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i have nine little ones and i just purchased the general organics go box, 5 are in fox farm soil and 4 are in black gold soil. i have 10 33 watt cfls, temp at 83 the other box is 90, cant seem to get it down even with the fans. i got some super thrive also that i been spraying on the leaves with bioweed and plain water mixed, just a drop of both, seems to be doing well because all brown leaves on #3 turned back green. please take a look and let me know, i have more pics on my profile, i have albums for each plant.

#1, 2 , 6 & 8 are in black gold (BG) soil, the rest are in fox farm (FF). i have to get new soil that's why 6 and 8 are together and 9 is in such a small container. No 1 and 4 worries me the most any advice. i also did a quick flush on # 4 and 5 with some ph water because of the yellow leaves , thought it might be nute burn from the FF soil, was green before what do you think?



NO. 1 BG SOIL
NO. 2 BG SOIL
NO. 3 FF SOIL
NO. 4 FF SOIL
NO. 5 FF SOIL
NO. 6&8 BG SOIL
NO. 7 FF SOIL
NO. 9 FF SOIL

Stop spraying and feeding for now some look like mutants or something is eating the leaves. Some look just fine but I think you may have a critter somewhere.

The first 2-3 weeks with ffof you don't need to be feeding anything. Just pop the seeds in soil and let them go for a while. Then start with a low dose feeding. Less is more especially when young. But they look fine. Just let them grow for a while. Hope it helps..Good luck

Looks like you've got something eating the leaves, as VaporTrail said. Those pictures aren't the result of nute burn or anything like that (although some of your leaves look really dark green, which may be a sign of a bit too much N). Try some neem oil if you're trying to stay organic (though I've yet to find a good organic emulsifier for it).

Good luck and happy growing!

This one IMO is overwatered,let it dryout good before watering.
Like douj,says FFOF is good up to a month.
Beech

You shouldn't be feeding them so soon.. Take it easy and your temps are a concern. 10 cfl's? I understand budgeting but you need a plan for flowering. 10 cfl's aren't going to cut it. You might spend 3 months growing and end up with a quarter dried.

Don't mean to discourage you but it's obvious you care a lot so make a plan and chill out on those nutes bro.

Ideal temps for MJ are between 73-85 imo. Anything above will stunt the growth for sure. Throw some nutes on top of that and it's a recipe for nute lock up and disaster. Hope this helped

All good answers so far. You should get a new light for in there or switch them all to flower now. Those lights would be good for one or two, maybe three smaller plants. Id stop spraying the leaves if your already having leaf issues. Keep it simple for the first go round and then tweek the procedure. My ffof soil is holding up great in veg after two plus months with no nutes yet. Its in a five gallon container though after being transplanted just to clarify. It was in a half gallon to start. Good luck. Work on the watering and stop spraying and they should be fine with a little more light. Remember theyll stretch 2-5x the size when you flip to 12-12, usually around 2-3x though. Good luck

on first few pics it looks like mg deficiencies, does your soil contain mg or do u use any additive?

Ok. So are you feeding these little ladies yet ?: if so STOP!

If your using FF soil like you had said, that stuff has enough nutes in it to run a plant atleast half way through there life cycle..

I had used the FF soil myself, and I stopped using the shit bc I did the same thing bc the lady told me it should be ok, and I took her word for it, and like a dumb ass didn't read on the ingrediants! Lol

I am using my own soil I mix up, comes straingt outta the compost pile, and wormbed..


They eat it up.. You have to be super careful with the "superthrive" aswell!
That is some strong stuff! I use like .5 or 1ml to a gln of ph'd water. Most of the time just .5ml.


Yes. I've herd of mutant plants! Haha..
We had a grower on here a few weeks back "b.meat" and he had alittle mutant. Haha..


On mutant plants, I've found its either due to the genetic make up of the strain/plant, and also it may have something to do with shock aswell.
I've had a few in the yrs of growing.
Hell they had sideways leaves, upside down leavesm twisted leaves, you name it! But I have to say, they sure did produce some fine ass smoke!

I would just slack back on the feeding, (where you have themm in the FF) till you start to note alittle yellowing, then go to "light" feeding to see how the girls will take it. If they do good with it start incresing, but I never go past what is on the directions of the food. Most of the time I stay under what they say. Now on the other hand I've had "nute whores"! That would suck up anything I throw at them! It just really all depends on the plant/strain really. You will learn how to "read" your plants, and know what there asking for after a good while of growing & reading, and help from other growers. Yes, the mutant plants will flower. They may be slow at 1st, then start showing norm signs of growth, or they may just stay like that. Either way they will still produce tree you can toke on..

