Need advice and estimate of yield

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DenAnonymeDranker

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@ churchaze
The first argument of any internal discussion should be credibility, if you were locked up in an asylum, you would have to consider the fact you may not be able to rely on your own logic. the fact that i am pretty shure about my abilities within chemistry and biology gives me certainty, that unless i see cold hard evidence, as in a report from a certified institute, such as the hydroponics project at nasa, i do not need to consider changing my parameters.

I have added another picture, unfortunately the frequency of the camera and the lamp messed up. The largest colas are about 7 cm in diameter now.
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churchhaze

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How many days into 12/12 is that? 30? Those buds look like ants from up here in my beanstalks!! lol.

Naw, I'm only joking!

DenAnonymeDranker said:
@ churchaze
The first argument of any internal discussion should be credibility, if you were locked up in an asylum, you would have to consider the fact you may not be able to rely on your own logic. the fact that i am pretty shure about my abilities within chemistry and biology gives me certainty, that unless i see cold hard evidence, as in a report from a certified institute, such as the hydroponics project at nasa, i do not need to consider changing my parameters.

I have added another picture, unfortunately the frequency of the camera and the lamp messed up. The largest colas are about 7 cm in diameter now.
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DenAnonymeDranker

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the angle is pretty bad, i can try to get a closeup with a ruler. They average about 4-5 cm in diameter, and 10-12 cm in length. The largest are 7 cm in diameter, and 15cm in length. they have been into 12/12 for 14 days now.
 
Kite High

Kite High

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Ou8aCracker2 said:
It's called defoliation and it's a good thing when done properly at the proper time of the plants life.

And for a beginner the benchmark is .5 gpw not 1gpw lol,that's what you try to reach after dialing everything else and reaching .5gpw.

Hell 1gpw ain't easy to achieve but alot achieve it (through time,experience,and knowledge) but it ain't easy,otherwise everyone would be hitting 1gpw.There are peeps like Heath Robinson and others getting way more than 1 gpw (try 1.5 to 2 gpw!)

To the OP,get yourself a good 60x-100x scope to check maturation of the trichomes and harvest when they are 100% cloudy/milky or 90% cloudy/miljy 10% amber.

Clear trichomes are immature,cloudy/milky trichomes are fully mature,amber trichomes tell us the plant has reached full maturity and that the thc in said trichome is degrading to CBD.Along with maturation of trichomes,look for swelling of the calyxes and for the hairs to turn a dark rrdfish/orange and receed back into the calyx.
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THC does bot degrade into cbd but rather CBN...yield is directly related to foliage then rootmass....cutting leaves is ridiculous...flowers do not need light leaves do...the flowers barely photosynthesize, hell the stems photo more than the flowers...but rather the leavers produce the sugars and starches that fuel growth and production...removing them lowers the available resources whaich fuels growth and reduces yield....amber is never good and you have passed the window pf peak potency when amber appears...do not care what you think but those are the botanical facts...but triim off all the leaves you want...just do not say it increases yield though as that is impossible...defoliation serves purposes and in different situations may be deemed necessary but not to increase production as it is impossible botanically for it to do so

and gram /watt is a ridiculous measurement as it indicates squat
 
Kite High

Kite High

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DenAnonymeDranker said:
@ churchaze
The first argument of any internal discussion should be credibility, if you were locked up in an asylum, you would have to consider the fact you may not be able to rely on your own logic. the fact that i am pretty shure about my abilities within chemistry and biology gives me certainty, that unless i see cold hard evidence, as in a report from a certified institute, such as the hydroponics project at nasa, i do not need to consider changing my parameters.

I have added another picture, unfortunately the frequency of the camera and the lamp messed up. The largest colas are about 7 cm in diameter now.
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Hey mr. mensa...listen you have alot to learn and when one thinks they know it all they cannot learn...seems a mensa should realize this...I do and I learn something from THE PLANTS everyday
Heres a pic for you
 
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DenAnonymeDranker

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I love the fact that you supported your claim with information, and i now know when to choose the harvesting time better. But budsites need light, and as long the plant still absorbs all possible light, there is no way it isn't photosynthesizing as much co2 and water as before. Have those ladies of yours been into flowers for just 14 days?
 
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churchhaze

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Have fun with your peanut sized buds then.


DenAnonymeDranker said:
I love the fact that you supported your claim with information, and i now know when to choose the harvesting time better. But budsites need light, and as long the plant still absorbs all possible light, there is no way it isn't photosynthesizing as much co2 and water as before. Have those ladies of yours been into flowers for just 14 days?
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Kite High

Kite High

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DenAnonymeDranker said:
I love the fact that you supported your claim with information, and i now know when to choose the harvesting time better. But budsites need light, and as long the plant still absorbs all possible light, there is no way it isn't photosynthesizing as much co2 and water as before. Have those ladies of yours been into flowers for just 14 days?
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5 weeks with 7-8 left to go. Those were sat Dom. The buds are 1-3 foot in length there.

