necrotic spots, yellowing of lower leaves (w/ PICS)

Hey guys, I have been doing a bit of research on plants and diagnosing nutrient deficiencies. And I was wondering if you guys could help with some problems I have been having on one of my ladies.

Started about the time I switched the lights from 18/6 to 12/12. In soil, monitoring pH and keeping it around 6.3-6.5. Supplementing Sea-Mag, Calplex, and Molasses, and put High P guano in before I flipped the lights. All damage is seen on lowest growth, moving kinda inwards then upwards. Right now it's about mid-way up. Starts with yellowing of leaf (entire leaf not really veins or w/e) then pellet sized necrotic spots, then the whole leaf dries and crinkles savagely.

Maybe I missed a supplement or something, but here are the pics hopefully ya'll can help. Anything is appreciated

my apologies for the pics being kinda low quality, I haven't found my USB cam-computer cord.
 

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Argentino619

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Man your problem is the exact same problem that i am having as well. except im on week four of flowering and it just started to appear ill show you some pictures. sorry i have till yet to figure the problem out. Some people just tell me im worrying but as you said its started to climb upwards.

Just wanted to know if you though the problems wee the same. Ive recently been watering with some blood meal, epsom salts(to poor for cal-mag)molasses and flushed hoping for something good.
 

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saycheese

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your pics and description look very similar to the post I just made. Here are my photos. looks like there are 3 of us with this issue so far... also the leaves I am showing are relatively new. but a lot of my other new leaves look fine.
 

Argentino619

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Today was my first feed since the flush i fed my girl.
- Miracle Grow blood meal 12-0-0(extra nitrogen loosing to much to fast)
-1 tblspoon Molasses
-6ml Biocanna Cannazym
-10ml biocanna flores 2.5 2.0 2.1
- 4ml PK 13/14

Its only slowly progressing nothing i do seems to fix the problem
 

Jonus

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There is not much that can be 'done' to fix the problem because I think its the doing that is partly causing the problem sorry. The problems usually begin before plants are switched to flowering. Often times too much watering and too much nutrients and additives result in the opposite affect of what is written on the bottle.

The roots end up shocked and their growth slows. To make matters worse for the plant, there are additives for every little leaf issue, and more additives are put into the soils bringing with them salts and more shock to roots further inhibiting their ability to recover.

The next problem is this idea that the decision to switch to flowering often is determined from the plants height, the amount of nodes, and arbitrary veg times stipulated on some grow videos.

The result is that switched plants are not in the position to produce bud. Their roots are either under developed, or in shock, sometimes rotting, sometimes with disease from over feeding, over watering etc. Roots also have not have the chance to spread through the growing medium and occupy the diameter and circumference of the pot. A sign of this is the lack of filling out of plants at least the majority of the foliage filling out to the pots rims. Plants stretch outward usually at least as much as roots stretch out to fill the pots.

This reduces their ability to handle the shock of flowering, the shock of the loss of nitrogen, the increase of potassium and the shutting down of their growth cycle. This begins and appears usually at about the first or second week of budding but is often missed until week 4 when the metabolics of plants go into hyperdrive.

The lack of proper root development during vegging also results in undeveloped cell walls, stems that are like celery stalks, they may be thick in diameter but the stem wall itself is thin. The ability of plants to then deliver the needed extracts from the soil to the top of the plant and then down to the lower branches is stunted. This is seen by the onset of early leaf color disappearing and what looks like nitrogen deficient and potassium deficient leaves.

Following on from that, growers are then instructed by various plant problem sites, books and videos that their plants are suffering from whatever deficiencies, or soil issues which means that the plants end up being assaulted with yet more nutrients, additives and unneeded watering further hurting the roots. Even worse is when growers determine that it is a root problem and then are sold additives to be fed into the roots to sort the problem, however they usually make things worse by that stage of root shock.

End result, plant foliage that begins dying at week 4 instead of what you would see at week 7-8, necrotic leaves and in some cases cooked plants.

The answer is prevention and doing away with that mechanical way of determining when to switch your plants. Water thoroughly then let that pot totally dry out (even if it takes ages to dry), then water again.

Most root problems will be avoided doing this - excessive watering is almost 80% of the cause of most plant deficiencies. Growers also have to learn to read their plants with almost a 'gift' like manner rather than like playing music from a music sheet so to speak.

Some of the signs you are looking for are as follows:
- What is the speed in which your plants are drying out the pot, is it slow, medium, fast, an increasing metabolism is a good sign plants are preparing to be switched.
- Are the plants stretching outward as much as they are growing upward, this is a good sign that roots are filling out the container the plants are in
- Do the leaves look too green, patchy, tips burning, spots appearing, leaves dying or otherwise, this is a sign that the root area is under stress (discounting any other grow room issues).
- Are the leaves stretching outward, upward or drooping, these will tell you whether there is too much moisture in the soil, or too much nutrient, or too much heat on the leaves.
- Are the plants stretching with big gaps between nodes, this is a sign there are issues going on, other than genetics, this can be lack of light lumens or heavily stressed plants
- Are bugs being attracted to your plants. If your plant is becoming a bug magnet it is sometimes a sign the plant is also sick, plants emitt an odor that attracts bugs when they are sickly.

All these and more are signs to look for which tell you that your plants are not ready to switch to flowering...and that is without even covering the issues of room temps, pH and EC which are usually pointed to as the source of most problems.

Allow your plants the time they need to veg into adults with fast metabolism and full leaf sets and they will act like adults when producing buds for you.

Sorry I cannot be more directly helpful but I believe a lot of the deficiency issues I read about online stem from this issue alone, shocked roots.
 
hey fellas, welcome to the same problem ha. That's a pretty sick 4th picture you have aregentino. You said your 4 weeks into flowering? Either way, I was tempted to flush my lady and start a new feed regiment to treat for possible cal, mag, and potash deficiencies. But it seems like you have already taken that initiative. Lemme know how that works out for you.

and Jonus, I appreciate your hefty read. I was a bit rushed heading into flowering, but this only happened w/ 1 of my ladies. (used same feeding schedule and nutes for all of them). But in the future I will try to make sure the ladies are in prime condition before flipping the switch.

Other than that...any one got any ideas as to what deficiency specifically those leaves are showing?
 

Argentino619

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So far shes still yellowing but the spots are more focused on lower eaves it stopped going up as much. But i dont know if its gonna stop. Just gonna continue everything normal and hope she pulls through. shes looking good today.
 
that's good to hear man, how long ago did you give it the flush? I have decided to hold off on the flush to see if it continues to move upwards, or if it was a deficiency that was able to be corrected in feeding schedule...someone had mentioned to me that it might be a salt-build up situation...if so, it seems like your idea of flushing would take care of that.

I'll keep up with your post though if you find a solution. And i'll letcha know what's on my end. Seems like patience is better than over-correcting to try and fix the problem w/ more nutes or w/e.

I think I'll continue to try and supplement Mag, and Cal into the foliar schedule. And Mag, Cal, Molasses into the soil drench schedule. Hopefully if it's either of those (or potassium), it'll clear up with time. GOOD LUCK man, and happy growin.
 
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