sealeykb said:

thanks so much for all the advice, i just found out about mutants i had no idea now i see 3 plants are like that with more than 6-8 leaves on each. Is that bad, if i stop the feeding will it be ok, can i still smoke a mutant plant, will it grow ok?"Get more lights" --- i'll try to get better lights for them those cfls get way to hot, don't think they're the right kind even though it says 6500k daylight.where can i buy the right bulbs at an affordable price, and how many for each plant?"on first few pics it looks like mg deficiencies, does your soil contain mg or do u use any additive?" ---i use superthrive but only in the spray bottle with the bio weed like i said, i put a drop of each on the water and sprayed them all but i'll stop now.then i just started using general organics go box but not on the FF soil only on the Black Gold."Ideal temps for MJ are between 73-85 imo. Anything above will stunt the growth for sure." ---i think that's what happened to some, i cant get the temp under 80 unless i have my air condition on, should i take out some of the bulbs?"Looks like you've got something eating the leaves" ---i have never seen any bugs, cant imagine what it could be, freaks me out i cant see them but i know they're there.does neem oil works on all bugs and will i have to find something to wash that off after?And #4 is not over watered i flushed it when i saw the same day i put FF soil it turned yellow so i flushed and today its all green.thanks again guys, really helpful stuff

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For one thing, despite what people say, CFLs can produce a good amount of heat. It sounds like you've already got the right ones, though. For another, I'm using the GO Box, and have for a few plants, and have been really happy. It's really tough to burn (though the ffof is still pretty hot, so back off on them a bit), and you can use full strength without worry. I'm not sure about the superthrive, though -- never used it. As for neem oil, you would just spray it on the leaves, and don't have to worry about washing it off. It's not a pesticide, so it won't kill whatever's there now, but it somehow disrupts the bugs' lifecycle, preventing them from reproducing.

Anyway, it looks like you're on the right track, you just loved them a bit too much (as we all do)! Cheers and happy growing!

sealeykb said:

thanks so much for all the advice, i just found out about mutants i had no idea now i see 3 plants are like that with more than 6-8 leaves on each.
Is that bad, if i stop the feeding will it be ok, can i still smoke a mutant plant, will it grow ok?


"Get more lights" --- i'll try to get better lights for them those cfls get way to hot, don't think they're the right kind even though it says 6500k daylight.
where can i buy the right bulbs at an affordable price, and how many for each plant?

"on first few pics it looks like mg deficiencies, does your soil contain mg or do u use any additive?" ---
i use superthrive but only in the spray bottle with the bio weed like i said, i put a drop of each on the water and sprayed them all but i'll stop now.
then i just started using general organics go box but not on the FF soil only on the Black Gold.

"Ideal temps for MJ are between 73-85 imo. Anything above will stunt the growth for sure." ---
i think that's what happened to some, i cant get the temp under 80 unless i have my air condition on, should i take out some of the bulbs?


"Looks like you've got something eating the leaves" ---
i have never seen any bugs, cant imagine what it could be, freaks me out i cant see them but i know they're there.
does neem oil works on all bugs and will i have to find something to wash that off after?

And #4 is not over watered i flushed it when i saw the same day i put FF soil it turned yellow so i flushed and today its all green.

thanks again guys, really helpful stuff

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Two 42 watt cfls should be good per plant BUT and this is a big BUT, with all those plants you are going to have to flip them to a 12/12 light cycle soon or now because you have so many. If they get much bigger they will be terrible quality because there wont be enough light for all 9 of them to eat.

i dont know what size containers your running but 2-3 gallon is like the smallest you should be running with soil. Hydros different.

higher temps will increase stretch during flower and can lead to fluffy or airy buds. Run your ac during flower if you have to, i find it gives better tricomb production in late flower to have temps down.

over watering is the most common cause of stunted growth. Your container should feel light when you pick it up. Thats when you should be watering. Also the plant will tell you when its thirsty. Next time you see that it needs water, look at it. The leaves will start to sag. An hour or so after you water them look again. The leaves will have turned up tward the sky once again and look strong. Another method is just to poke your finger into the dirt. If its damp its still good, almost bone dry and its time to water. Theres no real need to flush at that age unless youve been feeding which they dont need yet. Flushing helps to remove unwanted salt build up. You have to add lots of salts (nutes) in order to need to flush them out. Its actually called leaching. If your plant was turning yellow and you flushed it that makes no sence. Yellowing means lack of N and your flush could only have flushed N out of the container right?

I kind of think by yellowing she meant yellowing tips of leaves which indicates overfert, cause she's using quite hot soil huh? could she be having N def at this early age anyway?

Also sealeykb, another picture you uploaded, looks like your plant is really having some mg deficiency.. https://www.rollitup.org/members/sealeykb-617608/albums/ff-5-31197/2713585-brown-spots/
I am not familiar with the food you have, since I've never heard of those products. Names on the bottles it does not say a lot about macros and micros contained in there

And yeah cfls without a fan can cause some heat problems, since you need to keep them like 1-3inches from plant..

