My Secret Stealth Closet/Clonestand (comments welcome)

So I ask a friend who grows some stuff if he can maybe help me out sell me a used light and maybe a clone. Couple days later he sais here, gives me a blueberry clone mother and lets me borrow his 400hps ballast/bulb and an ebb and flow table for once my clones take. I take a couple clones 3 days pass I get a call. He sais he and gfriend breaking do I want a few more plants. I say sure then blammo 40 plants in my 10by8 bedroom that I can let no one who is here see. Then next day blammo his light burns out. Long story short its 2 weeks later now, Ive started 3 other friends grows and kept 4 mothers, clones and 8 budding plants for myself.

Mothers are blueberry, orange cush,ninja, and NYC Diesel. Right now I have 5 clones of each of those strains starting in lower tray. The veg cabinet I converted from an old tv stand. Mothers have one 30 watt cfl to promote the sort of slow growth i need. Height of veg area is around 3 feet so I veg in short pots under 2 times 2500 lument daylight spectrum bulbs ( again to promote not overly rapid growth so only 1 veg is tall enuff per 7-10 days when I harvest a plant. Clone tray is under a single 30 watt daylight spectrum in small greenhouse with heating pad under.

Closet is full 8ft ceiling height with top 1.5 feet being a shelf. I hung one 150 watt hps (which I plan to augment later not sure what yet need low heat, maybe cfl, maybe those ozonite light bulbs maybe leds suggestions welcome). As it stands current bulb with no additional vent just a 6 inch clip fan and a 1 inch gap under door the temp stays between 73 at floor of flower room to 85 above lights. Humidity ranges from a high of 65 if i dont open all day to around 50-55% which seems the norm.
Still trying to figure out how to show a picture thumbnail in messages all I seem to be able to do is one huge blown up pic any advice on that would be $$ as well.
Here are some picks of the veg/mother area open partiially closed and stealth mode and some of the goodies in closet.At least a link to pics

http://s682.photobucket.com/albums/vv189/Closetcultivator111/

Well 4 iof my initial 5 blueberry clones have rooted into rockwool and 2 blueberry clones that were a branch that broke upon move also rooted and placed into soil. Officially my first clonebabies to live. Hopefully they will veg fast enuff in my growbox to add them to closet before more than 2 plants harvest. Then I plan on trimming shaping etc as before long hopefully ill be ahead of flower cycle with excess of veg candidates.

I would swap that tin foil for some mylar if u can. Looks like a decent set up, does the light leek between your rooms?

Actually the clone area is just for veg/clones and mothers so the light leaks there dont matter as they are all on same cycle. The closet is off to the side and sealed inside with only a 1 inch gap at bottom, so any light that leaks only barely touches the floor plastic. Yeah I know I need mylar, my first blueberry harves I'm gonna sell an ounce and buy all reast I need. Sells for 100 a 1/4 oz here. Gonna buy a 2 tube t5 flouro for my vegi area,then take the 2 bulb sockets i have in vegi area, put their 10 inch reflectors on them and add one 100 watt cfl(hopefully its heat wont put it over top) and maybe try one of those ozonite bulbs to add to my 150. Has anyone used those ozonite/do they work?And of course by mylar and vent fan for my vegi area as I cant seam to get the humidity over 30%, so I guess ill mylar and aluminum tape a more airtight space with a small venthole/fan and a velcro or zipper mylar front panel.

The only light leaks I have are into my room from under closet door and from ventholes in clone cabinet, and as long as its daytime or my ceiling light is on unless your right by them the light cant be seen thru other light.

Moved a friends sweet tooth to 12/12 today and helped him start his bloom room. So I got myself 4 good lower branch clones that were gonna be pruning trash and started those in a jar in my mothers area. His plant hygiene slightly questionable so quaranteened them.


Now heres a look at some clones all are numbered depending on when I planted them. 1-2 were from mother cuts and transplanted to pots on 3/16, 3 and 4 were from a broken branch cut on 3/1 and transplanted to soil on 3/16, plant was allready budding hoping that they will resume veg as had only been budding 1-2 weeks. Clone 5 was cut 3/1 transplanted 3/19.Clone 6 transplanted 3/21 also cut 3/1.All blueberry.




