Mindmelted
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He does not want the truth which you speak of course.
national health care...how awesome!
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sputniknz
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Yeah... with your insurance, which you pay for, handsomly. Duh!
I don't pay for insurance. And no it was'n't anything special "freind", but i didn't get ass raped for it. Please have a look at the following averages for MRI's in some of your states. And note it is an "average". And if you had no insurance its what you probably would have paid. LOL @ ass raped...
Testing Facility Location Test Type Average Cost
Orlando, FL MRI $2,229
Dallas, TX - MRI Testing Facility A MRI $3,624
Dallas, TX - MRI Testing Facility B MRI $2,172
San Diego, CA MRI $2,826
Salt Lake City, UT MRI $1,694
Detroit, MI MRI $3,461
New York, NY - MRI Testing Facility A MRI $1,785
New York, NY - MRI Testing Facility B MRI $2,199
Raleigh, NC MRI $3,001
Omaha, NE MRI $2,502
FYI: Starting rate for an MRI is $400USD up to $3500USD, so tell me. How would you have felt paying for that with no insurance aye? Dick!....
sputniknz
Active Member
Who is "he"? And what truth?
canuckgrow
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My examples were merely to point out what you were saying was so wrong with health care does indeed happen in other instances in society, seemingly without harm...in fact some could argue to better society...Such as Car insurance for example: if it was not mandated for everyone? how would it work for anyone? Maybe society would be better off without it at all? I don't know.....
All I am saying is how is it wrong to provide health care for a people? Even if some of those people, Those who can afford it the most have to pay for the ones who can't. What are some of the dire unintended consequences you are so worried about?
canuckgrow
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canuckgrow
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Ok so the logic of the herd and the hive...I get that....what is it you are advocating? You know you don't like my ideology but you present none yourself?
Some individuals are powerless on their own...that is a reality. What do we do about the powerless individual? Who for whatever reason can't provide their own health care.
canuckgrow
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What cost you $100? How much is your insurance per year or month? Makes no difference my whole point is the same thing in Canada costs me less.....so is it bad?
Rob Roy
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What are the dire unintended consequences of allowing one person or a group to mandate what another peaceful individual will do?
Aren't we already experiencing some of them now? Can you honestly say YOU own your body? Your real estate ? ALL the fruit of your labor? The ability to live a peaceful life unmolested ?
If you want to "better society" I'd suggest stop viewing society as a collective. Recognize society is an accumulation of many different people with many different motives, desires, abilities and drive. Everybody deserves respect, nobody deserves to be "made" to do anything against their will if they aren't harming another. THAT is our obligation to our fellow man, to leave him alone if he does the same to us. Not to provide nourishment, charity, or a place to live. All we are OBLIGATED to do in a JUST society is permit people to live peacefully, the result of their life and their lifestyle is up to them.
Do I believe in charity being a "good" thing? Yes. I don't think it remains "good" or even charity if it is performed under duress though.
There's nothing stopping people that preach charity to practice it. I heartily endorse that behavior.
canuckgrow
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Still waiting for the unintended dire consequences? What are they?
Rob Roy
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Reflect on the last post I made and the second paragraph, where I ask questions....the questions were meant to be rhetorical.
Sparky4u
Active Member
Nice south park video...
Western medicine is (for the most part) a sham. It isnt about healthcare at all, it is about what I call "stealthcare".
We do not need a national system organizing the rich permanently into our wallets.
It is the ultimate chicago style politics, that make the mafia look like imbeciles by comparison! al capone eat your heart out!
We each need to start ingesting healthier foods and more regularly, and controlling our own gluttonous actions before we start expecting others to pay for our own stupidity.
The illnesses we often give to ourselves through a lack of education and through our wrong personal choices just may begin to disappear all on their own. Did ya know that you cannot even contract cancer in an acidically correct body?
Imagine such a thing...
Improve your diet, improve your health; is that too much common sense for any to comprehend anymore?
Our entire system is based on making money, raping insurances and pushing pills to further destroy our organs and their intended biological functions, so we have to take more pills, and are indefinitely locked into the games the rich have created for us to play.
A great starting point for correcting our problems is by forcing the big pharma businesses to charge the same amount per pill to all nations and all people, instead of syphoning from our american heath insurance companies till they are forced to raise rates or go out of business. Some countries like america pay hundreds per script, while other countries pay pennies for the same pills; this is the largest unethical practice that is currently ruining our way of existance!
We dont need national healthcare, we need a single ethics law to be imposed on the businesses controlling the world we wish to live in!
Correct this single action alone, and we might not even need to stick the american public with another trillon dollar debt it doesnt deserve.
Better yet, eat 5 greens and 5 fruits a day, half a lemon, and a splash of bragg's apple cider vinegar each day so you dont have to become an active participant in organized stealthcare, and perhaps illness wont even be able to compromise your immune system, and you will stay healthy more often!
Support yourselves, not the nutjobs called doctors!
Western medicine is (for the most part) a sham. It isnt about healthcare at all, it is about what I call "stealthcare".
We do not need a national system organizing the rich permanently into our wallets.