No getting around it. You remove leaves you lose photo synthesizing capacity. Plants won't grow nor keep leaves that they do not benefit from. If it is green and healthy then it is photosynthsizing. If not the PLANT will shed them on its own. If you are removing green leaves then you are reducing its capacity to produce sugars and starches to fuel growth which will diminish not improve yield.
 
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churchhaze

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Reverse lollipopping is the opposite of what you want to do.

If light isn't getting to the lower budsites, you should have fewer lower budsites and more plants with less veg time.

Cutting off the top fan leaves is just about the stupidest thing you can do when growing.

Even the bottom buds on my lollipops that would normally be "popcorn" are nice filled out little buds, even though they're in the shadows.
 
NietzscheKeen

NietzscheKeen

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Ou8aCracker2 said:
Really can you point me in the direction of any completed grow journals of yours?

For someone that grows you got an awfully high post rate especially for a member that joined just joined 2-3 months ago....your daily average posting is 1.65 per day.
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Dude... shut up.

DenAnonymeDranker said:
This is my logic.

1. i know my chemsitry. I'm a GC and mensa member.
2. If there is multiple layers of leaves, there will not be a decrease of photosynthesis when i cut leaves shadowing budsites off, as long as all of the light is absorbed.
3. if budsites dont get enough sunlight, they wont grow. i think the limit is about 8000 lux.

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When you cut off fan leaves, you only redistribute the plants energy from leaves to buds, as long as the plant has sufficient leaves left.
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I'm a Triple Nine Society member... as if that relates to anything.
Question though... how do you redistribute energy from something that has been removed? Is it magic? Cutting off leaves does not trigger the plant to grow bigger buds. It doesn't work that way. Also, have you noticed that leaves are not opaque? Even if a leaf is in the shade it is still getting light. If you put a plant in complete darkness, watch what happens to the leaves. If leaves in the shade weren't getting light... they would do the same thing.
 
Rumple

Rumple

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Yeah, never cut fan leaves (unless you want smaller bud and slow growth). GPW (Grams Per Watt) is a stupid measurement for braggers and leaf smokers.
 
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DenAnonymeDranker

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I don't really understand why anybody is angry? I came for constructive criticism and instead got a shitstorm. Buds need light to develop, i am not saying they need it to photosynthesize. I removed the few fan leafs that was blocking a major cola, i hardly removed more plant material than the plant can grow in a day. You take me for a retard, when i have only asked about two things. And lastly, why would anybody ever feel it was necessary to compare their plants, when they've had more than twice as long flowering time? link how they looked as 14 days flower, it will give a better picture. Instead of trying to impress me with your own plants, please link to more material, the page on thricomes was useful :)
The reason some of the leaves block the colas are because they grow in an unnatural environment. If i grew in adequate room, no cutting would be necessary. As leaves only need 5000 lux to photosynthesize (and therefore not being shed by the plant), but light saturation first occur in excess of 20.000 lux, removing a leaf, and allowing the light to penetrate further into the canopy, doesn't really make a difference (as long as there is other leaves under the first one).

  • If light isn't getting to the lower budsites, you should have fewer lower budsites and more plants with less veg time.
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I agree, but the law wont allow me more plants.
 
Kite High

Kite High

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DenAnonymeDranker said:
I don't really understand why anybody is angry? I came for constructive criticism and instead got a shitstorm. Buds need light to develop, i am not saying they need it to photosynthesize. I removed the few fan leafs that was blocking a major cola, i hardly removed more plant material than the plant can grow in a day. You take me for a retard, when i have only asked about two things. And lastly, why would anybody ever feel it was necessary to compare their plants, when they've had more than twice as long flowering time? link how they looked as 14 days flower, it will give a better picture. Instead of trying to impress me with your own plants, please link to more material, the page on thricomes was useful :)
The reason some of the leaves block the colas are because they grow in an unnatural environment. If i grew in adequate room, no cutting would be necessary. As leaves only need 5000 lux to photosynthesize (and therefore not being shed by the plant), but light saturation first occur in excess of 20.000 lux, removing a leaf, and allowing the light to penetrate further into the canopy, doesn't really make a difference (as long as there is other leaves under the first one).

  • If light isn't getting to the lower budsites, you should have fewer lower budsites and more plants with less veg time.
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I agree, but the law wont allow me more plants.
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ok

2 weeks flower 4 c99 plants


You are wrong about removing leaves and buds needing light...completely wrong...but if you keep your eyes peeled and your mind open you will see your error
 
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DenAnonymeDranker

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That is a pretty solid amount of light. 250 watts is sufficient for my use, although i would like the diversity of a larger grow. How do you get the large pictures?
I have added pictures from a few hours ago, the plants have been 15-16 days into flower now. can't really remember anymore, the date from my first post was when they got out of 3 days darkness to force flowering.

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