That's what I had thought aswell. There needing alittle tad of cal-mag looks like doesn't it ?:
Also, she just planted in the FF soil, that stuff is pretty hot! I would wait to see what happens after dosing with the cal-mag, then if still yellowing I would dose with a small amount of nitrogen. But I would want to make damn sure all of the nutrients was almost or out of that FF b4 doing so.. or it will burn those babies up.. I had a bad experiance with that damn FF! That was the last damn time I used it to!

Oh hey bro, I did a update I would like it if you could drop by & take a gander.. last pg.. thanks, Dank..

simisimis said:

I kind of think by yellowing she meant yellowing tips of leaves which indicates overfert, cause she's using quite hot soil huh? could she be having N def at this early age anyway?

Also sealeykb, another picture you uploaded, looks like your plant is really having some mg deficiency.. https://www.rollitup.org/members/sealeykb-617608/albums/ff-5-31197/2713585-brown-spots/
I am not familiar with the food you have, since I've never heard of those products. Names on the bottles it does not say a lot about macros and micros contained in there

And yeah cfls without a fan can cause some heat problems, since you need to keep them like 1-3inches from plant..

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agree, and i checked ur update alr i really have nothing to do at work but browse riu haha

simisimis said:

agree, and i checked ur update alr i really have nothing to do at work but browse riu haha

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I know! Lol.. haha.. you where on my thread while I was posting over here asking ya to check them out! Lol

"If your plant was turning yellow and you flushed it that makes no sense. Yellowing means lack of N and your flush could only have flushed N out of the container right?" I don't think so, what happened was i had them in another soil that i feed nuts to, when i switched to the FF it started turning yellow real quick, so i flushed it and she's been looking great, lush and green, so i think it worked,I don't feed the FF soils with nutes yet never have, i only feed the Black gold which are the two biggest ones once a week.


"Two 42 watt cfls should be good per plant BUT and this is a big BUT, with all those plants you are going to have to flip them to a 12/12 light cycle soon" I only have two out of the nine that are good height to start flowering, the others are way to small, i have 2 different spaces, i just switched the two biggest by themselves and put them under 4, 33 watt cfl (warm white and cool white mixed plant #1 and #2)


"Two 42 watt cfls should be good per plant" How about for my #1 and #2 i have 2, 33 watt cool white and 2, 60 watt replacement warm white and one 23 watt t5 bulb from my fish tank, i got a plant bulb in it from the store.


"I kind of think by yellowing she meant yellowing tips of leaves which indicates overfert, cause she's using quite hot soil huh? could she be having N def at this early age anyway?" yes it was way to hot, i don't feed the FF soils i read up about that before i bought it
"Also sealeykb, another picture you uploaded, looks like your plant is really having some mg deficiency" yes i think so thats the one that was in some regular soil no nutes before i put it in FF and its been looking great,all spots gone now


"There needing a little tad of cal-mag looks like doesn't it

?" My go box Includes: 16oz BioThrive Grow / 16oz BioThrive Bloom / 8oz CaMg+ / 8oz BioRoot / 8oz BioWeed, 8oz BioBud / 8oz BioMarine / 8oz Diamond Black i used some CaMg i wont start feed FF soil until end of July if all goes well might be longer.
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I'm not sure if my babies are male or not gonna try and get a good pic of the center for you.


I also saw a little yellow orange looking bug on my plants cant be sure because when i got close it dropped off the leaf into the soil, i purchased some neem oil it'll be here in a week, any advice when and how to use it, i have little bites on the leaves but i never see bugs only today and i'm not sure. what do you think better safe than sorry? plant #1 "wolverine"

Jus Naturale said:

For one thing, despite what people say, CFLs can produce a good amount of heat. It sounds like you've already got the right ones, though. For another, I'm using the GO Box, and have for a few plants, and have been really happy. It's really tough to burn (though the ffof is still pretty hot, so back off on them a bit), and you can use full strength without worry. I'm not sure about the superthrive, though -- never used it. As for neem oil, you would just spray it on the leaves, and don't have to worry about washing it off. It's not a pesticide, so it won't kill whatever's there now, but it somehow disrupts the bugs' lifecycle, preventing them from reproducing.

Anyway, it looks like you're on the right track, you just loved them a bit too much (as we all do)! Cheers and happy growing!

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mine get really hot i cant keep the temp down at all, goes from 81 to 98 sometimes, it stays at 85 most of the day but it goes up and down, i have a fan in there but still nothing and when the lights are off should i keep the fan on, its in a cupboard area kind of

Keep the fan on if you can. If you can, also keep the cupboard door open to allow fresh air flow. I'm battling temps now, too, as this is my first summer growing, so I can totally commiserate. Btw, I've also found it necessary to water more frequently. Several good sprays with the squirt bottle seem to do well enough, but the additional spritzing keeps the soil from getting too dry between feedings.

Cheers and happy growing!