Need Help with a Light

Dr.Amber Trichome

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I need a small, very small flowering light for the inside of my phototron. here is a picture of the light I am currently using. My plant is getting very close to it and I would like to replace it with a smaller one. any suggestions??.. Thank you:joint::hump:
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IAm5toned

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why dont you tilt that lamp, 90 deg horizontal......

just sayin.

less light, is NOT going to help your plant, lol...
 

JLStiffy

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Hi,
Hate to say it but thats the cheapest and basically the weekest bulb! Not much luck for yea unless you flower a clone in that thing!!!
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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cfls run cool but couldnt tell by the pic but if your not flowering that girl could doubble in size
I am 2 weeks into my flowering, but I am concerned about her growth, shes going fcking crazy in there! I actually grew 2 plants in there last time and got a HUGE yield, but it was a bloody cluster fck. and the SLH was suffering poorly, Lots of problems with that grow, this one is actually is so healthy its scary. I just hopes she decides to stop getting any taller, thanks for the reply
Hi,
Hate to say it but thats the cheapest and basically the weekest bulb! Not much luck for yea unless you flower a clone in that thing!!!
Im not sure what you mean by thats the cheapest bulb? Are you talking about the one presently in my phototron? And if so, what would you recommend? thanks
 

JLStiffy

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Hi,
sorry for being unclear, when i mean the cheapest, your kinda whooped. Hey, I looked at the photo again! Sorry I made a mistake! Those are t5 running up and down the side. 65watts per two bars (one unit with 4 strait pin)? And you have several 2 bars 65watt in their along with a 35watt CLF up top?? Honestly, You can't do anything really. Your under low pressure lighting. Good investment on the T5 but maybe you have to turn that top CFL off until three weeks into flowering and flower sooner than later (dont veg as long)
Here is a VERY efficient way to slow the growth down for next time. Make sure your plant root bounds hard. If you normal flower in a two gallon pot. Keep it in a 4 inch potter for veg and than transplant when you go into flower, It will double in volume but not in height!!!!! I bet that would solve all the problems.
For your lighting, I dont think you can do anything about that!! You dont want any less thats the problem. I would recommend what you have in their, its low wattage and little heat and low pressure lighting!
What do you think?
 

jdizzle22

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I remember back in the day when I thought about getting such a device to grow in... You might do well with a smaller LED in there
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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Hi,
sorry for being unclear, when i mean the cheapest, your kinda whooped. Hey, I looked at the photo again! Sorry I made a mistake! Those are t5 running up and down the side. 65watts per two bars (one unit with 4 strait pin)? And you have several 2 bars 65watt in their along with a 35watt CLF up top?? Honestly, You can't do anything really. Your under low pressure lighting. Good investment on the T5 but maybe you have to turn that top CFL off until three weeks into flowering and flower sooner than later (dont veg as long)
Here is a VERY efficient way to slow the growth down for next time. Make sure your plant root bounds hard. If you normal flower in a two gallon pot. Keep it in a 4 inch potter for veg and than transplant when you go into flower, It will double in volume but not in height!!!!! I bet that would solve all the problems.
For your lighting, I dont think you can do anything about that!! You dont want any less thats the problem. I would recommend what you have in their, its low wattage and little heat and low pressure lighting!
What do you think?
Thanks for your time explaining the benefits and such about my phototron system.
I just wanted to clarify a few things with you, for future grows....

Do you suggest when I begin flowering do not hang a flowering bulb to begin with but wait a few weeks into flowering and then hang it up?
I wanted to let you know that I had her in veg for 4 weeks until she got 12 inches high,like Jeorge Cervantes said to do. Then I put her in 12/12... Do you suggest maybe flowering next time at 2 weeks when she is perhaps 6 inches tall?

I planted her directly in the phototron so never transplanted her at all. Do you suggest germinating her in a small cup, root bounding her hard and then transplanting her into the phototron next time? Will that make her grow less tall? Her internodal lenght is now beginning to shorten, thank god, cause theres not much more room to the top.

I know I have lots of questions so sorry if this is overwhelming... Thanks again for you input.

