, thus potentially linking the underlying mechanism of these neurodegenerative disorders with that of Alzheimer's disease.
All the more reason to use fish bone meal...
Don't mean to freak you out..

green_machine_two9er said:

Black afghani kush! Good eye. Hey also had a question for ya greasemonkeyman. I came across some old mushroom grow bags. They are just peat an completely covered in white mylicium. Think this could be of benefit to boost my soil food web. And going to be cooking in my final flowering pots from now on and not messing up the web at all before transplant.

I can get 100s of these. If they are helpful.

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im intrested as well!! wonder if its super beneficial for the soil and plant. wouldnt hurt to try it right?

Sunny Organics said:

im intrested as well!! wonder if its super beneficial for the soil and plant. wouldnt hurt to try it right?

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I only got nervous that it had been sitting all winter in a dump truck size pile of the bags. Didn't want to introduce and pest or mold problems. But I did mix into my outdoor vegetable Garden.

Ok guys. I'm gettin ready to do my first sst. Think these berries will work well?? I not I can get something else. Jus thought wheatgrass had tons of good stuff for humans. Why not plants. ?? I was planning of soaking for 24 hours. Straining out berries and watering. But I feel like I'm missing a step. ?

green_machine_two9er said:

Ok guys. I'm gettin ready to do my first sst. Think these berries will work well?? I not I can get something else. Jus thought wheatgrass had tons of good stuff for humans. Why not plants. ?? I was planning of soaking for 24 hours. Straining out berries and watering. But I feel like I'm missing a step. ?

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Wheat Grass will work fine for an SST. You want to soak it for about 8 hours. Then discard that water because it contains growth inhibitors. You can then either continue soaking it in fresh water, or place it in a damp piece of material like burlap or hemp. Once the sprout is about a 1/4"-1/2" long puree the sprouts in some water and apply.

st0wandgrow said:

Wheat Grass will work fine for an SST. You want to soak it for about 8 hours. Then discard that water because it contains growth inhibitors. You can then either continue soaking it in fresh water, or place it in a damp piece of material like burlap or hemp. Once the sprout is about a 1/4"-1/2" long puree the sprouts in some water and apply.

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Thanks @stowandgrow! Now the best time for application would be early flower veg??? And suggestions.

green_machine_two9er said:

Thanks @stowandgrow! Now the best time for application would be early flower veg??? And suggestions.

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Whenever your heart desires.

green_machine_two9er said:

Ok guys. I'm gettin ready to do my first sst. Think these berries will work well?? I not I can get something else. Jus thought wheatgrass had tons of good stuff for humans. Why not plants. ?? I was planning of soaking for 24 hours. Straining out berries and watering. But I feel like I'm missing a step. ?

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i do this with avocado seeds.

just kidding, i use mango seeds.

Greasemonkey, greenmachine Nd dr who are three people ive been following to learn organics. You guys are everywhere and I enjoy reading your posts.

Im going organic and making a worm bin, few questions.

1. I hear chitin is good for the worms, is this true and how can I feed them it?

2. What do your guys worm bins look like? Is it pretty much necessary to have more than just the three bins ive seen some with 5 bins? Is that strictly to make things easier?

3. I was going to buy the red wigglers online, how many should I start with?

Thanks guys.

Kind Sir said:

Greasemonkey, greenmachine Nd dr who are three people ive been following to learn organics. You guys are everywhere and I enjoy reading your posts.

Im going organic and making a worm bin, few questions.

1. I hear chitin is good for the worms, is this true and how can I feed them it?

2. What do your guys worm bins look like? Is it pretty much necessary to have more than just the three bins ive seen some with 5 bins? Is that strictly to make things easier?

3. I was going to buy the red wigglers online, how many should I start with?

Thanks guys.

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That's very kind sir! I've only been organic year and a half now. So I still learn something new everyday. Glad your making the switch.
Tbh on the worm bins. I learned very early on would never keep up with the amount of castings i go through. So much more of a hobby for me and am no expert on worms.
I believe all micronutrients and minerals will be good.should just changed your end produxts levels. And chitin is great for soil so I don't see why not. I've always just used the mineral mix that came with my bin style farm.

You start with one bin at a time. Once the first one has filled up and started to break down you add next bin level. If its a top down feed style. so as you fill up each bin over a period of months. The lowest portion will always have the most processed humus material an top bin recent food.. The worms travel up and down through the holes in bottum of each tray

And red wigglers are best for vermicompost. . Good luck there kind sir.

I have worm farm about to start so had to buy EWC. I read that wiggle worm was actually legit so I bough some.
Recipe so far.

Base: Spaghnum Peat/Perlite/EWC

Alfalfa, Kelp, Fish Bone, Crab Shell, Oyster Shell Flour

Glacial Rock Dust

I was looking at neem seed meal, Greensand, and I heard good stuff about gypsum and insect frass.(add some compost would be nice too)

I also bought coco coir for my worm bin.
I know I talked to grease about this, just wanted another opinion.

Kind Sir said:

I have worm farm about to start so had to buy EWC. I read that wiggle worm was actually legit so I bough some.
Recipe so far.

Base: Spaghnum Peat/Perlite/EWC

Alfalfa, Kelp, Fish Bone, Crab Shell, Oyster Shell Flour

Glacial Rock Dust

I was looking at neem seed meal, Greensand, and I heard good stuff about gypsum and insect frass.(add some compost would be nice too)

I also bought coco coir for my worm bin.
I know I talked to grease about this, just wanted another opinion.

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Looks pretty good. But i eould diversify uour minerals like you said. Some gypsum. Phosphates. Humic acid ore. I like neem. Never used insect frass. I know @greasemonkeymann is all about it. And compost is key. And dont forget fungal food. Brown rice is. Easiest source. 1 cup/cf. I have been having very good results with oatmeal as well.

green_machine_two9er said:

Looks pretty good. But i eould diversify uour minerals like you said. Some gypsum. Phosphates. Humic acid ore. I like neem. Never used insect frass. I know @greasemonkeymann is all about it. And compost is key. And dont forget fungal food. Brown rice is. Easiest source. 1 cup/cf. I have been having very good results with oatmeal as well.

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Do you add the fungal good to the soil before you let it cook? Seems like neem seed meal is a important amendment.