Name the Place You Can Pay NO Taxes And Receive A Refund..

Doer

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This too is about to change. Tax the net!

But, Costa Rico or Beliez with give us a refund on our norte americano loco payment, the moment we step off the plane. :)

Something a Belize fisherman said, after we bought lobsters from his boat. I told him, "from the USA." He say, "Ah, you pay loco." What? "You pay a lot to live there?" Yeah....

"Loco tax" he said with a giant smile as we drift apart. :)
 

NoDrama

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If box 5 of the 1098T form is larger than the amount in box 2 of the 1098 T form, you aren't getting anything.

Claiming you didn't get a 1098-t form will be an awesome excuse to tell the IRS, because you can bet they got a copy.
 

collector

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Internet sales will be taxed soon.
They are in some states already.

This too is about to change. Tax the net!

But, Costa Rico or Beliez with give us a refund on our norte americano loco payment, the moment we step off the plane. :smile:

Something a Belize fisherman said, after we bought lobsters from his boat. I told him, "from the USA." He say, "Ah, you pay loco." What? "You pay a lot to live there?" Yeah....

"Loco tax" he said with a giant smile as we drift apart. :smile:
Ah Belize.
Has anyone ever read the John McAfee postings over at Bluelight ?
He posted as stuffmonger.
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/541627-Hello-and-an-MDPV-Question
 

tokeprep

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This thread is about taxes tokeprep.
If you don't want to discuss it, don't raise it. Then there will be no discussion.

I suggested we aren't addressing the fundamentals of it all and only the symptoms.
This was all covered in detail here https://www.rollitup.org/politics/652366-impossible-deficit-falling-well-unemployment.html
You never successfully refuted any point made there.....actually you chose the strawman route.
Somehow in the discussion you mentioned you were gay, work for the government, and brought up slavery in America, then proclaimed victory.

Its OK self preservation is only natural.

Thanks for clarifying the district courts have exclusive original cognizance for all seizures on land.

Does the the IRS seize shit?
The problem is that you're connecting clauses that are obviously disconnected. The "and shall also have" that relates to "saving to suitors" is connected to "all civil causes of admiralty or maritime jurisdiction." Then there's another "and shall also have" relating to "seizures on land." As is clear in the text:

"and shall also have exclusive original cognizance of all civil causes of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction, including all seizures under laws of impost, navigation or trade of the United States, where the seizures are made, on waters which are navigable from the sea by vessels of ten or more tons burthen, within their respective districts as well as upon the high seas; saving to suitors, in all cases, the right of a common law remedy, where the common law is competent to give it; and shall also have exclusive original cognizance of all seizures on land..."

You need not take my word for it. "The savings to suitors clause is a right under the federal law which allows a party to pursue a remedy for a maritime claim in a state court when entitled to such remedy." http://definitions.uslegal.com/s/saving-to-suitors-clause/.

The supreme court has explained this: "In a subsequent case, the Court defined the saving to suitors clause as a grant to state courts of in personam jurisdiction, concurrent with admiralty courts...“The ‘right of a common law remedy,’ so saved to suitors, does not … include attempted changes by the States in the substantive admiralty law, but it does include all means other than proceedings in admiralty which may be employed to enforce the right or to redress the injury involved...Thus, the saving to suitors clause preserves remedies and the concurrent jurisdiction of state courts over some admiralty and maritime claims." From Lewis v. Lewis & Clark Marine, 531 US 438.

The present rendering of the jurisdictional statute at 28 US Code 1333 is further evidence: "The district courts shall have original jurisdiction, exclusive of the courts of the States, of:
(1) Any civil case of admiralty or maritime jurisdiction, saving to suitors in all cases all other remedies to which they are otherwise entitled."

An IRS seizure could only possibly be construed to trigger the "saving to suitors" clause if the seizure related to something that falls under admiralty/maritime jurisdiction. Your original claim in this thread was that the Judiciary Act of 1789 provides the right to a common law remedy related to currency. Because that has nothing to do with admiralty, which is what the "saving to suitors" clause relates to, that claim is just not tenable.
 

Beagler

Active Member
I saw Belize advertised heavily on Glenn Beck one day when I was channel surfing the tv. Belize had much air time along with gun holsters, garden seeds, home security safes, gold and silver, and home security sytems.