Heres some pics of the budding room. Again still only the 150 watt HPS wish I could afford more. Looking for low heat ideas any suggestions, cfls? leds, what works good also do ozonite bulbs work?The long branches of byds are the blueberry, the huge bud is a sweet tooth and is hard as a rock, any advice on drying that thick beast would be great.







all comments and advice welcome

Woke up this morning and checked clone area and wow what a difference a night makes. The leaves that yellowed and drooped really bad right after I cut them are colored and standing straight. Was looking like of the 20 or so clones I had 10 were dying now all look healthy. Being patient and stepping back really works sometime.My recently transplanted to veg station/soil clones color has improved remarkably although still a lil yellow. ! of them has taken off. Grown a good inch since checked early yesterday. All seems to be going well soon lights in bloom come on and I can check my nute burn, as of yesterday had gotten no worse since the day of the flush and now seem to be improving some.

Everythings looking great in vegi closet, still alot of burn marks from me being an overnuting moop.looking better tho. Hard to see in pictures but one blueberry is as high as the light hangs at like 1-2 weeks into flower so thinking of either low stress bending it along wall with some tie offs or supercrop style bending it out to sides. Kinda want to have it just hug one of the side walls and kinda grow in levels on it to soak as much light as possible.

Sigh, the major leaf damaged stopped then the plants leaves started shriveling up. Tested soild ph was right around 7 with very low nutes. Based on some advice i nuted them with some bloom stuff . Botanicare pro bloom and liquid karma. Water im useing is 7ph with nutes was around 6ph, watered plants each with a quart , tested runoff was at 6.5 ph. Tempermental blueberry all other plants doing great. Am told blueberry can be a fickle bitch so lets hope this helps. Heres a link to my picks of my poor poor leaves. https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/175968-tips-curling-crunchy-leaves-help.html

lets hope for best. My Vegi area got way to hot so a couple the newest clone to vegi not so hot. Tied em up lowered lights and opened area up till can get a fan for it.

Also replacing foil with posterboard to help with heat etc issues. All other plants looking awesome. Ninja mother drinking faster than others dunno if a starin thing or what got a lil wilty. And clone tray still seems fine, nothing dead, few droppy leaves but sojme even showing growth so all in all normal. Im sure I will get better at that to so far have only had 1 of 20 or so die, and 4 of my first 5 got solid roots and one still not sure what its doing of those. Im sure once I get a heating pad and stuff for them it will improve. To broke to pay attention at the moment tho so working wit what I have.

Well nothing appears to have gotten any worse today cept clone 5 looks like its bout to heat stress die. Got a larger air moving fan for closet to drop temp a little from 85 at plant tops to 80 and really helped the humidity from 65 down to 40 so thats working out and now I have the other fan to try and work the heat issue in my vegi cab. I either have to drop to one cfl or vent air out, seems no way to have heat and humidity taken care of with what i currently have and am broke so gonna hope that heats the more important cause to seal it tight enough for over 40% humidity it has to be like 95 degrees. Replaced the foil with some white plastic hopefully that helps as well and helps bring humidity up since i made it more airtight aside from fan. Clones looking ok in rockwool. Is it normal for yellowing on newly trasnfered to soil clones. They are in miracle grow potting mix ( i know i know before ya say it but its all I had from my flower garden) so shouldnt need to nute for awhile , when trasfer from small to big pot will switch to a soil/perlite medium.Another day another few crisis still beats 2 weeks ago when I had 20 plants under a single ceiling incadescent , sprawled around the room heh.The branch tips I have bent/supercropped on the huge blueberry have both turned and look like very healthy tops. slowly shaping it readying for when sweet tooth goes to dry and have some room to shape her. Shes a good 1.5 feet taller than any other girl in there so gonna try and turn her branches to side.

Found some nutes 2- 45-28 how long into flower should I wait to use and how long should I use.

Well Another day brings new hope. The blueberry even with all the damage have still been filling out. And as far as I can see, comparing photos from yesterday etc theres no new damage. Closet was getting hotter and hotter as the thicker vegitation made it harder for my cheapy fan to move air so I got the new airmover you see there. Takes the heat right off the bulb and has a decent breeze flowing out my vent now. Humidity down to 45% ish and temperature at plant tops from 85 down to 80 on low fan setting so can always kick her up.

So with that bad boy moving air all seems better. Closet looking thick and lush.


This is too tall the plant im cropping and forming soon as sweety gone in less than week.

Heres a few pics can kinda see the string holding the branch I supercropped up. Figured Id start slow with that kinda stuff.