Ohh one other thing... I havent pruned a singles leaf... what are your thoughts on that... ?
Peace, Amber
 

JLStiffy

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Hi
No problem with the questions!
For your first question, you asked about hanging the flowering bulb. When you say flowering bulb, are you referring to the bulb that is hung right on top of your phototron? If so, than absolutely! Wait until your a week or two into flower! Again, this depends on how tall you flower your little girl. IF, you flower her right away with very little veg, than it will be an expirement, either to use the flower bulb right from beginning or await a week. Remember that your plant will grow 30%-50% in volume in the first two weeks and contiune to grow for another week but slowly. Now here is the big secret! Because this growth is massivly introduced due to chemicals reaction in the plant, heat in the grow room will play a large factor in intro-node spacing. So your plant is going very fast due to the introduced flowering and because of the natural course for being photosynthetic. Because of this rapid growth, your plant can easily be offset with heat, therefor, large intro-node spacing.

For your next questions, again my opinion. When someone writes a book, they right the book for the general and they do so understanding that there is a audience reading, they speck very generalized and govern their personal opinions somewhat. Most people will agree to veg for four weeks so they can get 12-18 inch's of height before flowering. Well alot of people still veg with metal halides with that in mind you have to veg for that long to get any good height of your plant. Today you can use a good HPS bulb by hortilux and cut veg time-big time. On the other hand, If you are starting from seed, you will need a few weeks to show maturity before flowering. From clone you can flower after transplant shock. Feel free to flower your little girl after she shows signs of maturity; you can do so by those little white pistils that show up around the intro-node spacings; look for two of them in one location. After a week weeks they will appear! Six inch tall seems to me pretty short. 12 inchs sounds much better. BUT, that's because I have a 8 1/2 foot ceiling to work with. How much height do you have to work with? IF you have three feet, I would flower at 12 inchs-safely!

If you were to transplant or to root bound her in a small cup maybe veg her til she is 12 inchs tall and than transplant in your phototon. After a few days of transplanting I would introduce flowering. But the next thing to consider is, do you turn on your flower bulb or not? Well if she is really root bound turn your flower bulb on right away during week one flower, or wait till one week in flower to play safe. Remember you can tell how well she is root bound by how her volume is to her container and by her rate of growth; Be-leave me, is not just when their are roots coiling around the bottom of your pot. If she is root bound, she will grow less tall in flower because during the time she does her 30-50% growth in volume, your plant has slowed her self down already and will continue to grow slow until about one week after transplanting. She will be stunted but she will pick up vigor again but it takes a little time- most likely two weeks into flower.

I am a big fan of pruning leaves but only when I am a few weeks into flower. I do this because it helps me water, keeps things organized, allows me to inspect each plant better, or at least once in flower. But most importantly it helps to divert energy from the plant into the rest of the plant. But in your case, you have your T5 bubls running right to the bottom of your plant. If, you do prune do it lightly because the bottom of your plant is getting light. I am sure u will get a really good understanding after this round of flowering your in right now. Look for fluffy buds that will or wil not develop. If they wont develop, feel free to cut that branch off!

Any other questions? Just feel free to ask, anything about nutrients, ph? medium?
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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Wow, thanks again for taking time out to explain some techniques to me.
I have some more images I will be adding to my Grow Journal, "Super Lemon Haze in Phototron" which has written details. Or im my profile journal, images only.
This is the second grow in my phototron. The first time I grew 2 plants in there, and I made a lot of mistakes, with nutrietns and over pruning.
In the end, to my disbelief, I had a substantial yield of very good weed. Through my learning, i decieded to grow one plant and not prune at all. I guess I am still experiementing. I did not realize how tall my super lemon haze wants to grow. Her internodal lenght is about 3 inches and she is just about to the top of my phototron which is about 4 feet tall. She has been in the flowering stage now for just about 4 weeks.
I have been training her leaves and branches to keep her away from the lights. One of her top colas I have trained to grow sideways. This will be a very interesting grow because I might have to train the top colas to grow DOWN!!!
Have you ever heard of a nutrient that slows internodal lenght called Bush Master by Humboldts Own? I am concidering purchasing that for my next grow.
Peace , Amber
 

JLStiffy

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Hi,
Yea I have heard of the product. I have never used it and I have heard a few people who hire a new grower its seems like every year, one person used it. I dont know if it helped or not, kinda hard to measure I guess since every grow seems to be a little different. The strain you chose is great in smoke I hear but the haze side does get taller. Thats funny you have to train downwards. Honestly, when alot of people buy small grow units or even tents they always seem to have to tweek and fuck with alot to figure it out because they are never as good as it seems when you dont own one! It does seem that you are getting the swing off it!!
Best of luck with the grow! Ill add as friend and keep in touch with the pics! Anything else feel free to ask, ill see what I can dig up with local growers and friends.
 
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