Need Help with Yields

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Kronickeeper

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The nutrients in ocean forest last about a month so you don't need to add nutrient through most of veg. You definitely need to add nutrients toward the end of veg and for flowering you can complete a grow strictly on the ocean forest soil but your yields won't be good I would suggest botanicare nutes they are user friendly just do half of what ever the bottle suggest and bump up slowly from there until u get the feel for what your strain needs
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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You can start seed right in final pot but if you up size right it is faster growth and a more complex root zone.

The OP has a number of issues causing the low yield. As someone who has used FFOF quite a bit in the past I know that after three good weeks of steady growth the soil runs out of juice. There is no way OP's plants were still green and lush after 6 weeks veg and 8-9 weeks flower, even with an up potting. Without pictures though it is pointless to try to remedy OP's issues, imo.
 
jonnyquest

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10 grams of bud off of a plant that was vegged for 2 months and flowered all.the way with a 400w hps. the plants must have looked absolutely fucked
 
genna_mj

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jonnyquest said:
10 grams of bud off of a plant that was vegged for 2 months and flowered all.the way with a 400w hps. the plants must have looked absolutely fucked
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They really didn't' and I did get a half oz. off of one of them. It was more just an overall lack of yield. But otherwise they stayed green and healthy until the last 3 weeks or so right before harvest.
 
genna_mj

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thenotsoesoteric said:
You can start seed right in final pot but if you up size right it is faster growth and a more complex root zone.

The OP has a number of issues causing the low yield. As someone who has used FFOF quite a bit in the past I know that after three good weeks of steady growth the soil runs out of juice. There is no way OP's plants were still green and lush after 6 weeks veg and 8-9 weeks flower, even with an up potting. Without pictures though it is pointless to try to remedy OP's issues, imo.
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I posted one pic a little ways up of a current leaf issue I'm having on my two younger plants (6 weeks of veg just about, 3 weeks of nutes) that I'm thinking is a cal-mag issue and I dosed everyone with lime today. Otherwise my other 3 plants that went into flower 2 weeks ago are green and healthy. No issues.They had an up-pot 2 weeks ago and they are still using up the nutes from that and I'm starting nutes this week on them on the bloom side of things. As they have started showing their hairs.
 
genna_mj

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Now in retrospect I think my leaf dis- coloring is a PH issue. I wasn't ph'ing the water after my nutes were mixed in. I've corrected that now. I'll see if that helps
 
TacoMac

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genna_mj said:
Did you see my leaf pic? Do you think it could be anything else?
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It's not a very good picture of the whole plant, but from what I see in the picture, you have a lot of lower leaves turning yellow and you have light green patches on newer leaves. If that's the actual case, it screams out nitrogen deficiency.
 
genna_mj

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TacoMac said:
It's not a very good picture of the whole plant, but from what I see in the picture, you have a lot of lower leaves turning yellow and you have light green patches on newer leaves. If that's the actual case, it screams out nitrogen deficiency.
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I'm giving it fox farm big bloom pretty close to full strength once a week. I'll try and do more the next dose
 
TacoMac

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Wrong stuff. Big Bloom has pretty much zero nitrogen in it. That plant looks like it never got much nitrogen during the veg phase and that's carried over now that you're trying to flower it.
 
genna_mj

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TacoMac said:
Wrong stuff. Big Bloom has pretty much zero nitrogen in it. That plant looks like it never got much nitrogen during the veg phase and that's carried over now that you're trying to flower it.
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This plant is still in veg 5-6 weeks in. And it's the nitrogen heavy first part of the FF trio.
 
TacoMac

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Big Bloom is used for flowering stage ONLY. It has a 0 - 0.5 - 0.7 ratio. It literally has no nitrogen in it at all.

Look, with all due respect, if you're not sure which one you're even using, you need to go back and double check everything you did. You said Big Bloom. That's completely wrong for veg stage, and if that is in fact what you were using this whole time, it would explain everything that has gone wrong with your grow so far.

Double check and see EXACTLY which one you have been using.
 
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genna_mj

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Wow. You are absolutely right. I just looked at all three products and then their ratios and that schedule that fox farm puts out is incredibly deceiving. It's "grow big" which contains the most nitrogen. They start you out with "big bloom" as a sort of steady all along nutrient but it's grow big that's higher in nitrogen and def what I should be using at this point. They got just a tablespoon of that this week for the first time. I think big bloom seems totally useless now that I see the ratios. I swear I'm not usually this dumb! Just overwhelmed. I'll be dosing with more grow big tonight.
 
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Kronickeeper

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genna_mj said:
Wow. You are absolutely right. I just looked at all three products and then their ratios and that schedule that fox farm puts out is incredibly deceiving. It's "grow big" which contains the most nitrogen. They start you out with "big bloom" as a sort of steady all along nutrient but it's grow big that's higher in nitrogen and def what I should be using at this point. They got just a tablespoon of that this week for the first time. I think big bloom seems totally useless now that I see the ratios. I swear I'm not usually this dumb! Just overwhelmed. I'll be dosing with more grow big tonight.
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I would definitely check out botanicals line of nutrients they are pretty user friendly, and they can be used in any growing medium as well. So if you go from soil, to coco, or hydro, you won't have to invest in separate nutrients.
 
TacoMac

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genna_mj said:
Wow. You are absolutely right. I just looked at all three products and then their ratios and that schedule that fox farm puts out is incredibly deceiving. It's "grow big" which contains the most nitrogen. They start you out with "big bloom" as a sort of steady all along nutrient but it's grow big that's higher in nitrogen and def what I should be using at this point. They got just a tablespoon of that this week for the first time. I think big bloom seems totally useless now that I see the ratios. I swear I'm not usually this dumb! Just overwhelmed. I'll be dosing with more grow big tonight.
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You're NOT dumb. You're inexperienced. Now you have experience and have learned a valuable lesson. That is what makes us better in every way: recognizing a mistake, learning from it, and moving forward with what we've learned.

Never, ever say you're dumb again. Ever.
 
genna_mj

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Here's how things are looking currently. I have 3 plants in flowering at 2 weeks and 3 weeks respectively which didn't get any nutes until flowering because of my past mistakes. They are nitrogen heavy right now because of my up-potting right before flower but have started lightening up. Also there is some "claw" from the up-potting.The one in the back is a week ahead in stretch so that's why it's taller

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Then I have two in veg right now around 5 weeks old. They had a nitrogen deficiency but are on their second dose of nitrogen heavy nutes.

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