My Outdoor Garden-2010

veggiegardener

veggiegardener

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capncash said:
veggie, awesome grow man, hey would you mind running down your flower nutes/additives for me? just curious. thanks
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I use pretty much what anybody uses. I avoid the pricey custom nutrient mixes like Advanced Nutrients. Very expensive. I don't mind spending money once a real benefit is visible, but none of those products have shown markedly superior results.

I use several combinations of NPK that allow me to achieve NPK ratios of 2-1-1 for veg, and about 1-4-3 for flowering.

Granular mixes include 21-0-0, 16-20-0, 0-10-10 and 16-16-16. A little math and a measuring cup get me where I want to be.

I also add volcanic ash, epsom salts, and Ironite 1-0-1 for a wide range of micronutrients.

I no longer add carbs. Instead, I mulch heavily and let the bacteria convert the mulch into carbohydrates. Adding sugars seems to cause a lot of problems. A few years ago, several growers and I tried a variety of molasses type preparations, and all of us either saw no improvement in yield, or saw a marked decrease. Until someone can show me a good side by side study, I'll avoid sugar.

Providing a nutritious environment for the plants is always the goal. A healthy plant produces heavily. Any time I disturb the mulch, I find earth worms. Always a good sign.
 
dumbthumb

dumbthumb

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You've seen my stuff, I've read all the sugar talk, and decided to try it... now I see your post and wonder if it was/is the right thing. What kind of problems did you see? I did think about the issue of attracting unwanted beings.

I'm mulched to the hilt, it gets hot here and I figger insulation is a good thing.

You should check out the power trimmer I made from junk, it's in my 'trainwreck' tthread.

DT
 
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Ludicium

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Hey VG. I just started my very first grow..and I'm kind of nervous.

If you have time do you mind checking out my Grow Journal thread and answering some of the questions I have?

Thanks, have a nice day.
 
veggiegardener

veggiegardener

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dumbthumb said:
You've seen my stuff, I've read all the sugar talk, and decided to try it... now I see your post and wonder if it was/is the right thing. What kind of problems did you see? I did think about the issue of attracting unwanted beings.

I'm mulched to the hilt, it gets hot here and I figger insulation is a good thing.

You should check out the power trimmer I made from junk, it's in my 'trainwreck' tthread.

DT
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What we experienced was what appeared to be lock out issues. Watch for yellowing of the sun leaves, mimicking Magnesium or Nitrogen shortages. I think our problems stemmed from inexperience. We probably used excessive amounts, or applied the products at inappropriate times. IMO, more research needs to be done.
 
treemansbuds

treemansbuds

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Hello VG-
Things are looking great, I'm using a few of your ideas in the garden, I need to update my journal so you can see the SCROG and the progress of the girls. I'm having a BUSY SUMMER, 2 long camping trips and 2 trips to Las Vegas, so my journal has been neglected.
Molasses.... I use about a cup when I make my tea's. The tea ends up making 32 gallons so about half a tablespoon per gallon. I only use to feed the microbeasties in the soil. The idea of adding sugars to SWEETEN the buds doesn't work. I agree with the Yellowing of the leaves, I tried a higher dose on one plant last year and she struggled. If used, use in moderation and I believe the plant benefits....IMO. I think to many people think if adding sugars it will sweeten the buds so they go way over board with the sugars.

Keep up the good work.....TMB
 
veggiegardener

veggiegardener

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treemansbuds said:
Hello VG-
Things are looking great, I'm using a few of your ideas in the garden, I need to update my journal so you can see the SCROG and the progress of the girls. I'm having a BUSY SUMMER, 2 long camping trips and 2 trips to Las Vegas, so my journal has been neglected.
Molasses.... I use about a cup when I make my tea's. The tea ends up making 32 gallons so about half a tablespoon per gallon. I only use to feed the microbeasties in the soil. The idea of adding sugars to SWEETEN the buds doesn't work. I agree with the Yellowing of the leaves, I tried a higher dose on one plant last year and she struggled. If used, use in moderation and I believe the plant benefits....IMO. I think to many people think if adding sugars it will sweeten the buds so they go way over board with the sugars.

Keep up the good work.....TMB
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I figure your ideas are accurate.

I decided to stop trying to feed the bacteria sugars, directly, instead allowing them to make their own.

I use a bioenhancer (Cytozyme "Soil") that provides everything a bacteria needs except carbs. It kicks bacterial activity into high gear. In places, those things have completely eaten six inches of mulch, which amounts to a bunch of easily digestible carbs.
 
dumbthumb

dumbthumb

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Wow...talk about sound advice!

I molasses-ed all the kids yesterday morning, with 1 tbsp per gallon, as generally recommended, and today, what do I have?? About double the yellowing leaves, so no more sugar fro my babies. They must be sour-pusses, just like papa. Not too worried about the yellowing, this too shall pass, as the wee beasties are otherwise booming.

Now what to do with all this molasses? Looks like a batch of BBQ sauce is in order! I'll get right on that.

Thanx again for all the knowlegable help!!
 
veggiegardener

veggiegardener

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Here are a few pix I took a couple days ago...

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Last year's watermelons were outstanding. I hope these do as well.

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Note how spindly the Trainwrecks look? I hope you'll remember this pic in about eight weeks. The change is startling!

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The cage is filling up!

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Coming to visit.

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I've been nibbling on the grapes. They're ripening uneavenly, but they're awfully good when the munchies strike, in the garden!
 
dirrtyd

dirrtyd

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veggiegardener said:
Here are a few pix I took a couple days ago...

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Last year's watermelons were outstanding. I hope these do as well.

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Note how spindly the Trainwrecks look? I hope you'll remember this pic in about eight weeks. The change is startling!

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The cage is filling up!

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Coming to visit.

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I've been nibbling on the grapes. They're ripening uneavenly, but they're awfully good when the munchies strike, in the garden!
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Looking Good !This is great Veggie can I come and clip whats outside the cage? Dirrtyd
 
naloboy808

naloboy808

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youʻre garden is my dream man. all of those things to thrive off of and stay healthy for a lifetime sound almost too good to be true! And the pakalolo is magnificent!
 
veggiegardener

veggiegardener

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A bunch of random shots. Everything is growing very rapidly as the girls go to flowering. I think the yield will be better than I expected, two months ago.
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My Dad was a professional photographer. He always said film was the cheapest part of photography. Always take plenty of shots.

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Getting close to the beginning!

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I think humanity's greatest gift is the ability to appreciate beauty...

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Much appreciated members of the garden community!
 
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