It is the ultimate chicago style politics, that make the mafia look like imbeciles by comparison! al capone eat your heart out!
We each need to start ingesting healthier foods and more regularly, and controlling our own gluttonous actions before we start expecting others to pay for our own stupidity.
The illnesses we often give to ourselves through a lack of education and through our wrong personal choices just may begin to disappear all on their own. Did ya know that you cannot even contract cancer in an acidically correct body?
Imagine such a thing...
Improve your diet, improve your health; is that too much common sense for any to comprehend anymore?
Our entire system is based on making money, raping insurances and pushing pills to further destroy our organs and their intended biological functions, so we have to take more pills, and are indefinitely locked into the games the rich have created for us to play.
A great starting point for correcting our problems is by forcing the big pharma businesses to charge the same amount per pill to all nations and all people, instead of syphoning from our american heath insurance companies till they are forced to raise rates or go out of business. Some countries like america pay hundreds per script, while other countries pay pennies for the same pills; this is the largest unethical practice that is currently ruining our way of existance!
We dont need national healthcare, we need a single ethics law to be imposed on the businesses controlling the world we wish to live in!
Correct this single action alone, and we might not even need to stick the american public with another trillon dollar debt it doesnt deserve.
Better yet, eat 5 greens and 5 fruits a day, half a lemon, and a splash of bragg's apple cider vinegar each day so you dont have to become an active participant in organized stealthcare, and perhaps illness wont even be able to compromise your immune system, and you will stay healthy more often!
Support yourselves, not the nutjobs called doctors!
Rob Roy
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funniest line in the movie...
"the government will chip in some money to bring down the cost" That's a little misleading isn't it? Where will they get this money from?
undertheice
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well that was cute. so you're basing your opinion on a survey with some unspecified methodology, that doesn't even tell what sort of donations they're talking about. why don't we get back to what i was talking about and back it with some real comparisons. follow this link - http://www.cafonline.org/pdf/International Giving highlights.pdf - to an interesting little paper that bases its findings on something a bit more substantial. it may be a few years old, but takes into account only individual donations and bases them on percentage of gdp.
Sparky4u
Active Member
Table 1 Individual giving and income tax plus employees’ and employers’ social security contributions (as % of labour costs), 2005
4 What are the reasons for variation in levels of giving?
Individual giving as % of GDP
Employees’ social security contribution
Country
Employers’ social security contribution2
Income Tax1
Total Tax Take
USA 29.1 14.6 7.3 7.3 1.67
UK 33.5 15.7 8.2 9.6 0.73
Canada 31.6 14.8 6.2 10.5 0.72
Australia 28.3 22.7 0.0 5.7 0.69
Rep of Ireland 25.7 11.4 4.7 9.7 0.47
Netherlands 38.6 9.5 19.7 9.5 0.45
New Zealand3 20.5 20.5 0.0 0.0 0.29
Turkey 42.7 12.7 12.3 17.7 0.23
Germany 51.8 17.3 17.3 17.3 0.22
France 50.1 10.8 9.6 29.7 0.14
Yet another reason the french are losers...
Good paper chief!
4 What are the reasons for variation in levels of giving?
Individual giving as % of GDP
Employees’ social security contribution
Country
Employers’ social security contribution2
Income Tax1
Total Tax Take
USA 29.1 14.6 7.3 7.3 1.67
UK 33.5 15.7 8.2 9.6 0.73
Canada 31.6 14.8 6.2 10.5 0.72
Australia 28.3 22.7 0.0 5.7 0.69
Rep of Ireland 25.7 11.4 4.7 9.7 0.47
Netherlands 38.6 9.5 19.7 9.5 0.45
New Zealand3 20.5 20.5 0.0 0.0 0.29
Turkey 42.7 12.7 12.3 17.7 0.23
Germany 51.8 17.3 17.3 17.3 0.22
France 50.1 10.8 9.6 29.7 0.14
Yet another reason the french are losers...
Good paper chief!
canuckgrow
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Link is a completely blank page.....Why am I not surprised....
canuckgrow
Well-Known Member
ummm ok....So what is this? Looks like a bunch of cryptic letters and numbers then a statement that the French are losers
undertheice
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that's odd. when i click on it it takes me to a paper comparing the charitable donations of major nations. it's a simple little pdf file that's easily read by adobe reader. perhaps it's there and you just don't like what it has to say.
Sparky4u
Active Member
It didnt ome out too well sorry, try this link
http://www.cafonline.org/pdf/International%20%20Giving%20highlights.pdf
Why do canadians still come to america for treatment and to fill their scripts if ya got da bomb of stealthcare plans?
http://www.cafonline.org/pdf/International%20%20Giving%20highlights.pdf
Why do canadians still come to america for treatment and to fill their scripts if ya got da bomb of stealthcare plans?
canuckgrow
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I don't....>and i don't know anyone who does.......We def do a lot of traveling down there as a people....With all of our snowbirds and it would make sense to have some people in fact using your system that are Canadians. But I think that it is just human nature to want to jump to the head of the line...Wouldn't you say?