Well enough outcries of no foil, here is my redone vegi area, instead of being 90 degrees with new exhaust is now 75 just need figure out some humidity issues.One clone dying or dead as I was checking the soul water but its rockwool cube was bone dry and I missed it so might have killed one.

Heres my mother area, they will fit better once I get new smaller mothers bred. With 4 mothers each only needs produce 1 clone a month , so gonna use smaller pots on new clones and make them mothers as I can.

as for now ninja mother can live with the babies, have allready cloned it may send to friends vegi area. Alos as I said before I have some 2-45-28 mix but not sure when to start adding it, and should I add it along with my standard botanicare bloom nutes or instead of. As always all comments and advice are greatly appreciated/welcome.

Well the fan was so strong I could barely use it on low, and humidity was getting to be worse and worse of an issue. So I did some cuffing and since its a closet with drywall inside and out, I cut out a 5 inch square above the light and repositioned fan across from it. Did a little homemade ductwork and installed a false vent on the ouside to look like a mormal exhaust. Put a homemade scrubber in the wall , a baking soda trap and where it vents out just happens to be where we keep one of our air scrubber/hepa filters. After a few hourse closed the temp at plat tops was down to a nice 80% (instead of 86) and humidity down to 45-50(from 65%), I figure with a little ductwork tomorrow will be even better. Cant see any new damage on the plant,s and have done a little more creative cupercropping and tie offs. The leaves on alot of the plants look healthy green but arent very waxy/lustrous wasnt sure if that was normal, today was feed day, ph was pretty high so i just watered with a low ph and brought them all down as close to 6.5 or so as I could without drowning.

hey those clfs need to be like three inches away from the tops of those lil babies if u want them to grow faster n bushier and if the humidty is a problem then u can water every other day instead of everyday. though i water every day and my humidty normally stays at around 55-60. plus feeding everyday promotes faster growth. how tall are they by the end of flowering. whats the tallest u can fit? my buddy uses the 150 watter like yours but his yeild are pretty decent for that light.(1 1/2 to 2 ounces per plant) he keeps his light a little under a footaway from the plants at all times.if keeping it that close for u is to hot then try to figure away to bring in cold air from ur ac vents if possiable. some ducting and inline fans should do the trick. he only puts two girls at a time to flower under the light bcuz its so low in watts that if u put four plants they will fight for light which will give u smaller and more scatter buds rather then tight fat nugs. plus the more the plants are crowed together the more oxgen they use or breath. so they have to fight for oxgen as well as light? thats no good a happy plant is a strong bigger plant. and one more thing three feet tall at the end of flowering is alil big for this light so try to keep them under this height so ur plants grow in at the bottoms too.

Yah I lowered the cfl later that nite after pictures were takren, I just had them up so they didnt mess with the pic. As far as height wise goes Ill be vegging them to around 26-30 inches tall. I realize 150 watts is a little low, but it keeps heat down and a larger wattage bulb would force me to spend not only money I dont have fpor the ballast etc, but ducting, inline fans etc etc. So the plan is to bud as much as I can under this light as they seem to be doing ok. I counted a good 70 buds on each of the 2 sick blueberry and more than half of those are over an inch tall now. With the stuff selling for 50-75 an eighth here once I harvest my 2 blues I will be able to afford an led to start helpin the light.As it stands tho its a 16000 lumen bulb being concentrated on .62 squarew meters, so thats like 24000 lux which isnt optimal but still can get 2-5 ounce yields if i dont kill em. I have 8 plants budding atm, 1 harvests in about a week, 2 in month, and rest not too long after that. So once some starts coming in ill be able to buy a led for closet and either a t5 setup or led for vegi, and dependant on cash flow possibly a second led for closet then they should explode. #5 died today due yo my neglect and a new #5 took its place from the clone tray. So many showing roots soon I'm gonna have to sell them or plant them outside. Nothing got any worse today which was awesome, and some new growth can be seen. Got myself a nice magnifier and the sweet tooth is a trichome forest, starting to turn amber, getting close. Hopefully some of these clones get a little growth in as Id really like to replace the big bushy mothers with some new ones that ive grown as the other mothers were meant for much larger area and Id like to be able to maintain 3-4 strands for some variety and theres barely enuff room for 3 with leaves constantly burning off on the bulb heh.Some of the clonesa are rooting but showing alot of leaf yellowing is this normal? Not all leaves but a few have 1 very yellow leaf now. Bought some apple cider vinegar and mollasses today, once I get nutes under control will start the molasses. All in all everything going well. Still dealing with some spidermites but not many and since they were infested with mass leaf loss when i got them thats always a plus. Useing einstein oil atm for them.Made some mini gnat traps and they seem to be history. Some of the other plants actually seem tpo be recovering well, again all good considering before i got them the plants spend 2 days in a trunk, many on their sides, with no light, then spent a week under a single 60 watt ceiling incandescent. So with all ive had to do in mind their pretty ok. Humidity in flower room down to 40 after a little more vent work and temperature now a stable 72 at pots, 75 at plant tops and 80 right above light. Again hoping for the best, thanks for the advice and any and all comments are most welcome.