That doesn't mean there is any thing wrong with Belize.
Does Glenn had a secret fox hole there?
 

collector

Well-Known Member
Not anymore. They started taxing the states that wasn't already getting taxed. I just bought a double din dvd player and paid 18 dollars in tax. :sad:

I am sure it is coming but not yet where I am.
I just checked
[h=3]Order Summary[/h]
Items:$19.95
Shipping & handling:$6.49
[HR][/HR]
Total before tax:$26.44
Estimated tax to be collected:$0.00
[HR][/HR]
Order total:$26.44
 

tokeprep

Well-Known Member
I am sure it is coming but not yet where I am.
I just checked
Order Summary

Items:$19.95
Shipping & handling:$6.49
[HR][/HR]
Total before tax:$26.44
Estimated tax to be collected:$0.00
[HR][/HR]
Order total:$26.44
Amazon has made deals with various states to start collecting sales taxes, but the starting year differs by state. Collection started in 2014 in several states, and in will start in others in 2015 or 2016.
 

Beagler

Active Member
I saw Belize advertised heavily on Glenn Beck one day when I was channel surfing the tv. Belize had much air time along with gun holsters, garden seeds, home security safes, gold and silver, and home security sytems.

That doesn't mean there is any thing wrong with Belize.
Does Glenn had a secret fox hole there?
 

SirGreenThumb

Well-Known Member
I am sure it is coming but not yet where I am.
I just checked
Order Summary

Items:$19.95
Shipping & handling:$6.49
[HR][/HR]
Total before tax:$26.44
Estimated tax to be collected:$0.00
[HR][/HR]
Order total:$26.44
Well screw you too. jk... :lol: I lied, it was 15.17 oops.

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Doer

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I saw Belize advertised heavily on Glenn Beck one day when I was channel surfing the tv. Belize had much air time along with gun holsters, garden seeds, home security safes, gold and silver, and home security sytems.

That doesn't mean there is any thing wrong with Belize.
Does Glenn had a secret fox hole there?
What were they advertising? Timeshare? :) I am pretty sure you have to be a citizen to own property. But, the main thing is the banking secrecy.

It is still real, on paper, numbered accounts, double blind, etc. Can't be hacked. The bank actually does not know, who's money they have by actual identity. No employee knows. Only you know the number. The bank has no other details.
 

schuylaar

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If box 5 of the 1098T form is larger than the amount in box 2 of the 1098 T form, you aren't getting anything.

Claiming you didn't get a 1098-t form will be an awesome excuse to tell the IRS, because you can bet they got a copy.
did you not see the word: QUALIFY?..i did not receive enough last year to QUALIFY for a 1098T..
 

twostrokenut

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I remember when belize was all the rage....everyone wanted tourist cabana spots.

@tokeprep

"Debt begins in Admiralty whether on land or navigable waters." United States v. $5,372.85 United States Coin and Currency, 283 F.Supp. 904, 905-06 (S.D.N.Y. 1968)
 

Doer

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did you not see the word: QUALIFY?..i did not receive enough last year to QUALIFY for a 1098T..
What being with a Q and ends with a Y and has an AL and an F and a U and that's how ya spell RIVERCITY! (what?) Rivercity. You have to qualify to work for the Big Casino.

May your realize few earnings to pay less tax.

This Account friend, straighten out the IRS for me, put them in their place....for me to beg them. And I got off. 12K in fines dismissed, only taxes owed, 4K in penalties dismissed. All because we were able to show that I was not a tax cheat or a smart ass, but, clearly stupid with the wrong idea, entirely. :)

Anyway, he always said that his job doesn't matter about a flat tax or a fair tax or anything. The art of accounting is to realize less earnings, and only at the best time, and take advantage of plowing back, tax breaks, returns on net capital, etc.

He says his job is to find out if you realized any earnings, at all, in a quarter. And why did you have to do that? A loophole in the Corporate Holding Entity, no doubt. Must fix that. :)
 

Beagler

Active Member
I wish Rosland Capital would get rid of William Devane and replace him with the claymation character "Yukon Cornelius" while Burl Ives sings out, "Silver & Gold".
 

tokeprep

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@tokeprep

"Debt begins in Admiralty whether on land or navigable waters." United States v. $5,372.85 United States Coin and Currency, 283 F.Supp. 904, 905-06 (S.D.N.Y. 196
If you bothered to read the case you would know that quotation is fabricated. Google just informed me that it comes from tax protestor web sites/manifestos. What does the case actually say? First of all, it has absolutely nothing to do with debt. Here are the actual words from the relevant parts of the case:

In this country the earliest forfeiture proceedings for violation of law appear to have involved maritime matters, such as importation of goods by vessel contrary to law...The pleading to initiate the proceeding was early called an ‘information'...An early statute providing for forfeiture directed that the proceeding should be by ‘action of debt, indictment or information’. A proceeding was commenced on the admiralty side, to which it was objected that it should have been at common law because debt, indictment, and information referred to common law remedies. But Chief Justice Marshall held that ‘information’ had no exclusive application to common law because a ‘libel, on a seizure’ was ‘in its terms and in its essence an information’. The pleading initiating a proceeding in admiralty for a forfeiture came frequently to be called ‘a libel of information’
The earliest seizure cases were maritime cases and for that reason the pleading to initiate such seizures came to be called "a libel of information."

As statutes provided for forfeitures in other than maritime causes, the practice followed was to commerce the proceedings in admiralty by a ‘libel of information’ and for claimants to file claims under the admiralty practice for the property in question. The Supreme Court Admiralty Rules (now rescinded) dealt specifically (Rule 21) with ‘informations and libels of information upon seizures for any breach of the revenue or other laws of the United States'. Supreme Court Admiralty Rule 21 required that a libel of information state the place of seizure, whether on ‘land’ or on ‘navigable waters'. This is because in forfeiture proceedings, if the seizure was on land the proceeding after jurisdiction obtained by libel of information in rem- was that of an action at law, with *906 right of jury trial, etc.
Because the legal framework for seizure was developed in maritime cases, non-maritime seizures came to use admiralty procedures. The distinction between maritime and non-maritime cases was absolutely essential because, for example, there is no right to a jury trial in admiralty cases. There was a right to a jury trial in a non-maritime seizure because it wasn't actually an admiralty case; those cases merely followed admiralty pleading procedures.

Applying Rule 81(a)(2) it was held in a case of seizure on land that ‘except as to filing the libel and obtaining jurisdiction, admiralty procedure does not apply. A forfeiture proceeding, after these preliminaries takes the character of a law action’ and is governed by the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure...
When the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure were created, non-maritime seizures ceased to follow admiralty procedures and instead followed the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

The Advisory Committee Note to Rule 81(a)(2) in connection with the 1946 Amendments stated that Reynal was a ‘correct application’ of the Civil Rules to forfeiture proceedings; this Note is quoted at 7 Moore's Federal Practice (2d ed.) 4413. [2] When the civil and admiralty procedures were unified by the amendments effective July 1, 1966, reference to forfeiture proceedings was deleted from Rule 81(a)(2) and the Supplemental Rules were made applicable to such proceedings (Rule A; ‘statutory condemnation proceedings' was meant in include forfeiture proceedings, see 7 Moore's Federal Practice 4439, 1967 Cum.Supp. 147-148). [3] Thus, forfeiture proceedings such as that at bar are now governed by the Supplemental Rules of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure so far as applicable, otherwise by the Civil Rules generally.
The distinction between the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and admiralty procedure was ultimately eliminated. Seizures are presently governed by the Supplemental Rules of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and otherwise by the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

Conclusion: Whoever fabricated your quotation is confusing substance and procedure. To give you an unrelated example of what I mean, if I go to a federal district court to litigate a state law, I'm required to adhere to the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure--I can't use state rules even though I’m disputing a state law. Regardless, even though I'm required to use federal procedural rules, the federal district court must apply state law. The federal rules are just the procedure for conducting the litigation; the state law is the substance for deciding the case.

The fact that non-maritime seizures once utilized admiralty procedures reflects the historical reality that the earliest seizures were in maritime cases, BUT that did not transform such non-maritime seizures into matters to be decided by substantive admiralty law. The fact that you keep seeing the word “pleading” and phrases involving commencing “proceedings” in the actual text of the case is your tipoff.
 

NoDrama

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and if you'd like to take this one step further..in addition to the above, corporations like walmart, mcd are irresponsible business owners..they double dip: loopholes AND do not pay their employees a living wage relying on social programs to kick into the kitty which translates to american's being doubly screwed out of dollars that would be flowing through the economy..
People who work at Wal -Mart are the employees of the shareholders, not the CEO. Many Wal-Mart employees are also shareholders.
 
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