My plants smell JUST like mint....

Serapis

Serapis

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In those cases, industrial sized UV Ozone generators are utilized. The ones being sold to your average consumer on eBay and Amazon don't put out nearly as many ppb. Again, while I understand that using an ozone generator has risks if not properly used, so does an automobile, a sidearm, a kitchen knife, etc....

I encourage anyone interested in a secondary odor control method to research ozone generators for themselves. They are relatively safe if used properly, just like your automobile, which is emitting far more dangerous fumes than an ozone generator designed for and sold to the public.

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Yes, I'm very much aware of those facts. In your average indoor garden, ozone has no place, in my opinion. For large scale operations, where it is properly contained and used to treat exhaust it can be fine, as long as the proper mixing times are used, so that by the time it's exhausted the ozone has neutralized itself.

In hospital settings, airports, laboratories, yes it is necessary, but those are very different applications that your average basement grower who has a very rudimentary understanding of what it does, and how to use it properly.
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OldGrowth420

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I'm going to say one last thing about this ozone buisness ma'am i apologize if we have derailed your thread.

* ozone generators are so hazardous to one's health that the law suits against Sharper Image for their ozone air purifier Ionic Breeze drove them out of buisness. http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...per_image.html

*by the way, if you live in California.. It's ILLEGAL to even own one of these things because they are so bad for humans and the environment.


*Some devices that are advertised as "air purifiers", air cleaners, or ozone generators purposely emit large amounts of ozone, the main component of smog! Not only are such ozone generators ineffective at cleaning indoor air, but breathing ozone poses serious health risks. The Air Resources Board recommends that these ozone generators not be used. http://www.arb.ca.gov/research/indoor/o3g-list.htm

and this:
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 Ozone gas is harmful in high concentrations.
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Ozone (03) is a highly reactive, toxic gas comprising three oxygen molecules. Manufacturers of ozone generators usually claim that the devices prevent allergies and disease by killing viruses and bacteria, and neutralizing airborne chemical contaminants. However, numerous studies show that ozone generators do not work as intended, and may even be harmful.

*Although ozone is a hazardous component of photochemical smog, advertisements for ozone generators claim that the devices will make indoor air healthier and safer to breathe. They market ozone as a "natural" solution to molds and mildews, pollens, unwanted odors, off-gassing from household construction materials and consumer goods, and other contaminants that cause low indoor-air quality. Some advertisements use misleading terms like "activated oxygen" to downplay their use of ozone.According to the EPA and the California Air Resources Board, ozone generators do not solve these air-quality problems, and may make some of them worse. Odor Elimination The California Air Resources Board reports that ozone generators are not helpful in reducing unwanted odors. In fact, their evidence suggests that ozone generators can disguise the problem by damaging your sense of smell. This damage can also make it harder to smell ozone when it reaches immediately hazardous levels.

*Ozone generators may be safe and effective for some purposes, when used under highly controlled conditions. However, most consumers have neither the knowledge nor the scientific instrumentation they need to ensure their personal safety when using ozone. For this reason, the EPA and many state air-quality regulators strongly advise against consumer use of ozone generators.


Now Serapis, i like you.. but if you keep arguing this mute point i'm going to begin to get irritated. :leaf:
 
Serapis

Serapis

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OldGrowth420 said:
Now Serapis, i like you.. but if you keep arguing this mute point i'm going to begin to get irritated.:leaf:
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I'm merely presenting another side of a debate. If that makes you angry or upsets you, I apologize, however your point is not the only one to be made here. I think that together, we have presented both pros and cons to ozone use. It is up to the individual to decide. And since when did something NOT cause cancer in the state of California? ;)

Again, I apologize that this discussion has irritated you.

On another note, my Cat's asthma went away entirely when I began safely using an ozone generator in my home. He no longer goes into breathing fits. The vet was astonished... She has speculated that the introduction of ozone in my Florida home may have killed off mold or mildew that went undetected but affected the cat. The thing that you are not taking into account is that I am advocating the safe use of ozone. Not a plug it in and forget approach. Ozone does has benefits, which you have failed to acknowledge, while I have acknowledged that used unsafely, can be unhealthy.
 
OldGrowth420

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Serapis said:
I'm merely presenting another side of a debate. If that makes you angry or upsets you, I apologize, however your point is not the only one to be made here. I think that together, we have presented both pros and cons to ozone use. It is up to the individual to decide. And since when did something NOT cause cancer in the state of California? ;)

Again, I apologize that this discussion has irritated you.
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lol on the california comment. I have been trying to explain to people the health hazards of living in modern society for years , and no one seems to care or be able to consider thinking outside the box.. i am worried about the earth and the future of humanity.. gets me a riled up :)

I like your point of discussing both sides of the argument as well, forgive me.. I'm still a youngin
 
iriefarmer

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OldGrowth420 said:
lol on the california comment. I have been trying to explain to people the health hazards of living in modern society for years , and no one seems to care or be able to consider thinking outside the box.. i am worried about the earth and the future of humanity.. gets me a riled up :)

I like your point of discussing both sides of the argument as well, forgive me.. I'm still a youngin
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http://urbanhomestead.org/

I love this website so, so, much. Hope you enjoy it
 
OldGrowth420

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iriefarmer said:
http://urbanhomestead.org/

I love this website so, so, much. Hope you enjoy it
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!!!!!:leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf:!!!!!!
That is basically my dream + Herb + Berries + Honey bees.
Even without herb one can run a profitable urban farm with just Chickens (eggs) + Fresh Berries + Honey
And the benefit of growing in town is that your customer base is all around you $$$
No waste

sources- http://www.amazon.com/You-Can-Farm-Entrepreneurs-Enterprise/dp/0963810928

vvvv- to you as well

OldGrowth420 said:
:clap:
'i can tell that we are gunna to be friends' :-P
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Wolverine97

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OldGrowth420

OldGrowth420

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I like the taste of meat too believe me.
I'm a logical person and in the end it comes down to do i want to kill a plant (plants have not been proven to feel in any way) or obtain sustenance by killing a feeling, pain sensing, potentially loving bleeding breathing animal? Not to mention the environmental impact involved in food industry animal production. Doesn't that just sound wrong? Animal production? WTF?

MEET YOUR MEAT
[video]http://www.peta.org/tv/videos/celebrities/87206203001.aspx[/video]
 
Wolverine97

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OldGrowth420 said:
I like the taste of meat too believe me.
I'm a logical person and in the end it comes down to do i want to kill a plant (plants have not been proven to feel in any way) or obtain sustenance by killing a feeling, pain sensing, potentially loving bleeding breathing animal? Not to mention the environmental impact involved in food industry animal production. Doesn't that just sound wrong? Animal production? WTF?

MEET YOUR MEAT
[video]http://www.peta.org/tv/videos/celebrities/87206203001.aspx[/video]
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It's a dog eat dog world my friend. :-o
 
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