Oh and a quick question, since my light is kinda lame in vegi are could i possibly try some low stress bending to make them not stretch as bad.

try to add more cfl bulbs in there prefferably bigger ones. their like 9 bucks at home depot n they say 45 watts but they put out the same amount of lumens as a 150 bulb. thats what the label reads and though that might not be entirly true their still really good i my self vegg with cfls till there about 18-24 inches tall and by the time im done flowering with my 600hps their about 3 to 3 and a half feet tall with atleast 4oz on each one some even put out close 6oz sometimes. also dont feed your clones nutes yet its normal for the lower leafs to yellow and die off. go on how the tops of the new growth looks? if its a nice shade of green ur good. let them run on straight water n soil for a week and they'll still grow good bcuz they dont need that much food right now. the soil should have a very small amount of nutes in it naturaly. if u do use nutes use something especially designed for babies(seedlings or newly rooted clone) i use a root excelarater(its made by humboldt county nutes) and plain water for the first week every day. they take off better then i've ever seen. whats the apple cider for? also dont worry about the ph in the soil. if u water it everyday with water PH'd at 6.8 to 7.0 then u wont ever have a ph issue in ur soil this techniques is so good that i stop using my ph pen bcuz the food/nutes i use have a ph buffer in it so my ph never changes. btw i use GH floranova grow, GHfloranova bloom, GH liquid kool bloom, and GH floralious bloom. also i use purple maxx as a spary once a week during flowering n the root excelarater the first week of vegging both r made by humboldt county.if u change to these nutes later wen u get more dough i'll teach u how to use them their the best and most simplest nutes in the market if u ask me. i've tried so much shit but this is by far the best results i've seen on my girls. plus their cheaper then alot of other crap on the market like advanced nutrients which r good but to fuckin expensive when i can be getting the same yeilds with the GH line. and bendin them wont really stress them that much it actually mkes the plant grow bigger, i myself break the tops twice during vegg, they heal back and r standing straight within 3 to 7 days if u did it right. becareful not to break the tops off completely u kinda want them to from an upside down L without breaking them off. if the stem is to skinny they will break off completely so make sure their fatt enough. u have to squeeze the stem n hear it crack first them gently start molding the L. this makes the plant send all its energy to the tops to start healing n thats what makes the tops growth bigger n stronger. one more thing when u put ur plants thru stress during flower they finsh faster with lesser yeild so try to keep them as happy as posiable during flower.

Well I was able to do a little wheeling and deelin and got the money together I needed for a led light. Bought a glowpanel 45 from sunsystems , should help a bit with bud area hopefully pay for itself by the time the first few blueberry harvest. The closet going great temperature stable low to mid 70s dependant height and 75 at plant tops and humidity has been dropped belpow 40%.The damage from the nute burn has progressed none at all as far as can tell and the buds definately seem to be getting thicker again, along with some new growth everything looks promising. The low stress bends Ive dpone on the babies seems to be working out well, all in all was a good day. Had very little work to do on plants, everything looking healthier and ready to go. Hopefully wed I will have my led panel. Then first yield I can buy 2 more , one more for bud area and one more for vegi. All is looking well, thanks for all the advice and as always all advice and comments welcome.

Well its been a nice weekend as far as my girls go anyway. Everything getting pretty much stable wwith room so actually didnt have anything to do for a few days cept a few dead leaves trimmed. Hopefully tuesday or wed my led will come. Sweet tooth looking pretty good slated for harvest anyday will be sure to shoot some pictures of it nice and trimmed and what i decide to make into a drying area. Again thanks for all your advice , no plants looking any worse seem to be past the nute burn hump. All is well in closettown.